Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: That is such bollocks. It's like telling people it's okay if the engine on an Air France plane explodes because no one was hurt and it doesn't happen very often. One still finds out why and tries to make sure it doesn't happen again. If you just want to swap bollocks, that's fun, but it's no argument. Well, let me repeat once again: at no point did I say anything here was 'ok'. Why are we circling back on this discussion? If an engine explodes, it needs to be investigated but we don't ban planes because it happens even once a year, we look at the problem and fix it. Edited October 1, 2017 by Michael Hardner Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 Off topic...stick with the bollocks instead. Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Off topic...stick with the bollocks instead. Sorry. I'm responding to analogy of one of my posts. Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Guest Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, Michael Hardner said: Well, let me repeat once again: at no point did I say anything here was 'ok'. Why are we circling back. If an engine explodes, it needs to be investigated but we don't ban planes because it happens even once a year, we look at the problem and fix it. But we don't shy away from admitting it might be a problem, and we don't say "hey, it could have been any engine." What the hell is wrong with acknowledging the truth? Islam is as far from being a religion of peace as I am from dancing with the Bolshoi.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 Trudeau faithful: must love Islamists....must hate Trump ! Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: But we don't shy away from admitting it might be a problem, and we don't say "hey, it could have been any engine." No, but I didn't say it's not a problem nor did I say this attack had nothing to do with Islam or anything else. You have been defending this other poster's lame posts for several responses now, why not let him attempt to defend his hysteria all on his own ? He's a big boy. 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Islam is as far from being a religion of peace as I am from dancing with the Bolshoi. This discussion is proceeding at a snail's pace. One poster made a hysterical call to arms, and you defended him by posting an incorrect analogy on me and now you're strawmanning, or something, to the effect that this discussion will be about nothing once again. Be specific about what you're criticizing and what you're asserting. Can you not just find a simple point between these two: -admitting it [Islam] MIGHT be a problem ? -asserting that it's as far from a religion of peace as... Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
dialamah Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: But we don't shy away from admitting it might be a problem, and we don't say "hey, it could have been any engine." What the hell is wrong with acknowledging the truth? Islam is as far from being a religion of peace as I am from dancing with the Bolshoi. If you want to say Islam promotes violence, then you must also say that the West promotes violence. The US has been at war, somewhere, for all but a few years of its existence. Canada is not far behind. Sure, we can tell ourselves we.are.on the side of "good" but the people on the other side of our violence would not agree.
Guest Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: No, but I didn't say it's not a problem nor did I say this attack had nothing to do with Islam or anything else. You have been defending this other poster's lame posts for several responses now, why not let him attempt to defend his hysteria all on his own ? He's a big boy. This discussion is proceeding at a snail's pace. One poster made a hysterical call to arms, and you defended him by posting an incorrect analogy on me and now you're strawmanning, or something, to the effect that this discussion will be about nothing once again. Be specific about what you're criticizing and what you're asserting. Can you not just find a simple point between these two: -admitting it [Islam] MIGHT be a problem ? -asserting that it's as far from a religion of peace as... Islam is definitely a problem, and it is definitely not a religion of peace. That doesn't mean I'm building a bunker, or am about to start a 21st century crusade.
Michael Hardner Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: Islam is definitely a problem, and it is definitely not a religion of peace. That doesn't mean I'm building a bunker, or am about to start a 21st century crusade. Ok, thanks for that. Looks like we're close to on the same side, especially when it comes to bunker building. Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Guest Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, dialamah said: If you want to say Islam promotes violence, then you must also say that the West promotes violence. The US has been at war, somewhere, for all but a few years of its existence. Canada is not far behind. Sure, we can tell ourselves we.are.on the side of "good" but the people on the other side of our violence would not agree. I don't think anyone who has even a passing concern for history would do that. You agree then, that Islam promotes violence?
dialamah Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I don't think anyone who has even a passing concern for history would do that. You agree then, that Islam promotes violence? Nope. Islam doesn't promote violence any more than I think Democracy promotes the violence the US and Canada have been involved in.
Guest Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Nope. Islam doesn't promote violence any more than I think Democracy promotes the violence the US and Canada have been involved in. Oh well, at least we found somewhere we differ.
eyeball Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 21 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Islam is definitely a problem, and it is definitely not a religion of peace. So stop stirring it up. What is it about sticking your dingus in a hornets nest that you people don't get? 11 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I don't think anyone who has even a passing concern for history would do that. You agree then, that Islam promotes violence? It certainly reacts violently to being stirred up. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 1 minute ago, eyeball said: So stop stirring it up. What is it about sticking your dingus in a hornets nest that you people don't get? It certainly reacts violently to being stirred up. Too bad...stir it up even more. Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 Here we go back to the myth that Muslim extremists and terrorists don't do anything unless provoked. Yah they say that about wasps too.
Guest Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: So stop stirring it up. What is it about sticking your dingus in a hornets nest that you people don't get? It certainly reacts violently to being stirred up. It reacts violently to a lot of things. Cartoons, for instance. Bloggers. Gays. Blasphemers and apostates. Adulterers. And being stirred up, sure. By an Eskimo's game in this instance, I think. Well that's fair enough. CFL, what are you gonna do.
eyeball Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rue said: Here we go back to the myth that Muslim extremists and terrorists don't do anything unless provoked. Yah they say that about wasps too. Here we are smack in the middle of the myth that the west is entirely faultless and blameless for any of the shit or hornets that have been stirred up. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
marcus Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I don't think anyone who has even a passing concern for history would do that. You agree then, that Islam promotes violence? People promote violence. Religions, written by men, are full of contradiction within themselves. You can find hundreds of teachings in the Old/New Testament + Koran that contradict each other. You have everything from peaceful, thoughtful passages to violent passages. Your focus on violence in only Muslim cultures only cements the topic of this thread. Edited October 1, 2017 by marcus "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
eyeball Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: It reacts violently to a lot of things. Cartoons, for instance. Bloggers. Gays. Blasphemers and apostates. Adulterers. You can't think of anything else besides what you've listed? Try a little harder. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, marcus said: People promote violence. Religions, written by men, are full of contradiction within themselves. You can find hundreds of teachings in the Old/New Testament + Koran that contradict each other. You have everything from peaceful, thoughtful passages to violent passages. Your focus on violence in only Muslim cultures only cements the topic of this thread. The focus on religious violence currently going on is proportional to the religion promoting it.
Guest Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: You can't think of anything else besides what you've listed? Try a little harder. Off the cuff. I'm a busy man.
eyeball Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: Off the cuff. I'm a busy man. No, you're a lazy man. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, eyeball said: No, you're a lazy man. Ooh, good one. I have to go for a walk so I'll have to let that slide...
eyeball Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: Ooh, good one. I have to go for a walk so I'll have to let that slide... It's true you folks do keep quite busy actually; at deflecting, ignoring, forgetting, mocking...especially mocking...any suggestion whatsoever that the west is entirely blameless and faultless to a tee when it comes to the fundie violence, including Islams, being stirred up in the world. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Posted October 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's true you folks do keep quite busy actually; at deflecting, ignoring, forgetting, mocking...especially mocking...any suggestion whatsoever that the west is entirely blameless and faultless to a tee when it comes to the fundie violence, including Islams, being stirred up in the world. Especially mocking is protected freedom of expression....even in Canada. Stabbings....not so much. Economics trumps Virtue.
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