America under President Trump

[-TSS-]

Even though some people say that this crisis has all the similarities to Watergate but I don't think Trump will be ousted or forced to resign. He will carry on through his term but most definitely he will be convinced in 2020 that looking for a re-election is not a good idea.

Besides, by that time he could himself be fed up with the job. After all, by getting elected he already proved that he can do anything he wishes.

[OftenWrong]

55 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

most definitely he will be convinced in 2020 that looking for a re-election is not a good idea.

Nothing is most definitely. If Donald Trump looks like the best candidate for winning the election, he's the man.
Make no mistake, there's a lot more real work going on for a president than the juvenile garbage we hear liberals ranting about in the media. Those are merely talking points to disturbed liberal minds.

[Queenmandy85]

The last time I was right in a prediction was when I got 10 - 1 odds on Cassius Clay to beat Sonny Liston in their first fight. That being said, if I were a strategist for the Democrats, I would make sure President Trump remained in office until 2020. To try for an impeachment would galvanize his base and lend credence to the argument that the Dem.'s are only interested in reversing the 2016 election. The best strategy would be to focus on providing good government. The advantage is it would allow Mr. Trump to gather enough rope to hang himself and more importantly, it would keep Vice President Pence out of the Whitehouse. 

[Wilber]

If you are looking for impeachment you need to look to the Republicans because it can happen unless enough of them support it. Democrats may actually want Trump to stay in power until 2018 because his continual gong show could well deliver them the Senate and possibly the House. Circus Trump may get a free ride for another year and a half  because of both parties putting partisan politics ahead of their country.

[bush_cheney2004]

The Democratic party was in deep trouble long before Trump was elected president.  

The best thing that happened for them was the XXII Amendment, which prevented President Obama from seeking another seat bleeding term for the Democrats.

Trump is just another symptom of how low and leaderless the party has sunk.

[Omni]

55 minutes ago, Wilber said:

If you are looking for impeachment you need to look to the Republicans because it can happen unless enough of them support it. Democrats may actually want Trump to stay in power until 2018 because his continual gong show could well deliver them the Senate and possibly the House. Circus Trump may get a free ride for another year and a half  because of both parties putting partisan politics ahead of their country.

And of course the flip side to that is that the Repubs. may want to get rid of him so they can hold onto power in both houses. As this article suggests they could actually be even more worried about 2020.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/the-politics-of-impeachment-come-into-play-in-trumps-d-c.html

[Hal 9000]

2 hours ago, Omni said:

And of course the flip side to that is that the Repubs. may want to get rid of him so they can hold onto power in both houses. As this article suggests they could actually be even more worried about 2020.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/the-politics-of-impeachment-come-into-play-in-trumps-d-c.html

Wasn't this argument already made...and solved on Nov.8? 

[taxme]

23 hours ago, Wilber said:

Hate to tell you but even if they are still on a voters list, dead people can't vote. It's physically impossible, they're dead. Hell, 45% of live people on the voters list didn't vote.

They use dead peoples names. 

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

They use dead peoples names. 

 

True dat....

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/investigation-launched-after-dead-people-are-registered-to-vote-in/article_e008ce00-0365-57a2-95c0-4d9aa70012f9.html

[Queenmandy85]

38 minutes ago, taxme said:

They use dead peoples names. 

But that would be cheating. Which party did they vote for?

[taxme]

30 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

True dat....

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/investigation-launched-after-dead-people-are-registered-to-vote-in/article_e008ce00-0365-57a2-95c0-4d9aa70012f9.html

Thanks for posting that story. 

[taxme]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

But that would be cheating. Which party did they vote for?

Democrats, who else. They cheat all the time. The democrats are so corrupt, and caught up in so much bull crap, that it is going to take years for Trump to clean out the swamp that they have created for America and Americans for the past eight years, and not to forget the rest of the world also.  

[Queenmandy85]

Taxme, are you sure you are really a Vancouverite? In the 1970's, I might have had you pegged as being from Surrey, the Fresno of the north, home of the Vanderzam. ;-)

[Omni]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

True dat....

http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/investigation-launched-after-dead-people-are-registered-to-vote-in/article_e008ce00-0365-57a2-95c0-4d9aa70012f9.html

18-20 allegations, ha ha ha. What happened to the nonsense that that's what caused Donald to lose the pop. vote.? 

[Omni]

2 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

Wasn't this argument already made...and solved on Nov.8? 

Trump keeps on doing more and more things that could lead to him being shown the door. 

[kimmy]

On 5/12/2017 at 9:35 AM, Hal 9000 said:

As for asking Comey if he was under investigation, Trump probably wanted to make sure that he wasn't firing a person investigating him.  He likely wanted to make sure that there was nothing between them that would look inappropriate.  Had Comey said yes, he might still be employed. 

Haha  suuuuure.  The firing had nothing at all to do with the Russia probe!  Nothing to do with the subpoenas issued to Michael Flynn a few hours earlier, nothing to do with Comey's promise of grave consequences who leaked info to anyone who leaked information to Rudy Giuliani during the campaign, nothing to do with anything like that! He was no doubt just angry that Comey was mean to Hillary during the election, like he said. Why would anybody believe otherwise!

On 5/12/2017 at 9:45 AM, Hal 9000 said:

...Oh, and when the FBI doesn't find anything going forward - and they won't, the Dems get to scream about how Trumps interference and intimidation scared away the investigation.  They'll rant that firing Comey worked.  They'll scream about a constitutional crisis because the president was able to squash an investigation about himself.  Their playbook is obvious.

Obviously the firing creates that impression that Trump was trying to impact the investigation.  When you do something that looks exactly like a cover-up, you have no business crying afterward that people are accusing you of a cover-up.

If Trump wants to avoid the perception that he fired Comey so that he could appoint a yes-man and save his own ass, the answer is obvious.  An independent probe.

If Trump has nothing to hide, an independent probe seems like the best way to clear his reputation and get rid of all of these questions for good. Why is he (and Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell) so opposed to an independent investigation?

 -k

[Omni]

The one problem with an independent investigation is it could take a hell of a long time to get results. An impeachment investigation would move much faster. I imagine as Trump hears of that possibility he won't need to spray on his orange stuff to get some color in his face.

[Hal 9000]

35 minutes ago, kimmy said:

Haha  suuuuure.  The firing had nothing at all to do with the Russia probe!  Nothing to do with the subpoenas issued to Michael Flynn a few hours earlier, nothing to do with Comey's promise of grave consequences who leaked info to anyone who leaked information to Rudy Giuliani during the campaign, nothing to do with anything like that! He was no doubt just angry that Comey was mean to Hillary during the election, like he said. Why would anybody believe otherwise!

Obviously the firing creates that impression that Trump was trying to impact the investigation.  When you do something that looks exactly like a cover-up, you have no business crying afterward that people are accusing you of a cover-up.

If Trump wants to avoid the perception that he fired Comey so that he could appoint a yes-man and save his own ass, the answer is obvious.  An independent probe.

If Trump has nothing to hide, an independent probe seems like the best way to clear his reputation and get rid of all of these questions for good. Why is he (and Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell) so opposed to an independent investigation?

 -k

So, what will you think if Trump hires a new Head of FBI, but not an independent investigator and the FBI find nothing?

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

So, what will you think if Trump hires a new Head of FBI, but not an independent investigator and the FBI find nothing?

Then anyone with any sense will think Trump hired the guy he knew would "find nothing".

[Hal 9000]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Then anyone with any sense will think Trump hired the guy he knew would "find nothing".

The question is for Kimmey.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

The question is for Kimmey.

Oh, you didn't like my answer.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, kimmy said:

If Trump has nothing to hide, an independent probe seems like the best way to clear his reputation and get rid of all of these questions for good. Why is he (and Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell) so opposed to an independent investigation?

 

There are several "investigations" already underway.  There can be no special prosecutor unless a crime is alleged to have been committed.

Talking to Russians (or Canadians) isn't illegal...yet.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

There are several "investigations" already underway.  There can be no special prosecutor unless a crime is alleged to have been committed.

Talking to Russians (or Canadians) isn't illegal...yet.

 

But, but, but...the Cold War. (that we're told to forget about all the time by the same actors)

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

There are several "investigations" already underway.  There can be no special prosecutor unless a crime is alleged to have been committed.

Talking to Russians (or Canadians) isn't illegal...yet.

How about obstruction of justice or treason? You've heard those are impeachable offenses right?

[Argus]

17 hours ago, taxme said:

They use dead peoples names. 

And then millions of people go and vote in a vast conspiracy that no one but Donald Trump and some wack job with a blog have found any evidence of...