War Against ISIL

[Rue]

My post to Rue was deleted because it was perceived as feeding a troll. It was reported I guess. Funny really because I end up reporting a few of Rue's posts, and they are still allowed. However, the trolls are never dealt with... only those who take the bait get f'd in the end.

That is not fair at all.

Careful with your comments. Do not assume I reported you. I did not.

[Big Guy]

Good news for the coaition, Iraqi troops have taken back Ramadi, a major center in Iraq that ISIS has controlled for the last 5 months.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/iraqi-army-declares-ramadi-liberated-isil-151228115848808.html

This is the first time Shia troops have taken back Sunni dominated land. This will be a test. To take land is fairly easy, to keep it and have the population on your side is the difficult part. Ramadi now has to be reorganized, all security changed, infrastructure rebuilt, health and social services created etc. If the Shia Iraqis make the same mistake they made the first time, marginalize the majority Sunnis, then ISIS will be back every soon. A successful new governing structure will have to include the majority and Shia and Sunni and treated equally.

If the Sunnis rebel again, then there is no hope for Iraq to keep or reclaim its Sunni dominated territory.

[jacee]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/trending/muslims-isis-twitter-goofs-1.3382196]

Muslims mock ISIS on twitter. ?

[Big Guy]

An impartial analysis of why we are where we are against ISIS can be found at:

video link

Those interested in facts may find this a very worthwhile 25 minutes of your time.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Michael Hardner
video link added

[DogOnPorch]

The Islamic State has revived rape laws according to Islamic jurisprudence (aka Fiqh). Well it's about time! Now it is finally illegal to rape both a captive mother and her daughter(s). One or the other, lads.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/islamic-state-female-slavery-1.3383347

Meanwhile, in Saudi Arabia, Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz has declared that the Islamic State is actually an Israeli plot and...well...you know...those darn Jews.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1017664/saudi-led-islamic-alliance-will-defeat-daesh-says-grand-mufti/

[DogOnPorch]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/trending/muslims-isis-twitter-goofs-1.3382196]

Muslims mock ISIS on twitter.

You see...the Quran has a passage about such things.

And the Hypocrites also. These were told: "Come, fight in the way of Allah, or (at least) drive (The foe from your city)." They said: "Had we known how to fight, we should certainly have followed you." They were that day nearer to Unbelief than to Faith, saying with their lips what was not in their hearts but Allah hath full knowledge of all they conceal.

http://quran.com/3/167

[Moonlight Graham]

This is the first time Shia troops have taken back Sunni dominated land. This will be a test. To take land is fairly easy, to keep it and have the population on your side is the difficult part. Ramadi now has to be reorganized, all security changed, infrastructure rebuilt, health and social services created etc. If the Shia Iraqis make the same mistake they made the first time, marginalize the majority Sunnis, then ISIS will be back every soon. A successful new governing structure will have to include the majority and Shia and Sunni and treated equally.

If the Sunnis rebel again, then there is no hope for Iraq to keep or reclaim its Sunni dominated territory.

Ya I agree. Malaki really screwed it up the first time, along with his American masters.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Moonlight Graham

[Big Guy]

Iraqi troops with American "teachers" are now sustaining counter attacks from ISIS but still hold about 80% of Ramadi.

Meanwhile there are all kinds of aircraft flying around who are all supposed to be on the same side. ISIS does not have an air force so all these friendlies are continuing their incoherent international meddling while their proxies continue to fight each other on the ground.

Get our planes and troops out of there before they get wiped out by our "allies" by mistake.

[Rue]

Drop Israel as an ally.

Get our jets out.

Fiddles being played.

Uh yah. As of today the CF18's are still carrying out their mission. There is no plan in place to train anyone on the ground, no 25,000 refugees from Syria by Jan.1., gosh you know come to think of it that nice man with the beard no not Santa Claus, our defence Minister, he seems to have gone into hiding. Come to think of it has anyone seen Justin this week?

What we do have is a concerted air war and ground war that has decreased the geographic spread of ISIL.

Interestingly Germany sent some troops to Israel for training, Britain has made it clear it is now allied with France and Russia with air strategy-Russia is clearly operating in coordination with those 2 and with great care not to have problems with the IAF who now and then taken out some Palestinian terror cells in Syria and in spit of the fiddles playing and the Erdogan calling Putin a poo head, well the world has not gone boom.

I think a strong US President would make one hell of a difference putting an end to this. With a lame duck in office, everyone is in a waiting game.

Anyone who thought Putin would be suckered by Obama via Erdogan was mistaken. France, Britain, China, Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Italy, Russia and Germany have in fact set up a defacto alliance to contain the ME waiting until after the next election in the US.

In the interim Chinese and US markets could collapse from out of control debts. That's the biggest challenge to the world, holding off a complete market melt down from debts.

As for Iran it has proven that along with Saudi Arabia the two nations have run out of proxies to use against one another. They've all headed to Europe.

Yep these 2 wonderful examples of civility and advancement have just about caused everyone to flee. Kind of hard to find angry you Muslim men these days willing to die for no good reason. Its easier to head to Europe I suppose.

Speaking about don't feed the trolls, why feed Iran and not Saudi Arabia as some pose?

But hey now, that billions of dollars sale to Saudi Arabia sure had no problems from Prince Justin of Trudeau. The same man who finds CF 18's big penises as he said in Parliament has no problem with armored vehicles.

Lol. Hey now will he be in any photo ops posing with armored vehicles being sent to Saudi Arabia. Nah. They aint cute.

Well hey now, we can open relations with Iran and sell them armored vehicles too. Come on fair is fair.

Better still you want to end this war. Flood it with thousands of Celine Dion CD's and warn them she's coming to give a concert.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Rue

[Big Guy]

World's leading experts on armed group exchange views on what the fighters strive to achieve with their global attacks:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/upfront-air-special-discussion-isil-160219152546662.html

Four of the world's leading authorities on the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) discuss what the armed group aims to achieve by carrying out attacks around the world. "If we believe what they say, and I do ... They're baiting us," said Lydia Wilson, a research fellow at Oxford University's Center for the Resolution of Intractable Conflict.

Wilson, who recently interviewed ISIL fighters in northern Iraq, believes the group [also known as ISIS], which has seized territory in Syria and Iraq, wants Western countries to attack them at home. "They're inspiring terror and drawing the Western powers, or the unbelieving powers ... into wars that they cannot afford or draw them directly into the region not just by proxies," she said.

"[Terror attacks] produce the response that we are giving them."

And we keep dropping those bombs.

Good Grief!!!

[Rue]

Good grief. No one's listening. Lol.

source: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/it-is-more-risky-canada-enters-new-role-in-anti-isis-fight-1.2777342

" Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced last week that his government plans to halt Canadian airstrikes against ISIS militants by Feb. 22.

Instead of continued airstrikes, the government says it will triple the size of its "train, advise and assist effort" on the ground. Canada will also keep one refuelling plane and two surveillance aircraft in the region.

"The plan that we have put into place by adding more, tripling the trainers, is what the coalition needs," Sajjan told CTV's Question Period. "Training the local security forces is absolutely necessary for retaking the ground that Daesh (the Islamic State group) has taken, and for the eventual destruction of the enemy."

"Yes, it is more risky, just for the simple fact of having more troops on the ground," he said. "But we've always been a responsible coalition partner, and we look at the needs of the coalition and this plan fills those gaps."

And if Canadian troops do come under attack, Sajjan said they will have the right to fire back.

"We've already lost military personnel, Sgt. (Andrew) Doiron, on the front line and now we're going to have even more boots on the ground," she said. "It does look like a combat mission."

Oh but wait Libya calls.

[Topaz]

A report out today, say someone hacked and found out some members of ISIS and other personal info. It's also thought there are between 20,000-25,000. members, so why is it taking so long and killing so many people and destroying the landscape to get these guys? http://www.wired.com/2016/03/hack-brief-isis-data-breach-identifies-22000-members/?mbid=nl_31016

[Big Guy]

Methinks it has recently been pointed out that Canada has never declared war on ISIS and this has led to concerns from all camps. Personally I think it is a good idea to not declare war.

When you declare war it is against someone or a state - what is ISIS?

If Canada declares war on ISIS then if/when ISIS strikes on our soil it is not a terrorist act but an act of war or retaliation. ISIS soldiers then become combatants and not terrorists.

When one goes to war then you have to have a criteria for ending the war. Do you just get a photo shot on a ship with a banner behind you that says "Mission Accomplished"

Finally, when Canada eventually decides to get out of that civil war, it will not be a defeat but a review of the use of our military.

Edited March 29, 2016 by Big Guy

[Guest]

Methinks it has recently been pointed out that Canada has never declared war on ISIS and this has led to concerns from all camps. Personally I think it is a good idea to not declare war.

When you declare war it is against someone or a state - what is ISIS?

If Canada declares war on ISIS then if/when ISIS strikes on our soil it is not a terrorist act but an act of war or retaliation. ISIS soldiers then become combatants and not terrorists.

When one goes to war then you have to have a criteria for ending the war. Do you just get a photo shot on a ship with a banner behind you that says "Mission Accomplished"

Finally, when Canada eventually decides to get out of that civil war, it will not be a defeat but a review of the use of our military.

I agree. You don't have to declare war to be at war.

[Argus]

In order to stop the terrorism wars you first have to stop the rise of extremism. And unlike weepy lefty liberals the cause of extremism is not us, but the oil sheikdoms which fund it.

The export of Wahhabism by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and some other oil sheikdoms is the source of modern Islamist terror. From Africa to Asia and now Europe, Arabian petrodollars have played a key role in fomenting militant Islamic fundamentalism that targets the West, Israel and India as its enemies.

Since the oil-price boom of the 1970s, Saudi Arabia has spent more than $200-billion on its global jihad project, including funding Wahhabi madrassas, mosques, clerics and books. Wahhabism legitimizes violentjihad with its call for a war on “infidels.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/how-to-shut-down-the-jihad-factories/article29452621/

Edited March 31, 2016 by Argus

[eyeball]

In order to stop the terrorism wars you first have to stop the rise of extremism. And unlike weepy lefty liberals the cause of extremism is not us, but the oil sheikdoms which fund it.

And who do you think the sheikdoms get their funding from?

[dre]

I think the winner is obvious. Only the cost is an unknown.

It would help if politicians weren't so bloody wishy washy. David Cameron referring to the latest beheading as having been carried out by people who weren't Muslims. Dear me.

The winner isn't obvious at all. The west has been fighting ISIL for 13 years and the group has been growing. That's because we don't take into account the fact that ISIL is seen by Sunnis in Iraq and Syria as the only viable alternative to Shia rule.

The real problem isn't ISIL, They are a symptom. The real problem is that there's 25+ million Sunnis that don't want to live under Shia rule in Iraq and Syria.

Not only is the winner not obvious, but you don't even understand what winning would mean.

[Guest]

The winner isn't obvious at all. The west has been fighting ISIL for 13 years and the group has been growing. That's because we don't take into account the fact that ISIL is seen by Sunnis in Iraq and Syria as the only viable alternative to Shia rule.

The real problem isn't ISIL, They are a symptom. The real problem is that there's 25+ million Sunnis that don't want to live under Shia rule in Iraq and Syria.

Not only is the winner not obvious, but you don't even understand what winning would mean.

Is this a record for posts between the original and the quote? I'm not going back to see what I was on about. Sorry.

[Topaz]

Today, the news is reporting ISIS is considering attacking London and if u look the picture is of one of their member but he looks more white than Muslim and it makes me wonder, who this guy is and if he's really an ISIS member or a mercenary paid by an outside country. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/isis-supporters-threaten-london-with-terror-attacks-in-new-propaganda-video/ar-BBrmWAr?ocid=spartandhp

Edited April 5, 2016 by Topaz

[jacee]

World's leading experts on armed group exchange views on what the fighters strive to achieve with their global attacks:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/upfront-air-special-discussion-isil-160219152546662.html

Four of the world's leading authorities on the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) discuss what the armed group aims to achieve by carrying out attacks around the world. "If we believe what they say, and I do ... They're baiting us," said Lydia Wilson, a research fellow at Oxford University's Center for the Resolution of Intractable Conflict.

...

And we keep dropping those bombs.

Good Grief!!!

A woman's perspective is very enlightening isn't it?

But the boys just keep on having hissy fits and whacking things ... making things worse. Gotta do what the war boys say! They have the big toys! But they're expensive ones too! How can we afford them?

We'll take the money from the children ... again. There always has been poverty, always will be. Why waste money trying to feed and educate poor children, when we need more war toys ... to free the children ... ya that's it!

We have to free the children before we can afford to feed them!

... great line!

And just wait until the Donald prez starts whacking things!

Now that's a show I want to see!

Fireworks EVERYWHERE!

<gets popcorn>

Edited to add ...

/sarcasm

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Edited April 15, 2016 by jacee

[DogOnPorch]

Today, the news is reporting ISIS is considering attacking London and if u look the picture is of one of their member but he looks more white than Muslim and it makes me wonder, who this guy is and if he's really an ISIS member or a mercenary paid by an outside country. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/isis-supporters-threaten-london-with-terror-attacks-in-new-propaganda-video/ar-BBrmWAr?ocid=spartandhp

Islam is a religion...not a skin colour. Anybody can convert to Islam.

[Rue]

A woman's perspective is very enlightening isn't it?

But the boys just keep on having hissy fits and whacking things ... making things worse. Gotta do what the war boys say! They have the big toys! But they're expensive ones too! How can we afford them?

We'll take the money from the children ... again. There always has been poverty, always will be. Why waste money trying to feed and educate poor children, when we need more war toys ... to free the children ... ya that's it!

We have to free the children before we can afford to feed them!

... great line!

And just wait until the Donald prez starts whacking things!

Now that's a show I want to see!

Fireworks EVERYWHERE!

<gets popcorn>

You really want to deflect from ISIL on the Donald while posing as a feminist? Really?

Well then, since you said and I quote: " A woman's perspective is very enlightening isn't it?" I would say yes

and refer you to:

"Why feminists largely ignore the insane misogyny of ISIS ", by Robert Fulford at:

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/06/15/why-feminists-largely-ignore-the-insane-misogyny-of-isis/

and these words speficialy:

"But today feminists ignore the ISIL crimes against women. “An astounding public silence has prevailed,” Chesler says. “The National Organization for Women (NOW) apparently doesn’t think ISIL is a problem.” NOW’s upcoming annual conference doesn’t list ISIL or Boko Haram on its agenda. The most recent conference dedicated to women’s studies dealt with foreign policy but considered only Palestine."

more of the above is at:

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/robert-fulford-fighting-the-insanely-misogynist-islamic-state-will-require-enormous-public-support

But Jacee you know, not all feminists look the other way and discuss the Donald to avoid discussing ISIL, for example:

https://betteroffdamned.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/egyptian-feminists-bleed-and-shit-on-isis-flag-to-protest-misogynist-islamic-state-uncensored/

A woman's perspective is very enlightening.

One looks the other way, another stares it down.

Imagine that.

[jacee]

You really want to deflect from ISIL on the Donald while posing as a feminist? Really?

Well then, since you said and I quote: " A woman's perspective is very enlightening isn't it?" I would say yes

and refer you to:

"Why feminists largely ignore the insane misogyny of ISIS ", by Robert Fulford at:

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/06/15/why-feminists-largely-ignore-the-insane-misogyny-of-isis/

and these words speficialy:

"But today feminists ignore the ISIL crimes against women. An astounding public silence has prevailed, Chesler says. The National Organization for Women (NOW) apparently doesnt think ISIL is a problem. NOWs upcoming annual conference doesnt list ISIL or Boko Haram on its agenda. The most recent conference dedicated to womens studies dealt with foreign policy but considered only Palestine."

more of the above is at:

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/robert-fulford-fighting-the-insanely-misogynist-islamic-state-will-require-enormous-public-support

But Jacee you know, not all feminists look the other way and discuss the Donald to avoid discussing ISIL, for example:

https://betteroffdamned.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/egyptian-feminists-bleed-and-shit-on-isis-flag-to-protest-misogynist-islamic-state-uncensored/

A woman's perspective is very enlightening.

One looks the other way, another stares it down.

Imagine that.

Glad to see that. No I don't tell other women how to think. But I do respond to indications they are identifying their situation as an issue.

It's a question of the right way to respond: "take the bait", make war, put more people at risk, make it bigger and bigger ... (the Donald has already made it worse).

I think the current approach is immature and self-serving.

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Edited April 15, 2016 by jacee

[GostHacked]

In order to stop the terrorism wars you first have to stop the rise of extremism. And unlike weepy lefty liberals the cause of extremism is not us, but the oil sheikdoms which fund it.

And Canada just sold them a large amount of military hardware. Guess we have no issue taking their money, even if we are against lopping off people's heads in the streets.

The export of Wahhabism by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and some other oil sheikdoms is the source of modern Islamist terror. From Africa to Asia and now Europe, Arabian petrodollars have played a key role in fomenting militant Islamic fundamentalism that targets the West, Israel and India as its enemies.

Since the oil-price boom of the 1970s, Saudi Arabia has spent more than $200-billion on its global jihad project, including funding Wahhabi madrassas, mosques, clerics and books. Wahhabism legitimizes violentjihad with its call for a war on “infidels.”

Now I am with you here. Saudi Arabia needs to be dealt with, but they are rich and have a lot of influence globally. Places like Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria were never the issue in my view. All seems to lead back to the Saudis. Recall that all but two of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi nationals. Some reports out now to that Obama might expose the links between the Saudis and 9/11. Which there has always been a strong case for to begin with. Going after Afghanistan made some sense, as Bin Laden and his gang were hanging out there. Going after Iraq did not make sense in all of this. Could be that the Saudis have that much influence in the US that they can kind of steer them into these conflicts?

The actions of all aggressors are only making the matters worse. Bombing Syria to promote peace and democracy seems a bit ... counterproductive. Hence the massive numbers of people moving towards Europe.

[Big Guy]

So "mission creep" continues in the American created problems in the Middle East. The USA has decided to send an additional 250 ground troops into Syria to "fight ISIS".

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-adding-us-troops-syria-momentum-isis/story?id=38645872

Syria is still a sovereign nation, has not asked for American assistance in fighting its civil war and the USA has no business doing anything on Syrian soil.

It looks more and more like USA stands for United States of Amnesia. After Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc. the USA appears to have forgotten any lesson it has learned.

Hello Ottawa, get our troops the hell out of that area before we get dragged into this "mission creep" and end up with another Afghanistan fiasco. Obama is kicking this burning ball down the road for the next president and we should make sure we are not on that team.

Edited April 25, 2016 by Big Guy