Islamophobia in Canada

[Hal 9000]

I don't believe its made up, just a little skeptical of the details. For instance, initially I heard of multiple rapes; later, one confirmed rape. Would the level of violence and assaults be a lot more than usual? Would it be more than, for instance, assaults during a New York New Years? Was it really 'arab-looking men', or was it dark and confusing and assumptions led descriptions? Details like that are important for perspective, in my opinion.

I will say that I am very concerned about terrorism everywhere, whether it's a guy working alone, or a well-organized well-planned attack. My support for refugees and refusal to paint all Muslims with a terrorist brush doesn't mean I think terrorism is acceptable in any way.

I've googled "sexual assaults by mob - Times Square" and this is the first thing that came up. Weird eh.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/05/egypt-women-rape-sexual-assault-tahrir-square

Edited January 8, 2016 by Hal 9000

[Hal 9000]

You don't know anything about me so how could you be surprised.

You're joking - right?

[Argus]

I refuse to give an opinion without the facts.

I thought it was part of current feminist dogma that women who report that they have been sexually assaulted should be believed... Now we have over a hundred women reporting they have been sexually assaulted and we're waiting for the police to decide if they're all lying?

[Argus]

I don't believe its made up, just a little skeptical of the details. For instance, initially I heard of multiple rapes; later, one confirmed rape. Would the level of violence and assaults be a lot more than usual? Would it be more than, for instance, assaults during a New York New Years? Was it really 'arab-looking men', or was it dark and confusing and assumptions led descriptions? Details like that are important for perspective, in my opinion.

So the well over 130 women in three cities who reported being sexually assaulted by Arabs or north african men were lying?

[WestCoastRunner]

You're joking - right?

No, I'm not.

[WestCoastRunner]

I thought it was part of current feminist dogma that women who report that they have been sexually assaulted should be believed... Now we have over a hundred women reporting they have been sexually assaulted and we're waiting for the police to decide if they're all lying?

Uh, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm disagreeing with all the quarterback legalize taking place here.

[WestCoastRunner]

So the well over 130 women in three cities who reported being sexually assaulted by Arabs or north african men were lying?

We don't know the facts. It's pretty simple to wrap your head around.

[tworivers]

So we have a group of Muslims beheading people , raping woman and telling us all they want most of us dead. 9/11 , Paris so on and so on .

This threat is real boys and girls and people here in Canada will only wake up when many die . Then all of those who are saying this is not real , this is not all muslims , this is just sad but don't get angry with them will change there tune if someone they are very close to is killed in an attack.

Just because you think it will not happen changes nothing and bad things do happen to good people and yes even Canadians.

I have lived in many places in this world , not just visited for a month or 2 but lived there and I can only tell you that this is real and we should be a whole lot more protective of our own here . Now I can already hear the bull coming from a few about this is happening because of blah blah blah nice words but meaningless . I used to think we could all get along and live in harmony but that is not going to happen in my lifetime and it is easy to turn the other cheek when someone you don't know is killed by these murdering cowards.

[Big Guy]

I am convinced!

I am convinced!

I an convinced!

Muslim males are running rampage around North America raping our women and probably planning to kill our children.

Please, Please - You special people that have discovered this potential downfall of the Western society must have a solution to save us from this Islamic Armageddon.

Please share that solution with the rest of us uninformed politically correct misinformed!

[Argus]

We don't know the facts. It's pretty simple to wrap your head around.

We know that over 150 women have reported they were attacked by mobs of African/Arabic men. Given most women would not report such things we can be fairly certain many times more women were attacked. With so many women reporting the men were arabic/african, and no reported doubt by police agencies in their statements I think we can take it for granted they aren't all either lying or mistaken.

[WestCoastRunner]

We know that over 150 women have reported they were attacked by mobs of African/Arabic men. Given most women would not report such things we can be fairly certain many times more women were attacked. With so many women reporting the men were arabic/african, and no reported doubt by police agencies in their statements I think we can take it for granted they aren't all either lying or mistaken.

I don't refute that women were attacked. That is horrific.

[Guest]

I don't refute that women were attacked. That is horrific.

But they were attacked by Chelsea fans, right?

Well, I can see it, that's for sure...

[Hal 9000]

I don't refute that women were attacked. That is horrific.

So, what do you refute?

[dialamah]

But they were attacked by Chelsea fans, right?

Well, I can see it, that's for sure...

They were attacked, and as far as I understand they were attacked by 'Arab-looking' men. "Arab looking" or even "North African looking" is pretty vague. Were they Syrian refugees? Economic Middle Eastern migrants? Second generation dark-skinned half-German/Half-Italian citizens?

Saying "of course it was Muslim Middle Eastern refugees" at this point is premature.

[Guest]

They were attacked, and as far as I understand they were attacked by 'Arab-looking' men. "Arab looking" or even "North African looking" is pretty vague. Were they Syrian refugees? Economic Middle Eastern migrants? Second generation dark-skinned half-German/Half-Italian citizens?

Saying "of course it was Muslim Middle Eastern refugees" at this point is premature.

Of course it is. No argument. But avoiding any discussion of race is cowardice. Look what happened in the UK when there were accusations that focused on a group identifiable mainly by their race.

Don't jump to conclusions, but don't avoid them either.

[WestCanMan]

Yes it is, as we speak, in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, all sorts of places where kids are easily and sexually exploited. We facilitate it with travel bargains and air miles.

Our civilized culture is the sickest one on the planet simply because it knows better than to behave the way it does. It's certainly the most hypocritical when it singles others out fur their debauchery.

You're stretching so far to make that point, which isn't even a point, that it's ridiculous.

On one hand there are few large groups of men from a relatively small population all doing something together, with no backlash from their own community. And it happened in 3 cities on the same night. To you that doesn't represent any sort of a pattern or a problem whatsoever from that community.

On the other you have just a few loners slinking away from a massive group of people to fly thousands of miles to do something at great expense because they know that their own community will put them in jail. To you that population is similar to the 1st in some way?

I wanna pull my hair out reading your posts.

[WestCanMan]

Are you seriously going to try to tell me that the activities of less than 1% of all Muslims means that all Muslims in the world are suspect, while also holding that the activities of less than 1% of white Christian men does not make all white Christian men suspect?

Do you think that crime committed by a Muslim is more blameworthy than crime committed by a Western person?

Yes, every time someone calls Muslims inherently violent, backward, stone-age and not to be trusted, you are talking about my sister and her Muslim family. And, you are also talking about 1.5 billion other people just like them. People who hate/fear TERRORISTS as much as you seem to hate and fear MUSLIMS.

So yeah, every time someone here says or implies that what *some* Muslims do is indicative of what *all* Muslims would like to do I will remind you that there are violent Whites, Christians and Westerners that are no better than the violent Muslim criminals, and that those violent, criminal, White Christian Westerners do not reflect the majority of the White Christian Westerners in the world.

You stop acting like being Muslim is a crime in itself, and I'll quit reminding you that the criminal and inhumane actions of a MINORITY of any group does not make everyone in that group criminal or inhumane, regardless of whether the group in question is Muslims, Christians, Priests, or white Western males. It has nothing to do with dismissing or supporting criminal acts, violent acts or extreme acts, and everything to do with objecting to bigotry and xenophobia.

Dialamah the deal here is that the small minority in one group, the pedo's sneaking off across the vast expanse of the Pacific ocean, is about 1/100th of one percent of the population. The rest of the population is upset about it and serious about criminal charges for thse people. Laws here were enacted to make their overseas indulgences crimes with very long sentences.

The minority in the other group is not nearly as small. And what they are doing is not looked down upon to the same extent either. Large groups of people do it because it's considered no big deal. Raping girls isn't a big deal over in the middle east, especially if the girls are non-muslims. Do you think that it would make a bit of difference if a group of muslim men harassed/groped a western woman walking through the streets of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon, and on and on...? Leaders in those muslim communities marry extremely young girls and even have boys as toys. They don't go to jail for that, they are not frowned upon. Girls who don't accept the orders from that families commonly have acid thrown on them, or are burned with kerosene and even that is not considered a crime. The prophet Mohammed married a 6 year girl and had sex with her at 9. To this day 14 yr old brides are still dying in child birth. Don't compare what is tolerated over there to what is tolerated over here. It's ridiculous.

Being a muslim isn't a crime, but stop acting as if the cultures in those countries aren't as backwards as they're being made out to be.

[eyeball]

You're stretching so far to make that point, which isn't even a point, that it's ridiculous.

On one hand there are few large groups of men from a relatively small population all doing something together, with no backlash from their own community. And it happened in 3 cities on the same night. To you that doesn't represent any sort of a pattern or a problem whatsoever from that community.

On the other you have just a few loners slinking away from a massive group of people to fly thousands of miles to do something at great expense because they know that their own community will put them in jail. To you that population is similar to the 1st in some way?

I wanna pull my hair out reading your posts.

Why? I wanna congratulate you on your ability to say all that without referring to a race or a culture even once.

And I agree, nobody should behave so indecently.

[Smoke]

Yes it is, as we speak, in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, all sorts of places where kids are easily and sexually exploited. We facilitate it with travel bargains and air miles.

Our civilized culture is the sickest one on the planet simply because it knows better than to behave the way it does. It's certainly the most hypocritical when it singles others out fur their debauchery.

So you are now accusing "us" for sexually exploiting kids in Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam. What a completely moronic statement. If you feel "our" culture is the sickest one on the planet, then please take your bleeding heart and leave Canada for something better, so that "we" can continue living in what most consider to be the best country in the world.

Yes folks, travel bargains and air miles have allowed "us" to sexually exploit kids.Do you ever really listen to yourself??

[Topaz]

What the main-stream media should be doing is finding who is supporting ISIS financially and I've posted in the past articles that says, the US and Saudi Arabia have been. There also the oil field which the US didn't touch until Putin pointed that out and then the US started to bomb the oil fields. It takes money for ISIS to function, so find the source.

[eyeball]

If you feel "our" culture is the sickest one on the planet, then please take your bleeding heart and leave Canada for something better, so that "we" can continue living in what most consider to be the best country in the world.

I'd rather you get your lousy country off my planet.

[PIK]

I am convinced!

I am convinced!

I an convinced!

Muslim males are running rampage around North America raping our women and probably planning to kill our children.

Please, Please - You special people that have discovered this potential downfall of the Western society must have a solution to save us from this Islamic Armageddon.

Please share that solution with the rest of us uninformed politically correct misinformed!

How much of that is going on behind closed doors in this country. How many muslim women are really free living here?

[Argus]

I don't refute that women were attacked. That is horrific.

But you seem to be trying to push back against their united descriptions of who their attackers are.

German authorities say they have identified 18 asylum-seekers among 31 suspects linked to crimes committed in Cologne on New Year's Eve.

In a separate case, police have arrested four Syrians, aged between 14 and 21, over the suspected gang rape of two teenage girls in the southern German town of Weil am Rhein on New Year's Eve, according to German media.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35261359

Edited January 8, 2016 by Argus

[Argus]

On the other you have just a few loners slinking away from a massive group of people to fly thousands of miles to do something at great expense because they know that their own community will put them in jail. To you that population is similar to the 1st in some way?

It's worth noting that most Western countries have criminalized such actions even when they take place in foreign countries. Meanwhile, no Muslim country has a specialist child sexual abuse group as part of their police forces, and investigations, let alone convictions for child sexual abuse or child abuse of any kind are vanishingly rare.

For that matter, I don't believe any Muslim country has a specialist sexual assault unit of any kind as part of any of its police forces either. Sexual assaults, while technically highly illegal, are rarely reported due to the overwhelming prejudice against victims both by society and in Muslim law, and the fact that under Sharia, an accusation requires either a confession from the rapist, or the testimony of four men in order to draw a conviction. What a woman says alone is of no value.

[Hudson Jones]

How much of that is going on behind closed doors in this country. How many muslim women are really free living here?

You tell us, since you're the expert on Muslims. If I didn't know any better, I would think you are Muslim with your great insights into their culture.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Hudson Jones