Big Guy Posted November 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I have been watching the CNN series called "The Sixties". The one I was watching was "The Vietnam War". It was a perfect template for Iraq and Afghanistan. I would recommend everyone to see what the governments were saying, what the governments were thinking and what the governments were doing - three very different processes. The theory and logic that caused this fiasco is also being applied to the war against ISIS. The comparison makes one ashamed at how little we seem to learn from history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 OK eyeball, your right , and i'm wrong.....that is what you want to hear is it not.....No it's what the Muslim world needs to hear from the West's leaders. These scumbags are cutting off heads because of the US and it's aggressive policies in the middle east......they are killing anyone who is not of the same color , race, or religious beliefs because of the US...if it can be boiled down to these simple facts then the sky is rosey in your world....Your deliberate omission takes simplicity to a disingenuous extreme. The West's policies are creating a failed region and ideal conditions for a few scumbags to thrive in. In my world regardless of who created them, they are here and the only way to make them stop, is with force.....They figure they way to stop us is for us to do just that. I hate to say I think they're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 ....The comparison makes one ashamed at how little we seem to learn from history. Why? It's American history that you get to watch on American television. All is well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Obama rightfully so sat back on this one. Turkey's Erdogan took down a Russian bomber attacking pro Erdogan anti Assad forces. Period. Turkey is also as reports indicate, bringing in black market oil from ISIL captured oil wells in Syria that Russia is bombing. It aint rocket science. Erdogan is pro Sunni extremists. One only need look at the terrorist cells he calls allies operating out of Ankara. Erdogan played tough guy with Putin now we watch. Both politicians are similiar in psychological profile. Macho posturing, inflated egos, narcissism driven agendas. They deserve each other. Then yesterday the EEC announces it is paying Turkey billions to keep refugees in Turkey and letting it join the EEC? Coincidence? Erdogan is about as popular in Europe as the plague. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted December 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Thanks to Iraq, this war is over for Canada. The leader of Iraq has stated that it does not require any additional troops to deal with ISIS and anyone wanting in this war has to clear it with Iraq. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/usa-special-forces-iraq-151201160932529.html Iraq has said that any deployment of foreign troops on its soil cannot happen without approval of its government. Iraqi prime minister's comments came in repsonse to the earlier announcement by the United States Defense Secretary Ashton Carter that the US will deploy "specialised" troops to Iraq to help fight the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL) group."We do not need foreign ground combat forces on Iraqi land," Abadi said in a statement on Tuesday. "The Iraqi government stresses that any military operation or the deployment of any foreign forces - special or not - in any place in Iraq cannot happen without its approval and coordination and full respect of Iraqi sovereignty." OK American coalition - hear this! Iraq has the situation well in hand. Time to go home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) OK American coalition - hear this! Iraq has the situation well in hand. Time to go home! Well in hand...lol. The Iraqi Army sure can run. Edited December 2, 2015 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Iraq could also just be politely signalling that there are other things in the world that are just as bad as ISIL. They probably know better than anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted December 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Just watched the documentary Episode 19 Frontine - Inside Assad's Syria. A very informative and interesting insight inot what is really happening on the ground. Well worth seeing by those focussing on Middle East problems: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/inside-assads-syria/ Edited December 2, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted December 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 The process of trying to win a military victory against ISIS continues to soilidify and feed the ISIS hydra: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/iraq-sunnis-suffer-abuse-areas-isil-151204113537273.html Sunni Muslims are facing forced evictions, abductions, and other serious human rights abuses in areas of Iraq freed from Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) control, the United Nations said on Friday. Analysts have warned that Sunni Arabs are being discriminated against in Iraq by either the Shia-led government in Baghdad or Kurdish forces in the north, helping to radicalise communities and setting back efforts to defeat ISIL. The more we get involved in this series of civil wars the more we agitate those issues that had created it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted December 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I was watching a documentary about the latest events in the Middle East. It was centered on Afghanistan where six Taliban were strung up and executed. Another twelve Taliban were blindfolded, made to kneel on explosives and blown into soggy bits. Good news? Yes ad No. Good that a few fewer Taliban around but bad news in that it was ISIS doing the killing! http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/isis-in-afghanistan/ The results of our tactics and strategy in the Middle East has led to ISIS fully entrenched in Iraq and Syria and now expanding into Afghanistan and other surrounding regions. Many Taliban are switching sides to join what they consider a winner and who pays a lot better. Looks like the “scumbags and murderers” Taliban will be our friends in our fight against ISIS. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/isis-spreads-to-afghanistan-as-1600-militants-pledge-allegiance-to-terror-group-a6761591.html Anybody still think it was a good idea to go into Afghanistan and now bombing Iraq and Syria these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 ...Anybody still think it was a good idea to go into Afghanistan and now bombing Iraq and Syria these days? Yes....Germany and United Kingdom just joined the party...these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Who would like to take a stab (lol) at describing who The Mahdi is and his significance? Both historical and theological. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 It's the same sort of hooey the End of Days crowd spews. What the hell is an apparently avid atheist like you doing weighing the pros and cons of two completely crazy-assed beliefs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 It's the same sort of hooey the End of Days crowd spews. What the hell is an apparently avid atheist like you doing weighing the pros and cons of two completely crazy-assed beliefs? In fairness, it's no crazier than the madness spouted by the NRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) It's the same sort of hooey the End of Days crowd spews. What the hell is an apparently avid atheist like you doing weighing the pros and cons of two completely crazy-assed beliefs? Atheists are lower than polytheists on the ladder of worthiness re: Islam. Has anybody ever claimed to be The Mahdi? Is there anything preventing another? Edited December 6, 2015 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Atheists are lower than polytheists on the ladder of worthiness re: Islam. Has anybody ever claimed to be The Mahdi? Is there anything preventing another? Why don't you just tell us and why you think it's important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Why don't you just tell us and why you think it's important. No...that's no fun. It's much more fun when you try to explain things rather than me replying to my own posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Until and unless the major players in the region (Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran) are prepared to get serious about trying to fix the underlying issues, the west and Russia should pack up and leave. It's amazing the West is doing most of the outsider fighting, when ie: S.Arabia and Turkey have far more to win/lose based on what's happening in Syria. They'll do their covert games but like wtf, we're doing their fighting for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) It's amazing the West is doing most of the outsider fighting, when ie: S.Arabia and Turkey have far more to win/lose based on what's happening in Syria. They'll do their covert games but like wtf, we're doing their fighting for them. Turkey and Saudi Arabia have been supporting ISIS for years. Turkey likes the fact it destabilizes its neighbors, and Saudi Arabia, well, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the Islamic beliefs of the Saudis and ISIS. In fact, ISIS follows the Saudi Wahabi school of ultra-orthodox Islam. The Saudis have spent tens of billions spreading the message of Wahabi Islam across the world. The modern extremist is a product of their efforts. Edited December 6, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 No...that's no fun. It's much more fun when you try to explain things rather than me replying to my own posts.You'll need fresher bait than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Turkey and Saudi Arabia have been supporting ISIS for years. Turkey likes the fact it destabilizes its neighbors, and Saudi Arabia, well, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the Islamic believers of the Saudis and ISIS. In fact, ISIS follows the Saudi Wahabi school of ultra-orthodox Islam. The Saudis have spent tens of billions spreading the message of Wahabi Islam across the world. The modern extremist is a product of their efforts. Where's Eisenhower when you need him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Turkey and Saudi Arabia have been supporting ISIS for years. Turkey likes the fact it destabilizes its neighbors, and Saudi Arabia, well, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the Islamic beliefs of the Saudis and ISIS. In fact, ISIS follows the Saudi Wahabi school of ultra-orthodox Islam. The Saudis have spent tens of billions spreading the message of Wahabi Islam across the world. The modern extremist is a product of their efforts. But Turkey is part of NATO. So by default NATO has been supporting terrorism and ISIS. How do we resolve that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 But Turkey is part of NATO. So by default NATO has been supporting terrorism and ISIS. How do we resolve that? I would personally like to see Turkey expelled from NATO as I believe it's anti-democratic Islamist government is not our Allie in anything but name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 I would personally like to see Turkey expelled from NATO as I believe it's anti-democratic Islamist government is not our Allie in anything but name.How about if it was an anti-democratic secular government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted December 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) John J. Mearsheimer is an American international relations theorist. He has some interesting observations about the war against ISIS and Israeli policies: "It is also hard to see where we are going to get the troops that would be necessary to topple ISIL. And even if you topple ISIL and inflict a military defeat on it - let's just say the Americans and Europeans put down ground forces and roll up the ISIL military units that now control all that territory in Iraq and Syria - in the end, this will not matter because you cannot defeat an ideology.ISIL fighters will not stand and do battle with the American military. What they will do is melt away into the towns, countryside and cities, and they will come back to fight another day, so there is no military solution to defeating ISIL." He adds some observations of recent moves by Netanyahu: "Obama failed in his attempt to convince the Israelis to accept the two-state solution and, as a result of the ensuing conflict between Obama and Netanyahu over that issue and Iran's nuclear deal, relations between the US and Israel are at an all-time low. I have been an advocate of the two-state solution. It is not the best alternative, but it is a good one. However, I think we are past the point where it is a viable option.There is not going to be a two-state solution. There is now - and will continue to be - a greater Israel, and inside that greater Israel Palestinians will soon outnumber the Israeli Jews. That means you will have an apartheid state. And the important question is whether Israel can maintain itself as an apartheid state in the foreseeable future." http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/isil-won-defeated-151208064707882.html Nothing there with which I disagree. Edited December 8, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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