Beer and Wine in the corner store? Yes or No

[guyser]

Provide some supporting material that the laws are restricted in areas near Ontario.

Ok...21 yrs of age...almost everywhere (except USVI + Puerto Rico)

A third of counties dont allow any alcohol sales at anytime in Alabama.

Total alcohol bans exist in many jurisdictions up north and importing is a felony (US) and CCC (CDA)

In New York you buy beer at a Gas station anytime you want.

And where can one buy liquor? Only one choice, which I suspect you knew.

I know in Florida you can buy beer and wine anywhere.

But not liquor, only liquor stores. Funny that huh?

Some places you best not have your kid with you, you wont be allowed to go in and buy any booze at all.

Dont go near Kansas unless you want it worse than the hardship you endure here.

Michigan is State controlled sale of Alcohol just like here.

Minnesota-Only beer sales at grocery stores, limited to 3.2% beer...IOW....

NEw Hampshire, State run liquor stores

Heaven help you should you buy a bottle of wine or case of beer in Creston whilst on your way to Calgary. Thats illegal ya know. Or Winnipeg and go to Ont.(or vice versa)

Government-only markets exist elsewhere than Ont-they are New Brunswick, P.E.I., Nova Scotia.

BC , sooo backwards, they dont allow one to bring in a bottle of wine to a restaurant. Can you imagine that horror ?

No LCBO will ever get shut down for selling alcohol to a minor, a private outlet certainly will.

Both will fire the offending party, multiple notices will result in either having to account.

As for working late, there's no social responsibility argument for shutting down an LCBO at 5pm on a Sunday, that's not when lots of people drink. They are open until 9 or 10pm on Saturday's. Now that's when people drink.

<Sigh> .....LCBO's are open past five, for the umpteenth F'ing tiome boges!

They are open at 9-10Pm on a Saturday, and later too !! Again for the umnpteenth f'in time.

As for the wages, they're cashiers and shelve stockers. Only in the government would people doing that make those wages.

Then you know didly squat about the LCBO. They have experienced folks who can suggest wines that pair with foods, they can guide people to particular brands or styles that they previously enjoyed, so not just 'you want fries with that' workers.

Thats not to say a private seller wouldnt have that expertise, just countering your argument that they do nothing but ring it up and stock shelves.

[Boges]

Ok...21 yrs of age...almost everywhere (except USVI + Puerto Rico)

OK I'll give you age of majority. Some advocates want us to change the age in Canada. It's 18 in Quebec.

A third of counties dont allow any alcohol sales at anytime in Alabama.

I think this is the only time you'll ever use Alabama as evidence for an argument.

Total alcohol bans exist in many jurisdictions up north and importing is a felony (US) and CCC (CDA)

And where can one buy liquor? Only one choice, which I suspect you knew.

But not liquor, only liquor stores. Funny that huh?

Some places you best not have your kid with you, you wont be allowed to go in and buy any booze at all.

Dont go near Kansas unless you want it worse than the hardship you endure here.

Michigan is State controlled sale of Alcohol just like here.

Minnesota-Only beer sales at grocery stores, limited to 3.2% beer...IOW....

NEw Hampshire, State run liquor stores

Heaven help you should you buy a bottle of wine or case of beer in Creston whilst on your way to Calgary. Thats illegal ya know. Or Winnipeg and go to Ont.(or vice versa)

Government-only markets exist elsewhere than Ont-they are New Brunswick, P.E.I., Nova Scotia.

No one is talking about liqour. The OP is about Beer and Wine sales in corner stores.

BC , sooo backwards, they dont allow one to bring in a bottle of wine to a restaurant. Can you imagine that horror ?

Being able to bring your own wine to a restaurant is a new thing. I think it's stupid because you're buying wine then paying to have it opened. I bet they still charge a corkage fee for a bottle that has a screw top. Also bringing your own wine to a restaurant would kinda be like brining a 2-4 to a Sports Bar, I don't get it.

Both will fire the offending party, multiple notices will result in either having to account.

And I suspect the Union would fight the dismissal.

<Sigh> .....LCBO's are open past five, for the umpteenth F'ing tiome boges! They are open at 9-10Pm on a Saturday, and later too !! Again for the umnpteenth f'in time.

They are closed at 5pm on Sunday, perhaps 6 at some locations but certainly not 9pm. Why? is it cuz it's the Sabbath? Certainly not because it's socially responsible.

Then you know didly squat about the LCBO. They have experienced folks who can suggest wines that pair with foods, they can guide people to particular brands or styles that they previously enjoyed, so not just 'you want fries with that' workers.

I thought those huge magazines they give a way were used for that. I personally would never ask a dude stocking shelves at a Lickbo which beer I should buy. I'd rather the prices be less, and have them not know much at all actually. I can research which alcohol is good on my own.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Boges

[guyser]

I don't understand the support for the LCBO.

Since you asked so nicely:)

Are we pretending that the LCBO is saving the population from a vice? If so, why do they advertise? Are we pretending that it is about government revenue? A government report showed that it would be more profitable to privatize and rake in the licensing fees.

No, but I feel they do a pretty good job of not serving that vice to many people(many who need help saying No)

Advertisement is to encourage sales, which in turns feeds our coffers here in Ont.

They tried it in Alberta and it hasnt worked.

I really do like the income from booze for our coffers, I readily admit it. (But get rid of the Beer Store in a heartbeat)

I think we can all agree that LCBO stores are not nearly as convenient as every grocery,

A bit of a misnomer as I see it. Most places I go an LCBO is there waiting on me. My trek to the cottage and back every weekend from March to December, I pass more visible and accessible LCBO's than grocery stores.

So privatization would be an improvement on that front.

That depends, Id suspect the opposite.

I've heard some argue in favour of the large selection at LCBO stores, however, we wouldn't lose that in a private market.

A private seller would stock low moving items at his cost would he? I dunno about that.

Take NY state for instance. A limited selection of alcohol beer is available at gas stations and convenience stores.

Can someone like PIK, Guyser or Hal list the reasoning behind their LCBO support?

Like I said, the system to me is not broke, returns lots of cash and does a good social good as far as I can tell.

ETA: I am old enough to remember the LCBO had drab grey stores, not ONE SINGLE bottle was visible, only a magazine with codes, you wrote the code down, walked to a counter and they would go back of store and bring it to you.

You had a 'card' with your name on it, if the seller deemed you to be buying too much or replacing too soon, you were denied. Hours were horrible, selection the same.

I am pleased that as the 80's rolled on, the LC woke up and got with the programme.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Guyser2

[GostHacked]

I have tried to go get something for a function on a Sunday and am like DaFuq!!! Or try go get something before Noon for later in the day. Tough Toodles you Holic!!!

As for other states, perhaps hard liqour but they sell wine and beer in corner stores everywhere but Ontario, I'd imagine they don't just close up the portion of the store that sales beer at 10pm every night.

If you are going to an important event, maybe pick up the booze a day or two before the event.

[overthere]

MAybe you could tell us how it was invented?

Alberta allows sale til 2am, yet many dont bother.

I wonder why?

Edmonton licencing office forced reduced hours on some liquor stores.

I wonder why?

It certainly couldnt be the increased crime and violence there . Naw.....the licence officer must have made that up.

Invented... Go stick that up your own ass.

You've made four claims regarding sale of booze.

Back 'em up with anything other than your uninformed opinions.

[GostHacked]

The only thing I can say it you may not get the variety of alcohol as you would at an LCBO. Private retailers will minimize losses and won't stock slow movers, unless they are going to sell them at a higher price.

[overthere]

They tried it in Alberta and it hasnt worked.

Privatization has unquestionably worked extremely well in Alberta for consumers and taxpayers.

Not so well for the coffers of The Alberta Union of Public Employees.

[Boges]

No, but I feel they do a pretty good job of not serving that vice to many people(many who need help saying No)

Advertisement is to encourage sales, which in turns feeds our coffers here in Ont.

They tried it in Alberta and it hasnt worked.

I don't know Black Dog and overthere have made some compelling cases for how the privatization HAS worked.

If you are going to an important event, maybe pick up the booze a day or two before the event.

What if it's a last minute thing? Regardless, I shouldn't have to set my schedule by one stores government-mandated hours.

[overthere]

The only thing I can say it you may not get the variety of alcohol as you would at an LCBO. Private retailers will minimize losses and won't stock slow movers, unless they are going to sell them at a higher price.

That is certainly not true in the Alberta experience, the number of stocked items has gone from around 2500 in the public sector to nearly 20,000 in the private model. Big win for consumers.

Of course, not everybody stocks everything. Like anything else, buyers learn where to buy what if they have special needs, or your neighbourhood shop will bring in something special if you like. Same as any other business really.

[GostHacked]

That is certainly not true in the Alberta experience, the number of stocked items has gone from around 2500 in the public sector to nearly 20,000 in the private model. Big win for consumers.

Of course, not everybody stocks everything. Like anything else, buyers learn where to buy what if they have special needs, or your neighbourhood shop will bring in something special if you like. Same as any other business really.

Good points.

[guyser]

I think this is the only time you'll ever use Alabama as evidence for an argument.

The point being is that they exist in numerous areas the continent over.

No one is talking about liqour. The OP is about Beer and Wine sales in corner stores.

You most certainly have been , so I followed suit.

Being able to bring your own wine to a restaurant is a new thing. I think it's stupid because you're buying wine then paying to have it opened. I bet they still charge a corkage fee for a bottle that has a screw top. Also bringing your own wine to a restaurant would kinda be like brining a 2-4 to a Sports Bar, I don't get it.

Not at all boges. I can take a wonderful bottle of McManus to a restaurant and then enjoy a fine meal along with it. The bottle costs me $20, if the resto carried it I would have to pay double or triple. Many places have no corkage fee. One of my favs is Bartlett Lodge in Algonquin Park (highly highly recommend it), no corkage fee, so when we go, a cooler full of beer for when we sit on their dock awaiting dinner (arrive early , use the dock canoes, paddleboards)then when dinner comes, we break out the wine and consume many bottles. The math on that alone is well over $100 in savings.

The six course gourmet meal is $65 a head. I like it!

And I suspect the Union would fight the dismissal.

Well could I suspect, but in any event the employee will have trouble.

They are closed at 5pm on Sunday, perhaps 6 at some locations but certainly not 9pm. Why? is it cuz it's the Sabbath? Certainly not because it's socially responsible.

I dunno, maybe cuz they want to ?

Its 7pm on a Sunday, what the hell?

[guyser]

You've made four claims regarding sale of booze.

Back 'em up with anything other than your uninformed opinions.

The only one uninformed is you and you know damn well about the Edmonton problems.

An dyou know about the hours of Alberta stores.

Thats ok, stick your head in the sand as if you didnt know.

[Big Guy]

Alcohol is a drug. Allow pharmacies to also sell liquor. Every area has a pharmacy that is open 24 hrs for "emergency" needs.

Or how about hospitals? Every hospital is complaining that they cannot make ends meet so allow them another source of income from a drug that can be accessed 24 hrs a day!

Edited August 7, 2014 by Big Guy

[Boges]

The point being is that they exist in numerous areas the continent over.

I suspect any "dry" countries in the US are that was because of some sort of Religious temperance motivations. Certainly not the same reason's Ontario restricts alcohol sales the way they do.

You most certainly have been , so I followed suit.

If so then it was done in error. I'm only, at this point, advocating for beer and wine being able to be sold in corner stores.

Not at all boges. I can take a wonderful bottle of McManus to a restaurant and then enjoy a fine meal along with it. The bottle costs me $20, if the resto carried it I would have to pay double or triple. Many places have no corkage fee. One of my favs is Bartlett Lodge in Algonquin Park (highly highly recommend it), no corkage fee, so when we go, a cooler full of beer for when we sit on their dock awaiting dinner (arrive early , use the dock canoes, paddleboards)then when dinner comes, we break out the wine and consume many bottles. The math on that alone is well over $100 in savings.
The six course gourmet meal is $65 a head. I like it!

Interesting, I doubt the Keg does that.

I dunno, maybe cuz they want to ?

Its 7pm on a Sunday, what the hell?

Which I wouldn't have a problem with if it wasn't for for the fact they had a monopoly of sales.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Boges

[overthere]

I already posted the hours for AB liquor stores: anywhere between 10 AM and 2 AM, 7 days a week in licensed retail stores.

Now, back up your four silly claims and stop waffling.

[guyser]

That is certainly not true in the Alberta experience, the number of stocked items has gone from around 2500 in the public sector to nearly 20,000 in the private model. Big win for consumers.

Starting at such a low number, doubling would be successful.

The LCBO has carried 18,000 products or more for eons. The only ones who dont are the small grocery store run LCBO outlets in smaller communities.

Of course, not everybody stocks everything.

Most LCBO's do (see note above), big win for consumers. Shame yours do not.

Guess convenience is relative huh?

Like anything else, buyers learn where to buy what if they have special needs, or your neighbourhood shop will bring in something special if you like. Same as any other business really.

So...not really a big win for consumers ?

You drive here for this wine, there for that, go over there for that bottle.

Hell, one stop and I am good to go.

[Boges]

So...not really a big win for consumers ?

You drive here for this wine, there for that, go over there for that bottle.

Hell, one stop and I am good to go.

Think about if you could buy the Beer and Wine at a grocery store. Then you could get your food and wine at the same time! Talk about convenience! If it was sold at a Walmart you could buy clothe and electronics too!

Edited August 7, 2014 by Boges

[guyser]

Think about if you could buy the Beer and Wine at a grocery store. Then you could get your food at the same time! Talk about convenience! If it was sold at a Walmart you could buy clothe and electronics too!

I admit you convinced me re the Beer Store , so yes, I have no problem with beer in corner stores.

Liquor and wine, not so much. Even if it did happen, I doubt Id lose sleep, it will be waht it will be.

But no....Never a WalMart. Never been in one, plan on never doing so. So far so good .

ETA- I already buy liqour and wine and beer and shop for groceries at the same time. Cottage community and all, it s one of those offshoot LC' stores . Limited capacity of course.

But heres the kicker that really pisses me off. Return the bottles to the same store? You only get a store credit for the grocery store and is void at days end. So no taking returns at 5 mins to 6pm.

[Boges]

But heres the kicker that really pisses me off. Return the bottles to the same store? You only get a store credit for the grocery store and is void at days end. So no taking returns at 5 mins to 6pm.

So now you're bitch about hours?

The only reason I go to the Beer Store now is to return empties.

Not everyone is a wine connoisseur, even if corner stores only offered VQA products like at the grocery store wine racks, I'd be cool with it.

That being said, I've seen good wines not available at the LCBO at Target stores in the USA. They have the space to offer a good selection if there's a demand, unlike, say a Macs Milk.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Boges

[guyser]

So now you're bitch about hours?

No , not the hours that upsets me, its the spend this money here and ONLY here that bugs me. Give me damn cash and go #& yourself store return guy !

That being said, I've seen good wines not available at the LCBO at Target stores in the USA. They have the space to offer a good selection if there's a demand, unlike, say a Macs Milk.

Thats true, but some producers dont want to work with the LCBO 's terms.

The LCBO is willing to buy every bottle some producers make. But that limits exposure to Ont only. There are a ton of fantastic BC producers who do not want to sell to LCBO,same w Cali wines.

McManus is an example, they shipped only once a year, and that sold out before noon the next day. Now they are making more so its on the shelves all year.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Guyser2

[overthere]

Starting at such a low number, doubling would be successful.

The LCBO has carried 18,000 products or more for eons. The only ones who dont are the small grocery store run LCBO outlets in smaller communities.

Most LCBO's do (see note above), big win for consumers. Shame yours do not.

Guess convenience is relative huh?

So...not really a big win for consumers ?

You drive here for this wine, there for that, go over there for that bottle.

Hell, one stop and I am good to go.

Yes, huge win for consumers over the previous regime of nothing on the shelves, a few stores open whenever the collective agreement permitted it and a crew of vastly overpaid cashiers racking up big public pension liabilities. Like Ontario today.

Most stores in AB carry similar selections of beer wine and spirits- whatever they sell the most of. But there are also stores that specialize in certain things- fine wine, good Scotch pr other fine spirits and my favorite- one nearby that carries around 600 kinds of beer.

[mjrr]

Selling beer and wine at the local convenience stores works well here in Quebec,i dont see a downside..

Vote in Mr trudeau and those corner stores may also be selling pot

[On Guard for Thee]

Alcohol is a drug. Allow pharmacies to also sell liquor. Every area has a pharmacy that is open 24 hrs for "emergency" needs.

Or how about hospitals? Every hospital is complaining that they cannot make ends meet so allow them another source of income from a drug that can be accessed 24 hrs a day!

I'm not quite sure if there was meant to be a touch of sarcasm in your post but by golly, at any rate, I think you may be onto something. Hospitals in Canada make ends meet from tax revenues but why not take some of that load off with "off" sales. And how convenient to be able to one stop shop at a pharmacy and get both the source of the hangover, and the cure all in one go.

[Big Guy]

I'm not quite sure if there was meant to be a touch of sarcasm in your post but by golly, at any rate, I think you may be onto something. Hospitals in Canada make ends meet from tax revenues but why not take some of that load off with "off" sales. And how convenient to be able to one stop shop at a pharmacy and get both the source of the hangover, and the cure all in one go.

No sarcasm meant. Just thinking outside the case box. Many hospitals already have restaurants and other commercial businesses to cater to the community and assist in financing. Access to alcohol sales 24/7, income for heath programs, something to do while waiting 6 hrs for that emergency room doctor and a quick and easy source to purchase supplies to celebrate that new birth, vasectomy or colonoscopy.

While waiting for your doctor you could wine while you whine!