John Charlton Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 I feel we can handle beer and Wine in local stores. We can set limits as to were they can be. Such as 500m from any school. No sales after 11:00 PM. I do believe that there are lots of these Beer,Wine and convenience stores on Rural Ont already. Quote
BubberMiley Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 I like the idea of corner stores but not Walmarts and big supermarkets. It certainly kept the depanneurs alive in Montreal. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Hal 9000 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) I don't really think we need it. It's the slippery slope that I don't like. First we had beer and wine attached to a pub, then it's stretched to open sunday, then it becomes hard liquor, then we suddenly don't need it to be attached to pub etc etc - now we'll go to corner stores and gas stations, stretch that into 24hrs on and on. Oh yeah, I forgot department stores Edited August 4, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 New Brunswick has begun selling wine in grocery stores across the province. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 For some reason, I'm more uneasy about wine being available in grocery stores than corner stores. I feel like a recovering alcoholic doesn't have to go to a corner store. They would have to choose to go there, but everyone needs groceries. If they don't want to be around it, they'll have trouble escaping it if they can't even get groceries without seeing it. I'm all for convenience store selling beer and wine, but I think the grocery store is a bit much. Quote
Shady Posted August 4, 2014 Report Posted August 4, 2014 Both should be sold at grocery stores and corner stores. Quote
Mighty AC Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 I don't think we have to exclude other spirits though. The segregation of of liquors is cruel and unjust. Let's end the alcohol apartheid! WHO'S WITH ME!!! Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
The_Squid Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 I don't think we have to exclude other spirits though. The segregation of of liquors is cruel and unjust. Let's end the alcohol apartheid! WHO'S WITH ME!!! You're the Martin Luther King Jr of alcohol consumption. I would march with you brother! Quote
GostHacked Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 For some reason, I'm more uneasy about wine being available in grocery stores than corner stores. I feel like a recovering alcoholic doesn't have to go to a corner store. They would have to choose to go there, but everyone needs groceries. If they don't want to be around it, they'll have trouble escaping it if they can't even get groceries without seeing it. I'm all for convenience store selling beer and wine, but I think the grocery store is a bit much. Ever been to Quebec? Corner stores and grocery stores carry beer, wine, hard liquor. Quote
eyeball Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 I think they should treat it like pot although it's probably more like heroin in terms of actual danger. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Mighty AC Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 I think they should treat it like pot although it's probably more like heroin in terms of actual danger.Good advice. I personally only consume alcohol via a vapourizer. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
-1=e^ipi Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 I don't really think we need it. It's the slippery slope that I don't like. First we had beer and wine attached to a pub, then it's stretched to open sunday, then it becomes hard liquor, then we suddenly don't need it to be attached to pub etc etc - now we'll go to corner stores and gas stations, stretch that into 24hrs on and on. Oh yeah, I forgot department stores Yes, the horror of what occurs in every other part of the developed world is too terrible for here! *sarcasm* Quote
jacee Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 corner stores! yay! actually the beer store is closer than the convenience store here. think of the boon to tourism! all those poor frustrated tourists currently driving in circles trying to find a damn beer store and vowing never to come back to Ontario, telling all their friends ... . Quote
jacee Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 I don't really think we need it. It's the slippery slope that I don't like. First we had beer and wine attached to a pub, then it's stretched to open sunday, then it becomes hard liquor, then we suddenly don't need it to be attached to pub etc etc - now we'll go to corner stores and gas stations, stretch that into 24hrs on and on. Oh yeah, I forgot department stores Yes ... and your point was ...? Slippery slope to where ... civilization? Picking up a couple of cans at a corner store every few days is civilized. Buying in bulk because you have to make a special trip ... now that's a very slippery slope! . Quote
Mighty AC Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 I don't really think we need it. It's the slippery slope that I don't like.Where would you draw the line? Status quo, pub only access, prohibition? Picking up a couple of cans at a corner store every few days is civilized. Buying in bulk because you have to make a special trip ... now that's a very slippery slope! Excellent point there! Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Boges Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 This issue has been debated extensively in the LCBO Sucks thread. In Ontario we're treated like children by our government and a government mandated private sector monopoly owned by the Big 3 brewers. The idea that keeping alcohol out of corner stores is for our safety is an absolute LIE! Social Responsibility is the biggest lie I can think of. It allows the government to maintain its kung fu grip on alcohol distribution. If Social Responsibility was important the Beer Store and the LCBO wouldn't advertise. . .they Advertise A LOT!!!! Quote
overthere Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Shrug. It doesn't matter in Alberta. There are already so many private liquor stores it would be hard for convenience stores to compete, but if they want to... who cares in the end? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Shrug. It doesn't matter in Alberta. There are already so many private liquor stores it would be hard for convenience stores to compete, but if they want to... who cares in the end? Thats like saying there are so many grocery stores how can convenience store compete? It's cuz they're opened 24 hours and you can likely walk to one. Quote
eyeball Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 This issue has been debated extensively in the LCBO Sucks thread. In Ontario we're treated like children by our government and a government mandated private sector monopoly owned by the Big 3 brewers. The idea that keeping alcohol out of corner stores is for our safety is an absolute LIE! Social Responsibility is the biggest lie I can think of. It allows the government to maintain its kung fu grip on alcohol distribution. If Social Responsibility was important the Beer Store and the LCBO wouldn't advertise. . .they Advertise A LOT!!!! I honestly think the biggest thing at stake are government's ability to maintain their grip on social responsibility. Take this preoccupation with distance from schools for example. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Big Guy Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 We now have pharmacies which dispense health related chemicals. Time to now have real "drug" stores. Designate places where adults can buy recreational drugs like wine, beer and marijuana. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 I honestly think the biggest thing at stake are government's ability to maintain their grip on social responsibility. Take this preoccupation with distance from schools for example. Do they have this provision for LCBOs and Beer Stores? Oh those Unionized employees would never sell to an underaged person because they're so responsible! Quote
eyeball Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Well, it's not the union that owns the stores so I would think your first concern should be that governments don't have to live up to the standards they can impose on their competition. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Boges Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 Well, it's not the union that owns the stores so I would think your first concern should be that governments don't have to live up to the standards they can impose on their competition. They have no competition, in Ontario anyway. That's the rub. Quote
PIK Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 In rural areas is fine with me. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Boges Posted August 5, 2014 Report Posted August 5, 2014 In rural areas is fine with me. They're still LCBO's just not employed by the Unionized clerks and shelf stockers that make $25/hour. Quote
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