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bush_cheney2004 Grand Master

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10 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Having to pick Trump as being more honest than anyone. Frightening thought.

 

Then how did Toronto end up with Mayor Rob Ford ?    Trump says many of the things that "regular folks" think and say every day.

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2 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Ford didn't have nuclear codes. Also, in a council vote, a mayor can only vote to break a tie.

 

"Nuclear codes" is rhetorical nonsense...American economic and military power exert far more influence every day with un-elected leadership.

Donald Trump will get many millions of votes regardless of his critics in the USA or around the world.

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4 hours ago, Argus said:

Poll out today shows Americans think Trump is more honest than Clinton. Just how dumb are Americans anyway? Wasn't Trump declared, last month, the most dishonest candidate in American political history? Doesn't every single media or independent truth and fact checker say he lies constantly about almost everything? Every single one I've read shows Trump lying at about 8-10 times the rate of Clinton. Politifact shows more than 50% of what he says is an outright lie, while if you include the 'half truths' and 'mostly false' statements that number rises to 86%. The man is a pathological liar.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Trump Becomes The Biggest Liar In US Political History By Lying Once Every 3 Minutes

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/25/trump-biggest-liar-political-history-lying-3-minutes.html

 

 

It's pretty easy for a group like politifact to pick out 8 or 10 statements by each candidate and use their own opinion to decide what is and what isn't a lie.  I'm sure that you can go through a debate and hand pick 10 lies from Hillary and 10 truths from Trump and show Hillary lies while Trump does not or politifact can parse a statement to have it be a lie or a truth depending on what they want the statement to say; For example, Trump: "Hillary had 13 devices and destroyed them using a hammer" is a lie because although they were all destroyed (which is the actual point), only 2 were by hammer.  Clinton: "I have turned over all my emails" has been deemed mostly true because she did turn over some emails.

I think you should probably fact check the fact checkers.   

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3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trump is perceived as more honest because he is unfiltered, politically incorrect, and spontaneous.  

Americans are so dumb that Canada and the rest of the world watches their presidential elections with extreme interest.

Americans are dumb because they can't realize two things; How this election will change the world as a whole and what a complete joke they are for letting things get to this.  If you think anyone is envious of you or america, you're dead wrong - you people would be the laughing stock of the world if not for the idea that the the US is so dangerous militarily.

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I think the US would benefit from a president who is blunt, politically incorrect, even rude. He will tell the opponents of the US what they should do, in simple language, in a way they can understand. Many think that the US under Obama has no dick, people like Duterte. Trump can change that.

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1 hour ago, Hal 9000 said:

Americans are dumb because they can't realize two things; How this election will change the world as a whole and what a complete joke they are for letting things get to this.  If you think anyone is envious of you or america, you're dead wrong - you people would be the laughing stock of the world if not for the idea that the the US is so dangerous militarily.

 

That's OK....the dumb Americans are so stupid that their nation has grown to dominate the economic, military, and "cultural" landscape, especially in Canada.     Being so "dumb" is good.

Few give a crap who is elected in Canada.

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1 hour ago, Wilber said:

Damn, you guys must really believe Bill is running. New Flash. Two terms is the limit.

Tell Bill that.  He's been showing up at the debates as well as the campaign trail.  Now a information request that the FBI just released shows info about his pardon of a sleaze ball for about $450,000.  Nice work if you can get it.

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9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

That's OK....the dumb Americans are so stupid that their nation has grown to dominate the economic, military, and "cultural" landscape, especially in Canada.     Being so "dumb" is good.

Few give a crap who is elected in Canada.

We know you 'care', giving how much you go off the rails talking about Canada in this section.

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21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Doesn't mean they should elect a professional politician and crook.   The question concerned Trump's "honesty", and he is trusted more than Clinton.

And yet he's not more honest than Clinton. He's a pathological liar, and the more we look at his history the more we get the realization that he's been playing fast and loose with rules and laws all his life.

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18 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I think the US would benefit from a president who is blunt, politically incorrect, even rude. He will tell the opponents of the US what they should do, in simple language, in a way they can understand. Many think that the US under Obama has no dick, people like Duterte. Trump can change that.

Listen bud, I am blunt, politically incorrect, and often rude. Ask ANYONE here. They won't disagree. 

But there is a vast difference between being blunt and being crude, between being politically correct and being a racist asshole, between being rude and being deliberately cruel to people. Add in his almost comical ignorance on every single subject related to governance, and his lifelong history of ignoring expert advise, surrounding himself with yes-men and shooting the messenger when he doesn't like the message and it's hard to imagine a worse candidate for president.

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An example of what a lousy businessman Trump is comes from his past. Martin Roffman was a financial analyst who looked at what Trump was spending to build his casinos, and what income they could expect, and said that they had no chance of being profitable. 

"It was such an expensive project, and it was so huge," Roffman says. "This was like two casinos opening at the same time. And there was enormous debt. I said that when the Taj opened, it would break every record in the book. And that strong business would continue during May, June and July," Roffman recalls, "but when the cold winds of October came, it wasn't going to make it."

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/10/497087643/the-analyst-who-gambled-and-took-on-trump

In response, Trump threatened a lawsuit against his company if he wasn't fired. He was fired. Roffman later got a $750k arbitration award against his company and sued Trump, getting an undisclosed out of court settlement. Its an example of how Trump doesn't want to hear from naysayers who contradict him, and how vengeful he can be towards them. It's also an example of how numbers don't seem to mean much to him. One of the bankers in the negotiations over his bankruptcy said that as a CEO he really didn't seem to understand the numbers.

“When we were talking to him in the meetings, it just didn’t seem that he had any idea how big the problem was or how it would be resolved.  But as far as being a CEO and understanding the numbers and the ramifications, it didn’t seem like he took economics or accounting in college.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/9/28/1575458/-Frontline-Provides-A-Chilling-Look-Inside-Donald-Trump-s-Mind

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On 2016-11-02 at 3:24 PM, Topaz said:

I'm not saying what the following link states is true, that up to you but every American voter should at least what this guy is saying and I hope the link works. Goggle steve pieczenik  he's a former CIA agent under Reagan.

 

Donald Trump actually mentions Bill Clinton's trips to "Lolita Island" in this brief video.

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The media didn't go nuts on this a they would do with other things Trump says. I find that rather strange.

 

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