America under President Trump

[Derek 2.0]

Just now, BubberMiley said:

Again, he's not saying he doesn't know if Russia did it. He's saying he doesn't believe Russia did it, even though he says there is no way of knowing who did it. He's acting like Putin's defence attorney and trying to create plausible deniability among those who don't know any better. But it's also ridiculous to say there is no way of knowing such things. His (and your) expertise in the cyber is showing through.

 

His own words:

 

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But if you read the stories, the various stories, they're disputing.  And certain groups don't necessarily agree.  Personally, it could be Russia.  It -- I don't really think it is.  But who knows?  I don't know either.  They don't know and I don't know. 

 

[DogOnPorch]

Misquoting Trump is getting to be a major industry.

[BubberMiley]

5 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

His own words:

 

 

So what is the basis of his disbelief? Because he doesn't understand how computers work?

[BubberMiley]

6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Misquoting Trump is getting to be a major industry.

Where did I misquote him?

[?Impact]

13 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Misquoting Trump is getting to be a major industry.

The largest player in that industry is Twump himself.

[Derek 2.0]

12 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Misquoting Trump is getting to be a major industry.

 

Exactly.........

 

6 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

So what is the basis of his disbelief? Because he doesn't understand how computers work?

 

I'm not sure, I would assume his advisers with an intelligence background.

[Argus]

23 hours ago, Mailman said:

Memory refresh; a huge chunk of dictators, especially in the Middle East were put in place and supported by Western powers. When they are no longer needed or suit our purpose, we dispose of them.

In what way is that relevant other than for you to vent your leftist splean at the evils of the capitalist west? Just as many of those dictators were put in place by the Soviets, and supported by them. Others are home-grown. None of it is relevant to a discussion of US/Russia relations today.

 

23 hours ago, Mailman said:

An exception is Russia. So because they don't or won't cater to our needs, we see them as a threat. Ironic, isn't it?

Cater to our needs? You mean by, like, not sending their army across the borders to attack neighbouring countries?

An interesting read on the subject of Putin and Trump in Bloomberg contained a handy assessment of the problem.

President-elect Donald Trump is correct that he has a huge opportunity to improve relations with Russia. Under President Obama, they have soured to the point where Russia interfered in the presidential election and Russian jets routinely buzz U.S. Navy ships. Americans’ feelings toward Russia are the coldest in 30 years, according to a survey by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. Trump could change all that by concluding a deal that committed Russia to stopping cyberwarfare, cooperating on fighting ISIS, getting tougher on Iran over its nuclear weapons program, and ending the deployment of intermediate-range nuclear missiles that threaten Europe.

In business terminology, a deal that met U.S. objectives such as those, in return for the lifting of sanctions on Russia and other concessions, would be a win-win. It would be a natural culmination of Trump’s extensive dealings with wealthy Russians as investors and customers. “The Russian market is attracted to me,” he once said.

The obstacle is Vladimir Putin. Trump may be showering praise on Russia’s president now, but he’ll discover in office that Putin doesn’t view the world in the same transactional, let’s-get-this-done way. Take it from Sergey Aleksashenko, who was deputy chairman of the Central Bank of Russia in the late 1990s when Putin was director of the Federal Security Service, which replaced the KGB. Putin, he says, isn’t a win-win guy. More of a win-lose guy, actually.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-05/trump-needs-a-win-win-deal-putin-is-a-win-lose-guy

 

[BubberMiley]

7 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

I'm not sure, I would assume his advisers with an intelligence background.

So you just take his denial that anyone could know anything at his word? Despite the intelligence community and much of his own party saying otherwise? That's some loyalty Trump would appreciate.

[Derek 2.0]

1 minute ago, BubberMiley said:

So you just take his denial that anyone could know anything at his word? Despite the intelligence community and much of his own party saying otherwise? That's some loyalty Trump would appreciate.

 

More hyperbole, as there is no evidence of consensus of opinion among the  "intelligence community and his own party"..........it has nothing to do with loyalty, but more pragmatism...........

 

As asked pages ago..............why does Putin want a Trump administration? You stated Trump will do Putin's bidding, despite not knowing what that is exactly.......

[DogOnPorch]

Trump will do Putin's bidding...lol. Putin will probably wake-up one morning and find Saint Basil's is now a Trump Casino.

[-TSS-]

I guess it is no longer possible to pull any stunt to stop him from becoming President like there was a couple of weeks ago when the electors convened.

However, I'm still convinced that he won't get far being President before he is deposed by some way. I don't beleive they are trying to kill him, that would be too obvious, but some overwhelming scandal may force him out.

Given that he is a former businessman there is bound to be a lot of things in his past which can be used against him. Hillary's camapign-team just didnt dig hard enough during the campaign.

 

[sharkman]

Obama did Putin's bidding for most of his time in office.  So I can understand how the lefties would assume things would continue down the same path, but they would be wrong.

 

Edited January 5, 2017 by sharkman

[BubberMiley]

5 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Obama did Putin's bidding for most of his time in office.  So I can understand how the lefties would assume things would continue down the same path, but they would be wrong.

 

What are you talking about? Do you even follow the news? How did Obama do Putin's bidding? You do know about the sanctions don't you? Is this just another right-wing projection fantasy, like when you tried to distract from Trump's sniffles by accusing Hillary of being a drug addict?

[betsy]

1 hour ago, BubberMiley said:

So what is the basis of his disbelief? Because he doesn't understand how computers work?

 

Maybe because Intelligence is "different" now, thanks to Obama?

 

 

 

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How Mike Flynn Became America’s Angriest General

 

He was one of the most respected intelligence officers of his generation.

 

During the ceremony, Flynn would be extolled by Admiral Mike Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, as “the best intelligence officer of the past 20 years.”

But given the nature of the intelligence business that united them, many of the attendees also knew that Flynn’s retirement at age 56 was premature. A well-known maverick, Flynn had been asked to “shake things up” at the 17,000-person agency. He brought a more wartime mind-set and ethos to a sleepy Washington bureaucracy, until the bureaucracy pushed back and Flynn’s gung-ho style was deemed too “disruptive” for an administration determined to put the unpleasant memories of Iraq and Afghanistan in the rearview mirror.

Flynn admitted to feeling like a lone voice inside an Obama administration that seemed to believe that the 2011 death of Osama bin Laden had signaled the end of radical Islamist terrorism as a seminal threat. Just months earlier, President Barack Obama had referred to the ascendant Islamic State group, also known as ISIS or ISIL, as a “JV,” or junior varsity, team of terror.

One other senior commander had been scheduled to speak at Flynn’s retirement ceremony but canceled at the last minute: General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Later that same day, August 7, 2014, the reason for Dempsey’s absence became clear. Obama announced that U.S. warplanes had begun bombing ISIS targets, and U.S. troops would soon be dispatched back to Iraq.

So Flynn had been right all along: The global war against radical Islamist terrorists was far from over.

 

In interviews, Flynn admits he and Trump don't agree on everything, but he remains unapologetic in his service to the candidate. “To my old colleagues who disagree with my speaking out, my question to them is: ‘When did we stop being American citizens?’”

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/how-mike-flynn-became-americas-angriest-general-214362

 

The article above is long.  It also explained about McChrystal, who was also relieved of his command by Obama. It narrates the intrigues that we don't hear about.

 

 

If you're going to get rid of Intelligence officers that don't agree with you, where's the credibility of Intelligence? 

 

See?  Obama ended up wrong!

 

Boy, I bet there'll be a major shake-up in all these departments when Trump becomes the Prez.. 

Edited January 5, 2017 by betsy

[?Impact]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

Trump will do Putin's bidding...lol. Putin will probably wake-up one morning and find Saint Basil's is now a Trump Casino.

Turning Red Square into a bankrupt wasteland, one historical building at a time.

On a practical note, the cathedral itself would probably not serve well as a casino due to limited interior space because of the thick stone construction. It would however serve as an excellent attraction associated with a casino like modern Las Vegas (Sphinx, Eiffel Tower, Statue of Liberty, etc.). 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, sharkman said:

Obama did Putin's bidding for most of his time in office.  So I can understand how the lefties would assume things would continue down the same path, but they would be wrong.

 

 

Touche !   Their desperation and depression after Trump's defeat of Clinton is manifesting itself in so many ways...remarkable.  

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

Turning Red Square into a bankrupt wasteland, one historical building at a time.

 

Actually, Trump's name rides high above Canada's largest cities while efforts to build a hotel in Moscow failed. 

President Trump won't be building any hotels or casinos, but his family might.

[BubberMiley]

3 hours ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

More hyperbole, as there is no evidence of consensus of opinion among the  "intelligence community and his own party"..........it has nothing to do with loyalty, but more pragmatism...........

 

As asked pages ago..............why does Putin want a Trump administration? You stated Trump will do Putin's bidding, despite not knowing what that is exactly.......

There is evidence of a consensus of opinion among the NSA, the FBI and the CIA. Their joint report is coming out soon and they have already indicated it leaves no question about Russia's involvement. But Trump says Barron is good with cyber and they can't know anything, so you do have that argument to back you up.

My guess as to why Putin wants a Trump administration is that the billions in debt Trump failed to declare during the election campaign includes considerable debt to Russia. They used that as an opportunity to make him a puppet. Watch the sanctions disappear soon after he takes office, for starters.

[WestCoastRunner]

Just as we feared. The GOP is moving forward to defund planned parenthood. I wonder if those who voted for trump realize they use the health care services provided by them as much as any other woman. America is moving backwards. I can see a big fight ahead. 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Just as we feared. The GOP is moving forward to defund planned parenthood. I wonder if those who voted for trump realize they use the health care services provided by them as much as any other woman. America is moving backwards. I can see a big fight ahead. 

 

Good...there should be no special government funding for Planned Parenthood and the abortionists.   If the matter is about "reproductive" health care, then seek such services through existing health care providers.  

Edited January 6, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[?Impact]

52 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Just as we feared. The GOP is moving forward to defund planned parenthood.

The regressive cave men have 2 years to Make America a Laughing Stock, unless of course an armed revolt occurs first.

[Derek 2.0]

2 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

There is evidence of a consensus of opinion among the NSA, the FBI and the CIA.

 

Among the entire agencies? Or just the political heads of the departments?

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

The regressive cave men have 2 years to Make America a Laughing Stock, unless of course an armed revolt occurs first.

 

That's OK...at least it won't be Canadian sycophants trying to influence a Trump America.

[Derek 2.0]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

The regressive cave men have 2 years to Make America a Laughing Stock, unless of course an armed revolt occurs first.

 

 

You understand those best positioned to carry out such a revolt voted for Trump right? 

[?Impact]

6 minutes ago, Derek 2.0 said:

You understand those best positioned to carry out such a revolt voted for Trump right? 

The old white southerner, interesting that they were once Democrats. While Republicans are twice a likely to be gun owners as Democrats that still leaves a lot of armed Democrats.