Argus Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) They'll be toast before that will ever happen. You think a bunch of rag-tags will be able to defeat the Saudis, Iran, Israel etc.? Saudi Arabia is a house of cards. It doesn't need to be defeated from without, it can be defeated from within. Most of its people see nothing wrong with ISIS and think they are acting in accordance to Islam. I can easily see ISIS spreading to take over most, if not all Arab countries, all of whom are poorly run by governments with little or no public support. Most Egyptians voted for Islamist parties in their one free election. Sudan is an Islamist government. Libya, Algeria, Tunisia are unstable, as are Yemen, Iraq and Syria. Syria would already have fallen to ISIS were it not for the Russians and Iranians. Edited January 22, 2016 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 He attended all of those in his first few months? So which one do you think Trudeau should have skipped? Who knew?! Apparently, the meetings exist on demand. Is he gonna address the sliding dollar, sliding stock market, and sliding economy anytime soon? Or does travel come first? Since the House of Commons isn't scheduled to return until next week, I would think that going to somewhere like Davos, to network with top executive and world leaders, and to promote investment, would be important. Quote
Shady Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 So which one do you think Trudeau should have skipped? Apparently, the meetings exist on demand. Since the House of Commons isn't scheduled to return until next week, I would think that going to somewhere like Davos, to network with top executive and world leaders, and to promote investment, would be important. Are there any times that the House of Commons returns from a break for important issues? Is there any precedent? Quote
Smallc Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Are there any times that the House of Commons returns from a break for important issues? Is there any precedent? Which meeting should he have skipped? Quote
Shady Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Which meeting should he have skipped? Any of them that need to be. Quote
Smallc Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Any of them that need to be. Harper may have skipped COP 21. He would have went to all of the rest. I don't see why you judge Trudeau any differently. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 I have a feeling that may be tainted by your own views of him. Apparently, he's already earned more respect from Obama than Harper did. Heck - I actually WANT Trudeau to be someone the world will respect......but he's done absolutely nothing on his own YET. Everything so far, be it good or bad - has been carefully orchestrated by his handlers. Anything out of his mouth are bromides and platitudes. Liberals and Conservatives both have run Canada since 1867 and so far, neither party has driven us into the ditch - not really that much difference historically between the two. I might lean Conservative at this stage of my life but that doesn't exclude me from wanting to be proud of our Prime Minister. I think a full year as leader should remove any doubts as to whether he can truly lead - or whether he's just a figurehead. I have to say - I'm not that hopeful. Quote Back to Basics
capricorn Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Not being at Wednesday's coalition meeting was a lost opportunity for Sajjan, Canada's new Defence Minister, to forge relationships with those in attendance. Of course, I can see that the decision to pull our jets from this mission and our government's related public announcements, would have made Sajjan somewhat uncomfortable at such meeting. I suppose that in part, that is why Canada was asked not to attend. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Big Guy Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Heck - I actually WANT Trudeau to be someone the world will respect......but he's done absolutely nothing on his own YET. ..I think a full year as leader should remove any doubts as to whether he can truly lead - or whether he's just a figurehead. I have to say - I'm not that hopeful. I am glad to see that your priority still is that Canada benefits from this change in government. In 4 or 8 years, another party will probably take over. At that time I too will be hoping that the new leadership does well for my and my families future. Harper did his best and now Trudeau will do his best - and we will criticize or praise accordingly - except that no one here appears to want to praise any leader. I do not think that it is healthy for people to become so entrenched into their own political party that the other parties become "enemies" and are treated as such. I am always surprised how some posters will choose some insignificant or mundane event or conversation to slag or demean members of other parties. Cheerleaders seldom have time to watch the game and are never interviewed as to their opinion of the match. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Smallc Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Any of them that need to be. So should he have skipped Davos? “I don’t think anyone expects him to come here and sign up a number of big jobs; that’s not realistic. But people want to take his measure and they like what they see,” Mr. Tobin said. --- John Manley, president and CEO of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, said Mr. Trudeau’s performance has been “pretty pitch perfect” and praised him for spending three days at the forum. --- Kevin Lynch, the former clerk of the Privy Council under Stephen Harper and current vice-chairman of BMO Financial Group, said Mr. Trudeau is doing more than pitching for investment dollars: He is rebranding Canada as a compassionate nation, a message that will improve the country’s international reputation. --- Dr. Hans-Paul Burkner, the Frankfurt chairman of Boston Consulting Group, said he was impressed with Mr. Trudeau’s progressive and inclusive approach to government. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-insists-davos-trip-all-about-selling-canada-as-place-to-invest/article28361304/ You're right - he probably should have skipped it. Quote
Smallc Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Heck - I actually WANT Trudeau to be someone the world will respect So should he have skipped Davos? “I don’t think anyone expects him to come here and sign up a number of big jobs; that’s not realistic. But people want to take his measure and they like what they see,” Mr. Tobin said. --- John Manley, president and CEO of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, said Mr. Trudeau’s performance has been “pretty pitch perfect” and praised him for spending three days at the forum. --- Kevin Lynch, the former clerk of the Privy Council under Stephen Harper and current vice-chairman of BMO Financial Group, said Mr. Trudeau is doing more than pitching for investment dollars: He is rebranding Canada as a compassionate nation, a message that will improve the country’s international reputation. --- Dr. Hans-Paul Burkner, the Frankfurt chairman of Boston Consulting Group, said he was impressed with Mr. Trudeau’s progressive and inclusive approach to government. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-insists-davos-trip-all-about-selling-canada-as-place-to-invest/article28361304/ You're right - he probably should have skipped it. Then you must be ecstatic about all of this. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 No matter how you guys spin it, no matter if you think we should fight ISIS or not, the fact is; our allies have lost faith in us so much so that they don't even want us privy to their meetings. This is a bad sign. An expected turn of events because I think we talked about this possibility in another thread, but this is not good at all. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Smallc Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 No matter how you guys spin it, no matter if you think we should fight ISIS or not, the fact is; our allies have lost faith in us so much so that they don't even want us privy to their meetings. This is a bad sign. So, I'm all for staying and putting up a brave face, but, really, should we have to? I mean, we didn't cause this problem. It's really not our problem to solve. We should be able to take our ball and go home. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Here it is; Posted November 17 in "How will the country look in 4 years?" Hal 9000: Well, history is my guide. Soon, we will have higher taxes to pay for Trudeaus promises. Higher taxes always come in higher gas prices and higher taxes to the middle class. Trudeaus middle class that he makes promises to, are not what we consider middle class. He considers us upper class. We will have a higher percentage of welfare people than ever before - that's a fact. Every refugee (and who knows how many that will be) will be 100% unemployable. We will have a lower percentage of working people than ever before to pay in yo system. Environmental policies and tax policies will keep foreign money away - hence less jobs. Cost of fuel going up will have direct effect on trucking- prices alway start with cost of transporting goods. Smaller businesses will get hit hardest by this. Minimum wage increase will further strain these businesses. Causing more job loss. Our societal problems will arise from our financial problems- just like France and many other European countries. History can predict the chain of events. As for foreign policy, if we're not with our allies, were against them. Seems harsh, and maybe some hyperbole there, but we will be marginalized by the western countries who do know that it's time to act against our enemies - and yes, we do have enemies. I know WCR , you want a cite of some sort, but it's just my prediction based on a question posed. I know how to connect dots quite well. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Shady Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 So should he have skipped Davos?“I don’t think anyone expects him to come here and sign up a number of big jobs; that’s not realistic. But people want to take his measure and they like what they see,” Mr. Tobin said.---John Manley, president and CEO of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, said Mr. Trudeau’s performance has been “pretty pitch perfect” and praised him for spending three days at the forum.---Kevin Lynch, the former clerk of the Privy Council under Stephen Harper and current vice-chairman of BMO Financial Group, said Mr. Trudeau is doing more than pitching for investment dollars: He is rebranding Canada as a compassionate nation, a message that will improve the country’s international reputation.---Dr. Hans-Paul Burkner, the Frankfurt chairman of Boston Consulting Group, said he was impressed with Mr. Trudeau’s progressive and inclusive approach to government.http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-insists-davos-trip-all-about-selling-canada-as-place-to-invest/article28361304/You're right - he probably should have skipped it. Sure he should've skipped it, if he was actually going to try to accomplish something in regards to the sliding dollar, sliding stock market, and sliding economy. But wow, you mean there are some CEO's kissing his butt? I'm shocked! Oh well, hopefully Justin got to say hi to his buddy Barack. Oh wait, Barack skipped it. Quote
Smallc Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Sure he should've skipped it, if he was actually going to try to accomplish something in regards to the sliding dollar, sliding stock market, and sliding economy. You want him to buy oil stocks? Oh wait, Barack skipped it. Then I'm sure you're glad he went. Quote
Shady Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Just more symbolism over substance. That's all Justin is. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Just more symbolism over substance. That's all Justin is. Obama's economy is rebounding nicely so he sent Biden. We need investment so JT went. Quote
Smallc Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Just more symbolism over substance. That's all Justin is. So what should he do about the economy? Quote
Shady Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Obama's economy is rebounding nicely so he sent Biden. We need investment so JT went. Oh it definitely has. I know the tanking Dow, the 40 year low in labour participation are real signs of progress! And I'm sure the world's businesses will be keen to invest in Canada with coming higher taxes, and a spiking debt and deficit! Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 So what should he do about the economy? Good question. Should he just stay home and try to continue to flog nothing but oil? Perhaps pursuing investors to emerging markets might just make better sense. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Oh it definitely has. I know the tanking Dow, the 40 year low in labour participation are real signs of progress! And I'm sure the world's businesses will be keen to invest in Canada with coming higher taxes, and a spiking debt and deficit! A little hint....The dow is not the economy. Employment is doing well and rising in the US. They are likely to raise interest rates next time around due to their economic expansion. I know you dislike Obama, but hey, look at the numbers he has going for him. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Not only is Trudeau being shunned by coalition members, but so is Canada because of low productivity, high energy costs, unions, and lack of leadership & cooperation for basic infrastructure projects. Wynne's Ontariowe is racking up so much debt, it can't even bribe corporations to stay anymore. Sad..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Not only is Trudeau being shunned by coalition members, but so is Canada because of low productivity, high energy costs, unions, and lack of leadership & cooperation for basic infrastructure projects. Wynne's Ontariowe is racking up so much debt, it can't even bribe corporations to stay anymore. Sad..... Not true, and the infrastructure will show up big time in the budget. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 The thread is about being shunned by the coalition allies - let's get back to that. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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