bush_cheney2004 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 ....It's ridiculous to claim that a portion of 1% of the total population of Canada is going to substantially change the other 99%. Chinese-Canadians, haven't managed to impose their cultural beliefs, or their rather admirable family values, on the rest of us, despite having a population 3 or 4 times higher than Arab-Canadians. The patriarchal society of India hasn't been imported into Canadian society by the over one-million Indo-Canadians - again, three or four times the number of Arab Canadians currently in Canada. The fear that bringing in refugees is somehow going to increase misogyny in Canada is an unreasonable fear, hence the words 'xenophobic' and 'islamaphobic'. If so ridiculous, why do the Canadian cultural police live in constant fear of being overwhelmed by the United States to the point of erecting discriminatory, legal barriers ? Becoming "Americanized" is a constant refrain in Canadian media. What is the equivalent phobia name for this cultural fear ? Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) Identifying a perpetrator is necessary. Identifying their ethnicity and/or religion isn't necessary, unless one wants to use it to "prove" that any person of that ethnicity or religion must also be guilty of the same behavior. On the contrary, since the discussion in on the made-up word "Islamophobia" then whether or not it is 'phobic' to be wary about Islam is central to the discussion. That means bringing out cultural behaviours which are central to Islam which many regard as antithetical to our modern, secular values. If Islam is dangerous to those, then there is no phobia, and people are only wary about Islam for very good and sound reasons. There is a good deal of evidence to suggest misogynistic behaviour, and in particular violence and sexual violence against women and children, are deeply embedded in the culture and value systems of many Muslim nations (if not all of them). So knowing the background of the attackers is evidence of whether importing large numbers of such people into our society introduces a new and dangerous element with regard to the safety of women and girls. If it does, then again, there is no phobia, just common sense. Your assertion that these were all Muslim refugees is wrong. Of the 66 people implicated, only 22 have been confirmed as refugees so far. No doubt, more refugees are among the 44 still not identified, but so might more Germans and maybe even more Americans be found. There's no way of us knowing whether those "germans" are Muslims, as well, who simply came over several years ago and are now German citizens. Some of these asylum seekers, immigrants and citizens might even be Christian or atheist. Extremely unlikely from what I've read. There are virtually no atheists in that region, and Syrian Christians don't hang around with Muslims. You don't know, and blaming it all on Muslim refugees clearly shows bias. According to the victims the men were of Arab and North African descent, whether they came over this year or five years ago. Assuming things not proven, blaming an entire group for the actions of a few, and pretending you (we) are morally or culturally superior is what is dangerous. We ARE morally superior. Not on an individual basis, but on a sociocultural level. All countries, cultures and religions engage in similar behaviors, to a greater or lesser degree; Mostly much lesser. we have no moral standing to judge the Middle East, but only the moral obligation to show them - by example - what is possible. That's paternalistic garbage. You think they don't already see what is 'possible'. And what do they think of our culture? They universally disapprove of it. They think lead immoral lifestyles and are degenerate and depraved. They know, you see, that you don't let gays marry, you kill them out of hand, and you certainly don't engage in sex outside of marriage, or let women wander around on their own, much less in bikinis. Their assessment of what they see of us is based on what the Koran tells them is a moral lifestyle, you see. Edited January 11, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 It doesn't take much in Western society for violent elements to get out of hand, it can be something as innocuous as the home team losing, to a severe natural disaster. Crimes of violence and of opportunity, including sexual assault, rise with very little provocation. And then they smash a few windows and sometimes burn a car. They don't slaughter members of minority groups and burn down their street or engage in gang rape as we see happening in Muslim countries. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hal 9000 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 The people who perpetrated the crime, according to reports, were displaced, with the exception of two (or more?) German and American citizens. Not that the whole area was in the midst of civil unrest. \ Yes, and Vancouver and area still enjoys a *Canadian* system of laws and culture. We get all kinds of *Canadian* Stat holidays, we have all kinds of Canadian *equality* for women, we can have as many Canadian kids as we want, we can all say what we want with the exception of things designated as hate speech. So, just because we have a high concentration of Asian people in the area, I see not one iota of evidence that our "Canadian" way of life is gone or even in danger of being subsumed by Asian culture. First off,there were 1000 men involved and we're hearing about 50 odd people, so we don't really know how many were refugees and how many were already muslim germans. Second, how come it was convenient for you people to point out that the terrorists in France were french citizens, now it seems to work in your favour that that the rapists were "displaced". What I'm hearing is that there doesn't seem to be much to differentiate home grown muslims from displaced muslims.. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
dialamah Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 If so ridiculous, why do the Canadian cultural police live in constant fear of being overwhelmed by the United States to the point of erecting discriminatory, legal barriers ? Becoming "Americanized" is a constant refrain in Canadian media. What is the equivalent phobia name for this cultural fear ? That's a good question, and I'm not really up on why some people feel this way. But my sense is that in Canada, it's an objection mainly to the violence often shown on American media. I also think that the same media shows other countries what American democracy and freedom looks like (sort of), and that can influence a desire and drive for change in those countries. Perhaps some other countries would prefer not to have American ideals of freedom and democracy delivered to their citizens? I'm not sure how much influence American culture has on the countries it's exported to, however. While Canada has been exposed to American violence in the media for decades, violence here doesn't seem to have risen dramatically; it's actually declined over the past 30 years according to statistics. Perhaps exposure to different cultures can provide ideas, but not assimilation. I think the ideas would have to take root as desires among a great many people before they'd have the ability to 'change' a culture.
dialamah Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 First off,there were 1000 men involved and we're hearing about 50 odd people, so we don't really know how many were refugees and how many were already muslim germans. True, we don't have that information. As far as I know, we don't even know if all these people were Muslim. Although to support your guilty-by-association campaign, it would be ideal if the American identified was also a Muslim. Second, how come it was convenient for you people to point out that the terrorists in France were french citizens, now it seems to work in your favour that that the rapists were "displaced". What I'm hearing is that there doesn't seem to be much to differentiate home grown muslims from displaced muslims.. Yup, they were different situations, I agree. And I still say that 50 or 100 people, out of one million, is a pretty small percentage. And that Europe as a whole is facing an entirely different situation than is Canada. And that out of 1.5 Billion people worldwide, the percentage of violent assholes is not very high, probably not any higher than the percentage of violent assholes among non-Muslim people. But I know that makes no difference to you - the noseeum looks like a horsefly, and the horsefly looks like a horse - be afraid, be very afraid.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 That's a good question, and I'm not really up on why some people feel this way. But my sense is that in Canada, it's an objection mainly to the violence often shown on American media. I also think that the same media shows other countries what American democracy and freedom looks like (sort of), and that can influence a desire and drive for change in those countries. Perhaps some other countries would prefer not to have American ideals of freedom and democracy delivered to their citizens? I'm not sure how much influence American culture has on the countries it's exported to, however. While Canada has been exposed to American violence in the media for decades, violence here doesn't seem to have risen dramatically; it's actually declined over the past 30 years according to statistics. Perhaps exposure to different cultures can provide ideas, but not assimilation. I think the ideas would have to take root as desires among a great many people before they'd have the ability to 'change' a culture. I think you are right. While there are a number of cultural differences we aren't really afraid of, but just don't want here, the 800 lb gorilla in the room is the violence. Especially when you can see just from this forum that the apparent attempt to deal with said violence is to simply get more guns on the street whilst ranting on nonsense about their 2nd amendment. Rome is burning while Nero is fiddling. I think we know better north of the 49th.
dialamah Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 On the contrary, since the discussion in on the made-up word "Islamophobia" then whether or not it is 'phobic' to be wary about Islam is central to the discussion. That means bringing out cultural behaviours which are central to Islam which many regard as antithetical to our modern, secular values. If Islam is dangerous to those, then there is no phobia, and people are only wary about Islam for very good and sound reasons. There is a good deal of evidence to suggest misogynistic behaviour, and in particular violence and sexual violence against women and children, are deeply embedded in the culture and value systems of many Muslim nations (if not all of them). Only by those who refuse to accept any evidence that Muslims, as a group, do not condone violence against women or anyone else, do not support pedophilia and do not support terrorism. You busily quote BS stats to support how 'awful' Muslims are; you deny the Muslims who are also victimized by extremists, you deny the Muslims who speak out against terrorism, you deny the Muslims who are working for change within and outside of their countries. You have consistently denied any proof that Muslims are not a one-size-fits all philosophy, lifestyle or culture. If it doesn't fit your preferred "Islam is evil" narrative, you simply say "NO". We ARE morally superior. Not on an individual basis, but on a sociocultural level. Yes, as the drones we send maim children, as the bombs we drop kill families. Morally superior us - kill from afar, use our superior weaponry, claim the "other guy" is wrong when he fights back in the only way open to him. We are SO superior, yup. But of course, you'll deny we've ever hurt any non-combatant with drone or bomb, because that would involve taking some responsibility for the mess over there, wouldn't it? And the Argus's of this world couldn't do that! We MUST be perfect, else how could we sit in judgement over others? How could we possibly set ourselves up as judges/jury, deliver the guilty verdict, if we ever admitted our own faults?
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 That's a good question, and I'm not really up on why some people feel this way. But my sense is that in Canada, it's an objection mainly to the violence often shown on American media..... Thank you for considering the dichotomy....the seeming Canadian acceptance and embrace of refugees and other emigres for a multicultural mix (including real violence, not just in media) but strident and official barriers to American culture (e.g. CRTC). If there isn't and should be no fear of Islamic, Chinese, or Indian impacts on Canadian culture, why are the Americans singled out? If it's because they do have a significant impact, then other possible cultural influences can not be so easily dismissed. Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 True, we don't have that information. As far as I know, we don't even know if all these people were Muslim. Although to support your guilty-by-association campaign, it would be ideal if the American identified was also a Muslim. Yup, they were different situations, I agree. And I still say that 50 or 100 people, out of one million, is a pretty small percentage. And that Europe as a whole is facing an entirely different situation than is Canada. And that out of 1.5 Billion people worldwide, the percentage of violent assholes is not very high, probably not any higher than the percentage of violent assholes among non-Muslim people. But I know that makes no difference to you - the noseeum looks like a horsefly, and the horsefly looks like a horse - be afraid, be very afraid. The silent majority is not the problem - It never is. What were the numbers of people at the NYE celebration in Cologne? The percentage of Muslims was pretty high I would assume if the police were too afraid to intervene. It doesn't matter how many Muslims are in the world, what matters is how many it takes to cause a problem like what we saw in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Sweden. You're trying to claim the there is no cultural difference, but it just doesn't make any sense. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
dialamah Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) Thank you for considering the dichotomy....the seeming Canadian acceptance and embrace of refugees and other emigres for a multicultural mix (including real violence, not just in media) but strident and official barriers to American culture (e.g. CRTC). If there isn't and should be no fear of Islamic, Chinese, or Indian impacts on Canadian culture, why are the Americans singled out? If it's because they do have a significant impact, then other possible cultural influences can not be so easily dismissed. I do not know why America is singled out, do you want me to guess? If I were to guess, I'd say it has to do with the fact that in some ways, American and Canadian culture are already very similar, almost indistinguishable. We are less violent overall, so far our income inequality isn't as severe as the States, and we're a little less militant overall, whether it's militancy directed toward the poor, minorities or other parts of the world. So maybe the fear is that the cultural line between our countries is already blurred, and we're afraid of losing the last vestiges of 'difference'? Other cultures, however, are different enough that it's easy to see where they are 'different' so there isn't the same fear of not even being able to recognize when the line might be crossed. But as I say, that's only a guess. Perhaps someone who does fear the incursion of American culture into Canada could give a better answer. Edited January 11, 2016 by dialamah
tworivers Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/calgary/ten-x-nightclub-shooting-1.3397548#commentwrapper http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-police-chief-constable-speaks-on-hate-motivated-pepper-spray-incident-1.3397228?__vfz=profile_comment%3D10131300002215#vf-4985700002270 As I was saying just a week ago , multiculturalism is a huge failure. This will only get worse unless the political correctness goes away and we can have an open conversation about the values , history and who we are in Canada. We are not the middle east or a Muslim country, Canada has been hijacked because of people wanting to look so kind in the eyes of the world and now the truth is so distorted that even mentioning another culture is forbidden and people here have had enough. If you want to come here 1. English and French are the languages...PERIOD. 2. Canada has a history and it should be compulsory for schools to teach that as it was not that long ago. 3. Equality is for everyone just not ethnic groups who use this to leverage their agenda here in this country. 4. Religion is not law here and never will be. I know there are more but this would be a good start. I have never seen tension like this here and if the bleeding hearts continue to bully others with the racist card this will only escalate and it will be made in Canada and I am sure when it happens it will be a surprise to the bleeding hearts when in reality they don't see what is right in front of them just like the invisible homeless now.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Thank you for considering the dichotomy....the seeming Canadian acceptance and embrace of refugees and other emigres for a multicultural mix (including real violence, not just in media) but strident and official barriers to American culture (e.g. CRTC). If there isn't and should be no fear of Islamic, Chinese, or Indian impacts on Canadian culture, why are the Americans singled out? If it's because they do have a significant impact, then other possible cultural influences can not be so easily dismissed. The US and Canada are already and have been for some time closely engaged. We speak the same language, share the worlds longest undefended border and all that. We have soe serious differences in foreign policy though, and the violence you speak of isn't just on the media, it's on your streets so we would prefer to keep it and all those guns off ours. And we try not to become obese watching brain dead soap operas. It's not really a dichotomy, but rather a different set of values.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 ...But as I say, that's only a guess. Perhaps someone who does fear the incursion of American culture into Canada could give a better answer. Fair answer...I just wanted to pose this larger question in the context of this Islamophobia thread, and why the political and cultural rejection are perceived as different, at least officially. Arguably, the United States has far more experience with Islam and its cultural ramifications. There are more mosques in NYC than in all of Canada. Economics trumps Virtue.
dialamah Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 You're trying to claim the there is no cultural difference, but it just doesn't make any sense. I think that as far as humans are concerned, I don't think there is much difference, you are correct. I think there is a problem with terrorists worldwide. I think Europe has a serious problem with the number of refugees coming into their countries. I think there is a problem with refugees worldwide. I don't see this as simplistically an "Islamic" problem, and object to that characterization. The charge is made that Islamists have been fighting among themselves for 700 years, and fighting others for as long. Yet, we in the Western world have also been fighting among ourselves and with others for as long: two world wars, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan. Farther back, we fought the British, and we fought the Americans. Before that, Europeans had constant wars, and how long exactly did the Protestants and Catholics fight each other in Ireland? How can we claim, with a straight face, that any other country or culture surpasses us in violent behavior? Still, in between our various wars, we've had decades of peace from time to time. The same has happened in the Middle East, and among Islamic countries, they've had both wars and periods of peace. Another charge leveled against the "Muslim culture" is that of misogyny and lack of rights for gays/transgendered persons. It's true, but it's also true that in our culture and despite the efforts made, we still experience misogynistic attitudes and behavior. We still have issues related to discrimination of gays and of transgendered persons. I agree that we are much more tolerant/accepting than Middle Eastern countries, but such people still have a pretty hard row to hoe. And, in these Middle Eastern (and other) countries, it's not just the Muslims who embrace these beliefs, but Christians and certain Jews as well. There are also many people - Christian, Muslim and Jews - who believe in and work toward gender equality, who do not accept a culture of misogyny and discrimination, who promote tolerance and acceptance whenever they can. An example is Egypt, which is currently running a public relations campaign to reduce tensions between Coptic Christians and Muslims, and Sisi who has, for the second year in a row, gone to a Coptic Church for a Christmas mass. Unfortunately, terrorists and alarmists make the efforts of these people that much harder.
Hal 9000 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) Dialamah - Do you have any idea how hard it would be for me to scare up 35 men who would be willing to sexually assault and mug young girls in the street, let alone 1000? Edited January 11, 2016 by Hal 9000 The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
dialamah Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Dialamah - Do you have any idea how hard it would be for me to scare up 35 men who would be willing to sexually assault and mug young girls in the street, let alone 1000? Where do you get '1000' men groping and robbing women? From: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cologne-assaults-1.3397483 Authorities and witnesses say the attackers were among about 1,000 people, mostly men, gathered at Cologne's central train station, some of whom broke off into small groups that groped and robbed women.
eyeball Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 If so ridiculous, why do the Canadian cultural police live in constant fear of being overwhelmed by the United States to the point of erecting discriminatory, legal barriers ? Becoming "Americanized" is a constant refrain in Canadian media. What is the equivalent phobia name for this cultural fear ? Mostly just industrial trade protectionism that everyone on the planet does - a phobia related to money. That's pretty universal too. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Hal 9000 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Where do you get '1000' men groping and robbing women? From: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cologne-assaults-1.3397483 http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/robyn-urback-on-the-mass-sex-attack-in-cologne-this-is-rape-culture This is part of the reason why the incident in Cologne was so alarming: it happened in a public square with thousands of people, at one of the largest public gatherings of the year. The perpetrators — as many as 1,000 men, described as drunk and aggressive, reportedly of Arab or North African descent There also seems to be over 500 complaints in Cologne and over 130 in Hamburg The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
dialamah Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/robyn-urback-on-the-mass-sex-attack-in-cologne-this-is-rape-culture This is part of the reason why the incident in Cologne was so alarming: it happened in a public square with thousands of people, at one of the largest public gatherings of the year. The perpetrators — as many as 1,000 men, described as drunk and aggressive, reportedly of Arab or North African descent There also seems to be over 500 complaints in Cologne and over 130 in Hamburg I can't access National Post. I do wonder why, if there were so many people and so many perpetrators, why no witnesses are reported to have helped the victims or tried to detain the attackers. I hope this article overstates the actual number of perpetrators, although 40 men managing to harass/attack 300+ people stretches credibility.
kimmy Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 I can't access National Post. I do wonder why, if there were so many people and so many perpetrators, why no witnesses are reported to have helped the victims or tried to detain the attackers. I hope this article overstates the actual number of perpetrators, although 40 men managing to harass/attack 300+ people stretches credibility. 40 is the number of suspects they have been able to identify so far, not the total number. The leaked police report had police officers estimating the crowd as being over 1000. And not all 300+ victims were attacked at the same time. They weren't traveling as a group of 300+ women. The attackers, in groups of a couple dozen or so, encircled small groups of women, preventing them from escaping. Why didn't anybody help? Have you ever tried to confront a mob of 1000 people? Police were on the scene, and tried to help, and were simply unable to get through the mob to help people. Also worth mention that this didn't just happen in Cologne, although that seems to be the largest incident. Several other German cities had similar incidents, as did Helsinki, Zurich, Salzburg Austria, and Kalmar Sweden. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
dialamah Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 40 is the number of suspects they have been able to identify so far, not the total number. The leaked police report had police officers estimating the crowd as being over 1000. And not all 300+ victims were attacked at the same time. They weren't traveling as a group of 300+ women. The attackers, in groups of a couple dozen or so, encircled small groups of women, preventing them from escaping. Why didn't anybody help? Have you ever tried to confront a mob of 1000 people? Police were on the scene, and tried to help, and were simply unable to get through the mob to help people. Also worth mention that this didn't just happen in Cologne, although that seems to be the largest incident. Several other German cities had similar incidents, as did Helsinki, Zurich, Salzburg Austria, and Kalmar Sweden. -k I'm still reading conflicting reports, so really don't want to argue which one is correct. I hope that at some point we get a coherent and believable explanation of what happened, if and how it was organized.
Argus Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 Only by those who refuse to accept any evidence that Muslims, as a group, do not condone violence against women or anyone else, do not support pedophilia and do not support terrorism. What evidence? I've previously pointed out the Sharia law on rape which is either used or is a guide in almost all Muslim countries, and the fact that, unlike in the West, Muslim countries make it extremely difficult to report sexual assault against women and children, with no specialized legislation, investigative units or protections. I've supplied numerous cites listing mass sexual attacks by Muslims on women and children. Your assertions that Muslims, as a group, do not condone violence against women and children are nothing more than your personal opinion, with nothing to back them up. You busily quote BS stats to support how 'awful' Muslims are; Why are they BS? Because you don't like the answers. Is UNICEF a BS group? A study on gender violence found 90% of Jordanians find wife beating acceptable. And as I said, they are one of the more 'moderate' Arab states. Yes, as the drones we send maim children, as the bombs we drop kill families. Morally superior us - kill from afar, use our superior weaponry, claim the "other guy" is wrong when he fights back in the only way open to him. We are SO superior, yup. Anyone thinking otherwise is morally bankrupt. Yes, drones mistakenly kill children on occasion, but your statement above is also a blatant intellectual fraud in that you ignore why we are over there and pretend they are merely "defending themselves"! You ignore that the wars were inspired by terrorist attacks on the West, that nations in that region have long supported terrorist attacks on the West, and that most of their attacks are directed at civilians, deliberately directed at civilians. That is an entirely different moral level than fighting a war and accidentally killing civilians. I also note that you are ignoring the fact that even the UN concedes the vast majority of civilian casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, are killed by Muslim insurgents, not Western forces. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 I can't access National Post. I do wonder why, if there were so many people and so many perpetrators, why no witnesses are reported to have helped the victims or tried to detain the attackers. I hope this article overstates the actual number of perpetrators, although 40 men managing to harass/attack 300+ people stretches credibility. You can't access National Post? Why? Are you in another country or something, one with strict censorship rules? Maybe a Muslim country? Here. How about the BBC? The men suspected of attacking women in Cologne on New Year's Eve were "almost exclusively" from a migration background, mainly North African and Arab, an official report says. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35280386 His report details how a group of around 1,000 men of North African and Arabic origin gathered in the area on the evening of 31 December. From this large group, smaller groups of men formed, who then surrounded women and threatened and attacked them, he said. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted January 11, 2016 Report Posted January 11, 2016 If you think non Muslim child predators are isolated you've never heard about the Australians that visit the Philippines annually. A US ambassador once concluded that 60% of the over 4 million Aussies who travel there do so specifically for sex, and often they prefer very young girls as well as boys. We could then go on to Thailand and then Viet Nam, but you get the picture. There's no religious text telling them to do that. Just their brain and other part.
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