Islamophobia in Canada

Argus · May 20, 2017

23 hours ago, dialamah said:

I believe that tolerance and acceptance are part of Canadian culture,

Sure. But we're not talking about Canadian culture. Try to keep up.

23 hours ago, dialamah said:

but then there are many people such as yourself to put the lie to that,

Nonsense. Drivel.

23 hours ago, dialamah said:

with your unrestrained complaining about immigrants in general and Muslims in particular,

So my intolerance of their intolerance makes me intolerant? Doesn't your intolerance of my intolerance of their intolerance then make YOU intolerant?

Also, I don't believe I've ever complained about immigrants. Perhaps you could find me a post of mine that complained about them as opposed to about immigration.

23 hours ago, dialamah said:

along with your fury at women in power and scorn for liberals.

LOL. I don't have fury at women in power! I have contempt for stupid women in power! And I admit, the basis is the same for my 'scorn' for Liberals, who by and by, support really stupid policies.

Would you care to recite the list of competent, honest, intelligent female politicians over the last decade or two?

23 hours ago, dialamah said:

Also you have again confused people with government. What laws a country enforces may or may not be what their citizens want.

You're correct. According to the polls most Muslims in the world want MUCH, MUCH more severe and intolerant laws. An open and democratic vote in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the gulf states, Pakistan, Malaysia, and just about anywhere else in the Islamic world would return Islamic states governed by Sharia law.

Indonesia is one of your model Muslim states in its 'tolerance' and it's democracy, but even there when a Christian competing in an election dares to disagree with a Muslim who says it's against Islamic law to have a non-Muslim in charge, he's slapped into prison.

But I know facts and truths mean little to you.

Argus · May 20, 2017

21 hours ago, dialamah said:

Nor can Muslims, according to their beliefs. For most of them ... the ones you don't hear about on the news ... Its up to God to judge and punish, not man.

Which is why, anywhere in the Islamic world, including Egypt, someone is accused of blasphemy, by just about anyone, mobs show up with torches, right?

Edited May 20, 2017 by Argus

Argus · May 20, 2017

6 hours ago, dialamah said:

I don't hate you...why would understanding that your experience and what you believe means you dislike Islam and don't generally trust Muslims mean I hate you?

And OMG, there you go accusing me of being Muslim as if disagreeing with you can only mean I'm Muslim. Bizarre.

Maybe she's confused about why someone who isn't a Muslim would devote herself so desperately, day after day after day to a wholesale, sweeping dismissal of all statements regarding Islamic intolerance and violence, despite literally mountains of evidence to the contrary.

OftenWrong · May 20, 2017

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Maybe she's confused about why someone who isn't a Muslim would devote herself so desperately, day after day after day to a wholesale, sweeping dismissal of all statements regarding Islamic intolerance and violence, despite literally mountains of evidence to the contrary.

On 2017-05-19 at 0:13 PM, dialamah said:

I agree that extremism is the problem, and I also agree that the vast majority of conservatives in Canada and the US are any where near as extreme as the radical and violent Muslims who populate news stories.

Bob Macadoo · May 20, 2017

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Maybe she's confused about why someone who isn't a Muslim would devote herself so desperately, day after day after day to a wholesale, sweeping dismissal of all statements regarding Islamic intolerance and violence, despite literally mountains of evidence to the contrary.

Says the guy who starts a muslim/immigration thread every other day.......

blackbird · May 20, 2017

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Which is why, anywhere in the Islamic world, including Egypt, someone is accused of blasphemy, by just about anyone, mobs show up with torches, right?

There is a woman in Pakistan who was a Muslim but converted to christianity and has been sentenced to death for blasphemy. She has appealed it. There are Muslims calling for her execution.

Rue · May 21, 2017

1 hour ago, Bob Macadoo said:

Says the guy who starts a muslim/immigration thread every other day.......

He did not start this thread. The person who did start this thread started numerous anti Israel threads which you didn't seem to have a problem with,

Says the guy who doesn't start that many threads and notices your contribution on this forum is never to offer a position on anything just make passive aggressive remarks at people.

Rue · May 21, 2017

22 hours ago, dialamah said:

Maybe, although I've been told that it has much to do with the way Isreal was established and how she's conducted herself since, not so much Jews themselves. Kind of like hating America, but having no issue with individual Americans. I've also been told that there is a long-standing feud dating from the time of Abraham. And finally that there is no issue, Jews are people of the book, like Muslims.

Who told you this? I'd also like to know how someone who denies Israel the right to exist as a state does not have problems with all Israelis let alone Jews.

Before you answer please remember terrorists who attack Jews don't give a damn whether they are Israeli or not neither do anti-semites who use Israel as apretext to attack the right of Jews to be a collective. Coul be the people you've been talking to if they exist are are selective in what they tell you.

Islam inherently defines ALL Jews as less than human. It defines us as khair and dhimmi. This is why Muslim states do not recognize Isrel. They do not think Jews are equal to Muslims and therefore have the right to a state like Muslims do. Its got nothing to do with how Israel was created-it has everything to do with the fact it WAS created.

I believe the above comment with due respect was a half assed lame attempt at deflecting anti-Semitism which is a precept of Islam. That said Christianity defined Jews no differently but the diference is Christianity has evolved past the Passion Play and group libel against All Jews killing Christ but still believes like Islam we need to be converted or we go to hell.

The difference however is most Christians today don't attack Jews anymore. Sure the KKK remains as do some very anti semitic Christian religious groups but they are not mainstream. In Muslim states to this day, anti-Semitism is mainstream-its every day reality broadcast in the media to its people.

I will as Jew live in Christian countries. I would not as a Jew live in a Muslim country. I know better. So should you with due respect. Mainstream anti-semitism is something we Jews work very hard with progressive Muslims to deal with. These progressive Muslims face back-lash for doing so. So do not underestimate how unpopular it is to be a progressive Muslim and reach out to Jews. They experience much scorn and rejection just as they do when they reach out to other religions or to defend progressive ideas.

I know such Muslims. They get crap from anti Muslims and Muslims equally. Its why many pick who they speak with and when.You won't find anyone Muslim come on this board and criticize Islam religious precepts or anti Semitism preached in mainstream Islam-let me know if you come across one who does. As for the wide spread hatred of Christians preached in Muslim states or against Bahaiis, Zoroastreans, Hindus, Bhuddists, my comments remain the same and I say to Blackbird the attack on Coptic Christians by Obama's close ally Morsi in Egypt with Obama remaining silent was a disgrace as much as it was his brother remains the no.1 financier of Sudan's regime which continues to exterminate Christian Sudanese. The slaughter continues.

Edited May 21, 2017 by Rue

Bob Macadoo · May 21, 2017

Sorry a 6 page soliloquy is your signature move, not mine.

All anti- threads IMO are dull and appeal to base emotion.....nuance discussion is not appreciated. I wasn't refering to this anti- thread just the other umpteen

Next time you're sore about the "f-word" being equated to the "k-word" reply to it there......bitchin' here is inappropriate.

18 minutes ago, Rue said:

He did not start this thread. The person who did start this thread started numerous anti Israel threads which you didn't seem to have a problem with,

Says the guy who doesn't start that many threads and notices your contribution on this forum is never to offer a position on anything just make passive aggressive remarks at people.

Rue · May 21, 2017

8 minutes ago, Bob Macadoo said:

Sorry a 6 page soliloquy is your signature move, not mine.

All anti- threads IMO are dull and appeal to base emotion.....nuance discussion is not appreciated. I wasn't refering to this anti- thread just the other umpteen

Next time you're sore about the "f-word" being equated to the "k-word" reply to it there......bitchin' here is inappropriate.

Your response as usual is incoherent in its attempt to try be snide.

"he doesn't have Bell's palsy-it's a self induced affliction..."

Rue 1823

dialamah · May 21, 2017

13 minutes ago, Rue said:

Who told you this? I'd also like to know how someone who denies Israel the right to exist as a state does not have problems with all Israelis let alone Jews

Nobody I've spoken to has said Isreal doesn't have a right to exist. Some people feel that Isreal's location was imposed upon them and that this was another example of Western meddling without any understanding or care about what the people in the region might feel. I don't necessarily believe this, by the way, it's merely a perspective I was given.

28 minutes ago, Rue said:

These progressive Muslims face back-lash for doing so. So do not underestimate how unpopular it is to be a progressive Muslim and reach out to Jews

Believe me, I do have an idea.

DogOnPorch · May 21, 2017

9 hours ago, dialamah said:

Nobody I've spoken to has said Isreal doesn't have a right to exist. Some people feel that Isreal's location was imposed upon them and that this was another example of Western meddling without any understanding or care about what the people in the region might feel. I don't necessarily believe this, by the way, it's merely a perspective I was given.

Believe me, I do have an idea.

The Zionist Movement bought their land fair and square. Nothing was imposed. Muslims, however, have a blood libel on the Jews from the Quran. They were not going to let any Jew live in peace...period. Still not going to...

The Palestinian Cause hitched its wagon to the Third Reich in hopes of eradicating every Jew on Earth. They failed in their mission. Upon escaping his captors post WW2, the Grand Mufti fled back to the Middle East where he started the Arab-Israeli Wars were still enjoy to this very day.

The Mufti died in 1974...a free man. He never paid for the murder of perhaps one million people which he was connected to in the Holocaust in the Axis Minor nations and Yugoslavia. He did get to witness the Yom Kippur War before he croaked, however, where the Arabs were handed their rear-ends in a sling once again....1973. I hope the tears were bitter.

His terrorist nephew, Yassir Arafat, took over the Palestinian Cause when the Mufti retired...around 1964. He had been a loyal soldier in the Mufti's Jaysh al-Jihad al-Muqaddas (Army of the Holy War).

Such nice folks...the "Palestinians".

But, yeah...all that Nazi stuff must be the result of Islamophobia. Had the Muslims only been given EVERYTHING and been allowed to disown the Jews of EVERYTHING there would have been "peace". I mean seriously...the Jews are as apes and pigs according to Islam...cursed by Allah. Not the sort of folks you'd want as neighbours.

Bob Macadoo · May 21, 2017

Make a word wall of reaction to your posts and the word "incoherent" would crush all others.

I have nothing for these threads of "You're a pig! No. You're barbaric!" Threads that start out how do we legislate/educate populace about reduction in hate invariably turn into a justification string for that hate whether it be muslim, jew, LGBQ, or one legged soccer players.

If that is what natural growth of discussion passes for around here......

I stick to gov't threads where there is disagreement but not these "paid actors" who circle these threads eating up all the chum in the water. See poster above.

11 hours ago, Rue said:

Your response as usual is incoherent in its attempt to try be snide.

"he doesn't have Bell's palsy-it's a self induced affliction..."

Rue 1823

Edited May 21, 2017 by Bob Macadoo

DogOnPorch · May 21, 2017

1 hour ago, Bob Macadoo said:

Make a word wall of reaction to your posts and the word "incoherent" would crush all others.

I have nothing for these threads of "You're a pig! No. You're barbaric!" Threads that start out how do we legislate/educate populace about reduction in hate invariably turn into a justification string for that hate whether it be muslim, jew, LGBQ, or one legged soccer players.

If that is what natural growth of discussion passes for around here......

I stick to gov't threads where there is disagreement but not these "paid actors" who circle these threads eating up all the chum in the water. See poster above.

You're free to extol the virtues of Islam and point out all the various things I've gotten wrong about the Religion of Peace.

Tick tock...

Edited May 21, 2017 by DogOnPorch

eyeball · May 21, 2017

2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

all that Nazi stuff must be the result of Islamophobia.

More specifically though it was the result of phobic right-wing conservatives. If you've seen them once you've seen them forever.

Edited May 21, 2017 by eyeball

DogOnPorch · May 21, 2017

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

More specifically though it was the result of phobic right-wing conservatives. If you've seen them once you've seen them forever.

You're free to extol the virtues of Nazism. It has much in common with your pet Islam.

eyeball · May 21, 2017

I'm extolling the virtues of right-wing conservative phobia. You're suggesting I'm a right-wing conservative? Good luck with that.

DogOnPorch · May 21, 2017

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm extolling the virtues of right-wing conservative phobia. You're suggesting I'm a right-wing conservative? Good luck with that.

National Socialism...just more leftists, actually. Planned economy, state property...da verks.

eyeball · May 21, 2017

Call it whatever you like, in the beginning however it was clearly paranoid right-wing conservatives who extolled the virtues of the Nazis and the rest as they say is history...which appears to be repeating itself.

DogOnPorch · May 21, 2017

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Call it whatever you like, in the beginning however it was clearly paranoid right-wing conservatives who extolled the virtues of the Nazis and the rest as they say is history...which appears to be repeating itself.

The Weimar Government represented conservatism in Germany...the old ways. Hindenburg to a lesser extent who was keen on sticking it to the Reds.

Hitler chewed both up and spit them out.

eyeball · May 21, 2017

So it was good old fashioned conservative phobia about the Reds that caused the German right wing to climb into bed with...the left.

And now we see Islamophobic right-wingers climbing into bed with...Islam.

The root cause of all this incoherent nonsense is always right-wing conservative phobia.

DogOnPorch · May 21, 2017

Just now, eyeball said:

So it was good old fashioned conservative phobia about the Reds that caused the German right wing to climb into bed with...the left.

And now we see Islamophobic right-wingers climbing into bed with...Islam.

The root cause of all this incoherent nonsense is always right-wing conservative phobia.

The German right wing didn't join the Nazis. The Weimar Government was eliminated.

DogOnPorch · May 21, 2017

"Let's face it: Islam is the slow kid in the class. It's making West dumb, quite frankly.

Why can't Muslims live their lives and stop claiming special privileges? You are cementing your reputation for generations to come. You, and your political ideology, will never be respected or trusted ever again. Islam has shown its true colors."

Comment Section of M-103 news article

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/canada-passes-103-motion-islamophobia-170324074557381.html