WestCanMan Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 I don't find it a stretch for right-wing extremists to lie through their teeth at all. Do you have a crystal ball eyeball? Can you sit at your computer desk and discern the truth from 8,000 miles away? Or are you just suffering from delusions of grandeur? If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
eyeball Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Do you have a crystal ball eyeball? No, I have a bullshit filter. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Smoke Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 It's January 6th and not a single charge stemming yet out of the 100 or more attacks by 1000 organized perpetrators? I think I'm pretty safe in calling bullshit. Oh! then it's settled. The attacks never happened. This is great news! Phew!!! We don't have to worry about extreme islam anymore. Thanks Eyeball!
Big Guy Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 I made my point that we shouldn't have been blindly supporting the Israelis no matter what atrocities they committed for all these years in my first 30 posts here. I even sent a letter to my my MP back when Harper was the chief. That's another story. ... Some people try so hard to be more politically correct than anyone else that they throw common sense and objectivity out the window in favour of a blind obsession with standing on soapboxes expressing the most liberal viewpoint they can dream up at every turn. I don't have much respect for those kinds of opinions, I don't think those people do enough research or put enough actual thought into the things that they say. Personally, I try to listen to everything that people say - once. Then I make up my own mind and continue from that point. There is a counter argument to every one of your points and they have already been presented in this thread. I have nothing more to add to our exchange of ideas. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 However I don't see why that means the average German on the street should tolerate such overwhelming numbers of people coming into the country if this is the result. Why isn't putting a moratorium, or at least a cap on the number, an option? My understanding of his belief is that everything bad which happens there is the fault of the West, and therefore, whatever bad happens to westerners is our own fault and we deserve it. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Oh! then it's settled. The attacks never happened. This is great news! Phew!!! We don't have to worry about extreme islam anymore. Thanks Eyeball! Oh it sounds like something happened alright, just not the Islamic Kristallnacht you're breathlessly imaging. Still no charges, how does one explain that? 1000 organized attackers? Left-wing conspiracies involving a cover up by the media, police and government? It's all just a little too over the top no matter which way you look at it. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Oh it sounds like something happened alright, just not the Islamic Kristallnacht you're breathlessly imaging. Still no charges, how does one explain that? 1000 organized attackers? Left-wing conspiracies involving a cover up by the media, police and government? It's all just a little too over the top no matter which way you look at it. Easily! First off, the police have a hard time placing charges when an entire group is at work. Eg. MC clubs and rioters. Also, politics - does the "Time - person of the year" want to admit that the Germans have made a huge mistake in their open boarders immigration policy? I think not! Merkel's decisions have made victims out of 125 german women - the optics aren't good. P.S - It makes more sense than 125 right wing women getting together and staging sexual abuse, robbery and assault. Edited January 7, 2016 by Hal 9000 The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hudson Jones Posted January 7, 2016 Author Report Posted January 7, 2016 Every step of the way, people who questioned the wisdom of bringing in large numbers of people from socially backwards lands have been met with accusations of Islamophobia. And in response to this incident that illustrates the dangers of bringing in large numbers of people from socially backwards lands, the response is "hey man, that's not Islam's fault, its just that these people are from socially backwards lands." This was my complaint all along. -k I'm not sure why the information that myself and some others here are sharing is not penetrating into your train of thoughts. I'm not sure if it's me and I'm not explaining it clearly or if it's a problem with you not being able to grasp the big problem with your approach and view of the situation. You are generalizing in a very big way. Nothing has been proven about the identity and the number of people, but for the sake of argument, let`s say that there were a few hundred people from North Africa, who are Muslim and who made the decision to go on a groping spree during New Year's in Germany. How are these hundreds of people representatives of billions of Muslims in the world? How about the millions of Muslims in Germany? How are these North Africans representatives of Turks? How are they representatives of Iranians? How are they representative of Indonesians? How are they even representatives of millions of North Africans? It's like saying all Catholics are child rapists, because there is a percentage of priests who engage in raping children. Or it's like saying all white people are racist trash, because we have Donald Trump and his supporters. When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
dialamah Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 It's like saying all Catholics are child rapists, because there is a percentage of priests who engage in raping children. Or it's like saying all white people are racist trash, because we have Donald Trump and his supporters. Or like saying that because thousands of men from Canada, the US, the UK and Australia travel as sex tourists to poor, backwards countries to engage in pedophilia, it means that all men from these countries are incipient pedophiles and are just waiting for 'the urge'. It's not true, it unfairly paints all men with the same ugly brush, and it also does nothing to solve the problem of sex tourists targeting kids in impoverished countries.
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 You guys constantly say, "It could've whites"or "it could've been Christians/Catholics", but it's not - Is it? No, it's muslims...again. Did you know or suspect that it was gonna be muslims before you read the whole article? Sadly, I did! Tell me Dialamah, are you OK with what happened in Germany? Are you really gonna just shrug your shoulders and make some inept attempt to correlate it to sex tourism. Your sister married a muslim, they're very happy, I get it. But you can't just dismiss 125 women getting sexually abused in one night....can you? The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
eyeball Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 You guys constantly say, "It could've whites"or "it could've been Christians/Catholics", but it's not - Is it? Yes it is, as we speak, in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, all sorts of places where kids are easily and sexually exploited. We facilitate it with travel bargains and air miles. Our civilized culture is the sickest one on the planet simply because it knows better than to behave the way it does. It's certainly the most hypocritical when it singles others out fur their debauchery. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
dialamah Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Tell me Dialamah, are you OK with what happened in Germany? Are you really gonna just shrug your shoulders and make some inept attempt to correlate it to sex tourism. In my view, and I've said it before, what happened in Germany was a crime and I hope the perpetrators are caught and punished. Men from rich, predominantly white Christian countries traveling to countries where poverty and ignorance makes children available for sex is just as unacceptable, to me. Are you seriously going to try to tell me that the activities of less than 1% of all Muslims means that all Muslims in the world are suspect, while also holding that the activities of less than 1% of white Christian men does not make all white Christian men suspect? Do you think that crime committed by a Muslim is more blameworthy than crime committed by a Western person? Yes, every time someone calls Muslims inherently violent, backward, stone-age and not to be trusted, you are talking about my sister and her Muslim family. And, you are also talking about 1.5 billion other people just like them. People who hate/fear TERRORISTS as much as you seem to hate and fear MUSLIMS. So yeah, every time someone here says or implies that what *some* Muslims do is indicative of what *all* Muslims would like to do I will remind you that there are violent Whites, Christians and Westerners that are no better than the violent Muslim criminals, and that those violent, criminal, White Christian Westerners do not reflect the majority of the White Christian Westerners in the world. You stop acting like being Muslim is a crime in itself, and I'll quit reminding you that the criminal and inhumane actions of a MINORITY of any group does not make everyone in that group criminal or inhumane, regardless of whether the group in question is Muslims, Christians, Priests, or white Western males. It has nothing to do with dismissing or supporting criminal acts, violent acts or extreme acts, and everything to do with objecting to bigotry and xenophobia.
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Yes it is, as we speak, in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, all sorts of places where kids are easily and sexually exploited. We facilitate it with travel bargains and air miles. Our civilized culture is the sickest one on the planet simply because it knows better than to behave the way it does. It's certainly the most hypocritical when it singles others out fur their debauchery. Whew, you guys were finally able to generate a straw man that could relieve you from the actual truth of the actual situation that we're talking about - close one! The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
On Guard for Thee Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Whew, you guys were finally able to generate a straw man that could relieve you from the actual truth of the actual situation that we're talking about - close one! Except it's not a straw man. If you have traveled a bit you might know better.
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 In my view, and I've said it before, what happened in Germany was a crime and I hope the perpetrators are caught and punished. Men from rich, predominantly white Christian countries traveling to countries where poverty and ignorance makes children available for sex is just as unacceptable, to me. Are you seriously going to try to tell me that the activities of less than 1% of all Muslims means that all Muslims in the world are suspect, while also holding that the activities of less than 1% of white Christian men does not make all white Christian men suspect? Do you think that crime committed by a Muslim is more blameworthy than crime committed by a Western person? Yes, every time someone calls Muslims inherently violent, backward, stone-age and not to be trusted, you are talking about my sister and her Muslim family. And, you are also talking about 1.5 billion other people just like them. People who hate/fear TERRORISTS as much as you seem to hate and fear MUSLIMS. So yeah, every time someone here says or implies that what *some* Muslims do is indicative of what *all* Muslims would like to do I will remind you that there are violent Whites, Christians and Westerners that are no better than the violent Muslim criminals, and that those violent, criminal, White Christian Westerners do not reflect the majority of the White Christian Westerners in the world. You stop acting like being Muslim is a crime in itself, and I'll quit reminding you that the criminal and inhumane actions of a MINORITY of any group does not make everyone in that group criminal or inhumane, regardless of whether the group in question is Muslims, Christians, Priests, or white Western males. It has nothing to do with dismissing or supporting criminal acts, violent acts or extreme acts, and everything to do with objecting to bigotry and xenophobia. Who gives a crap about percentages. I'm sure it's of no comfort that was only a small percentage of women who were sexually assaulted. I listened to a girl tell that she had 25 men actually chase her down, hold her on the ground, tear off her clothes - grabbing her bits and robbed her. I have no interest in the math involved, what I do know is that it's a similar story as 125 other women on that night. And that's just the ones that got caught. Woman described it as running the gauntlet. This was planned, this was several groups of men planning attacks on young girls. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Except it's not a straw man. If you have traveled a bit you might know better. Well, open a thread on it and I'll probably agree with you on many things. But, this is not that thread. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
dialamah Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Who gives a crap about percentages. I'm sure it's of no comfort that was only a small percentage of women who were sexually assaulted. I listened to a girl tell that she had 25 men actually chase her down, hold her on the ground, tear off her clothes - grabbing her bits and robbed her. I have no interest in the math involved, what I do know is that it's a similar story as 125 other women on that night. And that's just the ones that got caught. Woman described it as running the gauntlet. This was planned, this was several groups of men planning attacks on young girls. A white man sexually assaulted me when I was 12. A white man threatened a family member with hurting her two-year-old child, if she didn't consent to sex. A white man beat up my daughter and grand-daughter, when said grand-daughter was barely six months old. And there are millions of women and children around the world who have been physically and sexually assaulted by white men. So, I say -- no more white men. It doesn't matter that the vast majority of white men would not even think of assaulting a child or women, and would like to kill those guys for what they did -- no white man is safe, and no white man should be trusted. Percentages be damned; it's clear that white men are the problem and need to be kept away from me, my neighborhood, my town, my country. Now go ahead --- substitute "Muslim" for 'White man" in the above paragraph and maybe you'll see why words like 'xenophobia' are used.
eyeball Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) @ Hal, it is when you're a human being and leave all this racist crap behind. It will be in any thread you choose to open on the topic. Edited January 7, 2016 by eyeball I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
WestCoastRunner Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 We don't even know all the facts in this case. Let's take it down a notch. Has anyone been charged yet? We are in Canada. These crimes have been commited in Germany. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 @ Hal, it is when you're a human being and leave all this racist crap behind. It will be in any thread you choose to open on the topic. It's in almost every new thread. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
eyeball Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 And lots of old threads too. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 A white man sexually assaulted me when I was 12. A white man threatened a family member with hurting her two-year-old child, if she didn't consent to sex. A white man beat up my daughter and grand-daughter, when said grand-daughter was barely six months old. And there are millions of women and children around the world who have been physically and sexually assaulted by white men. So, I say -- no more white men. It doesn't matter that the vast majority of white men would not even think of assaulting a child or women, and would like to kill those guys for what they did -- no white man is safe, and no white man should be trusted. Percentages be damned; it's clear that white men are the problem and need to be kept away from me, my neighborhood, my town, my country. Now go ahead --- substitute "Muslim" for 'White man" in the above paragraph and maybe you'll see why words like 'xenophobia' are used. Yes, a white person can do something bad, so can a black, a jew, an asian...or any other person. And, I would agree with you if what happened was simply one muslim man assaulting one woman. What we saw here was a systemic mind set by literally hundreds of men who clearly all think the same way. When has a group of 25 white guys (or blacks, asians, jews etc) chased down and sexually assaulted a girl...Let alone several groups chasing down several girls in multiple cities. Sorry, this is their "normal". You can call them the 1%, but they're not the radicals, they are the "moderates". They are the "good" ones - the ones we want to bring in. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) We don't even know all the facts in this case. Let's take it down a notch. Has anyone been charged yet? We are in Canada. These crimes have been commited in Germany. I don't think anyone has been charged, and I doubt there will be charges (unless actual semen is found on a girl). That's the problem. For various reasons, they'll get away with it. These ba%+Erds will actually get away with sexually assaulting women in the streets of Germany in front on thousands of people. Edited January 7, 2016 by Hal 9000 The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
WestCoastRunner Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) I don't think anyone has been charged, and I doubt there will be charges (unless actual semen is found on a girl). That's the problem. For various reasons, they'll get away with it. These ba%+Erds will actually get away with sexually assaulting women in the streets of Germany in front on thousands of people. How on earth do you know? You don't live there. Are you privy to the goings on there?Honestly, this is just ridiculous. Edited January 7, 2016 by WestCoastRunner I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hal 9000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) How on earth do you know? You don't live there. Are you privy to the goings on there? Honestly, this is just ridiculous. I know because i've already seen the interviews with the politicians and police trying to worm out of it. At best they'll say it was just some every day robberies (because, y'know they're just poor people that need money for food) and steer as far away from the sexual assault and rape allegations as possible. By saying it's ridiculous, are you saying that you expect charges or that you simply don't believe the women? Edited January 7, 2016 by Hal 9000 The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
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