Beer and Wine in the corner store? Yes or No

[GostHacked]

This issue has been debated extensively in the LCBO Sucks thread.

In Ontario we're treated like children by our government and a government mandated private sector monopoly owned by the Big 3 brewers.

The idea that keeping alcohol out of corner stores is for our safety is an absolute LIE! Social Responsibility is the biggest lie I can think of. It allows the government to maintain its kung fu grip on alcohol distribution.

If Social Responsibility was important the Beer Store and the LCBO wouldn't advertise. . .they Advertise A LOT!!!!

And the reason Ontario may not do it, is because the price fixing from breweries and wineries will go away. It's market control more than control of alcohol.

[Boges]

And the reason Ontario may not do it, is because the price fixing from breweries and wineries will go away. It's market control more than control of alcohol.

Of course it is. But they lie saying it's about social responsibility.

In the other thread I posted a column about the owner of Moosehead saying the Beer Store is great. Of course it is! You have to respond to any market conditions whatsoever.

[overthere]

Thats like saying there are so many grocery stores how can convenience store compete?

It's cuz they're opened 24 hours and you can likely walk to one.

There are already far more liquor stores than supermarkets, so your analogy does not fit.

Like I said, nobody here would care either way.

[Boges]

There are already far more liquor stores than supermarkets, so your analogy does not fit.

Like I said, nobody here would care either way.

Maybe where you live, but not in Ontario. And their hours are stupid.

[PIK]

Maybe where you live, but not in Ontario. And their hours are stupid.

If you need it buy it, don't wait till 10 minutes past closing.

[Boges]

If you need it buy it, don't wait till 10 minutes past closing.

Why should they have to close? We're being treated like children.

No excuse for having all alcohol sales stop province-wide at 5pm on a Sunday.

[Mighty AC]

If you need it buy it, don't wait till 10 minutes past closing.

Why do you favour a government monopoly over private competition on the distribution of alcohol?

[guyser]

Why should they have to close? We're being treated like children.

Virtually every Province and for that matter State (where restrictions are even higher in many places) are not open 24 hrs.

No excuse for having all alcohol sales stop province-wide at 5pm on a Sunday.

Good thing THEY ARENT huh?

(youve tried this before boges)

[Boges]

Virtually every Province and for that matter State (where restrictions are even higher in many places) are not open 24 hrs.

Good thing THEY ARENT huh?

(youve tried this before boges)

You got these Wine Stores within grocery stores. The Grocery Store stays open, Wine Rack has to close.

I have tried to go get something for a function on a Sunday and am like DaFuq!!! Or try go get something before Noon for later in the day. Tough Toodles you Holic!!!

As for other states, perhaps hard liqour but they sell wine and beer in corner stores everywhere but Ontario, I'd imagine they don't just close up the portion of the store that sales beer at 10pm every night.

[guyser]

You got these Wine Stores within grocery stores. The Grocery Store stays open, Wine Rack has to close.

And?

I got to a 24 hr Metro/Loblaws .....meat counter, seafood counter is closed. They do however say open 24 hrs.

I have tried to go get something for a function on a Sunday and am like DaFuq!!! Or try go get something before Noon for later in the day. Tough Toodles you Holic!!!

Boges, for F sakes, do your research or face looking foolish.

Want something at 11 am...go fucking buy it. There are a shit ton of stores open from LCBO to Wine Rack to others.

As for other states, perhaps hard liqour but they sell wine and beer in corner stores everywhere but Ontario, I'd imagine they don't just close up the portion of the store that sales beer at 10pm every night.

Not the least bit true. But on this topic, your arguments are being shot down like candy from a baby

[The_Squid]

And?

I got to a 24 hr Metro/Loblaws .....meat counter, seafood counter is closed. They do however say open 24 hrs.

The gov't doesn't legislate that they must not sell meat after 10pm. That's a business decision.

[overthere]

Alberta liquor stores can be open anytime between 10 AM and 2 AM, 7 days a week.

It pisses me off that they have those restrictions.

edited to correct the time range

Edited August 6, 2014 by overthere

[guyser]

The gov't doesn't legislate that they must not sell meat after 10pm. That's a business decision.

Govt doesnt legislate that they must not sell booze after 10 pm. Thats a business decision.

[guyser]

Most booze stores dont want to be open very late in 'most' places anyhow. Cost of staying open not worth it, increased chance of crime and frankly plenty want to see their SO 's.

[overthere]

Most booze stores dont want to be open very late in 'most' places anyhow. Cost of staying open not worth it, increased chance of crime and frankly plenty want to see their SO 's.

all of that is invented and none of the governments business anyway.

[guyser]

all of that is invented and none of the governments business anyway.

Invented?

Yea ...sure. Ok

[overthere]

Yep, invented by you.

Most booze stores dont want to be open very late in 'most' places anyhow.

Huh? Please try to stuff this back in the orifice from whence it was plucked.

Cost of staying open not worth it,

fabricated. see above

increased chance of crime

hahahaha. you funny!

frankly plenty want to see their SO 's

Frankly, they just keep getting weaker and weaker.

[Hal 9000]

You got these Wine Stores within grocery stores. The Grocery Store stays open, Wine Rack has to close.

I have tried to go get something for a function on a Sunday and am like DaFuq!!! Or try go get something before Noon for later in the day. Tough Toodles you Holic!!!

As for other states, perhaps hard liqour but they sell wine and beer in corner stores everywhere but Ontario, I'd imagine they don't just close up the portion of the store that sales beer at 10pm every night.

If you're really worried about the times that you can purchase alcohol, maybe you should be asking yourself some hard questions about where your life is heading. If you're that committed to drinking , have a case of two in the shed or closet. What a stupid issue

[guyser]

Yep, invented by you.

Huh? Please try to stuff this back in the orifice from whence it was plucked.

fabricated. see above

hahahaha. you funny!

Frankly, they just keep getting weaker and weaker.

MAybe you could tell us how it was invented?

Alberta allows sale til 2am, yet many dont bother.

I wonder why?

Edmonton licencing office forced reduced hours on some liquor stores.

I wonder why?

It certainly couldnt be the increased crime and violence there . Naw.....the licence officer must have made that up.

Invented... Go stick that up your own ass.

[guyser]

What a stupid issue

Not really, boges is putting a good fight, misguided on some parts but all in all he wants change, and some change should come.

On the beer and wine, I have changed my mind, the set up in this province is bad and should change,

The LCBO...I say keep it. I get as good a product choice as almost anywhere else , convenient, well placed, good hours.

And as Alberta can teach us, nothing really changed, no savings no nothing. But hey, if they want it , so be it.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Guyser2

[Boges]

But on this topic, your arguments are being shot down like candy from a baby

In your mind maybe. I guess you like the government telling you when you can buy alcohol. I don't.

How come they don't tell you when you can buy tobacco?

It's been demonstrated that Ontario seems to be the only place that treats people like this.

I believe it has more to do with having overpaid unionized clerks working late or on holidays than it does about social responsibility as it's obvious the government is lying when they say that's a priority.

[Boges]

If you're really worried about the times that you can purchase alcohol, maybe you should be asking yourself some hard questions about where your life is heading. If you're that committed to drinking , have a case of two in the shed or closet. What a stupid issue

Thats such a red herring. You want freedom to buy something after hours you must be an alcoholic. I'm not even say I would buy at corner stores, but the government treating adults like there'll be anarchy if you sell alcohol late on a Sunday is insulting.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Boges

[guyser]

In your mind maybe. I guess you like the government telling you when you can buy alcohol. I don't.

Once again, laws all over NA state when and where once canb buy booze. OS there goes that argument.

They all do !

How come they don't tell you when you can buy tobacco?

All tobacco is regulated, but as for hours...I dunno, maybe they feel someone needing a smokes fix isnt the same a s a boozer needing a drink?

It's been demonstrated that Ontario seems to be the only place that treats people like this.

And youve been shown you are absolutly wrong on this.

I believe it has more to do with having overpaid unionized clerks working late or on holidays than it does about social responsibility as it's obvious the government is lying when they say that's a priority.

This is overpaid?

$22,000 average annual earnings for casual employees

$52,000 average annual earnings for full-time employees

Uh nope....

Social resp is a bit of a turd, but it sure would be worse under a private sector. But they do card all the time and take it seriously. FOr whatever thats worth.

But wait a sec.....you post just now about 'working late' yet you tried to tell us they dont , the stores close early.

Which is it?

[Boges]

Provide some supporting material that the laws are restricted in areas near Ontario. In New York you buy beer at a Gas station anytime you want. In Quebec, they may have some restrictions but you can buy beer in a corner store. I imagine Michigan is no different. I know in Florida you can buy beer and wine anywhere.

I was able to buy a case of beer at Walmart, in New York, and was automatically carded. I rarely get carded at an LCBO because they know it's rather insulting, I'm clearly over 19. But a private business is way more accountable to the laws then a government run one. No LCBO will ever get shut down for selling alcohol to a minor, a private outlet certainly will.

As for working late, there's no social responsibility argument for shutting down an LCBO at 5pm on a Sunday, that's not when lots of people drink. They are open until 9 or 10pm on Saturday's. Now that's when people drink. It's gotta be something to do with thinking people don't want to work late on a Sunday and sales might not be as good then. But I'm sure corner stores would have no problem selling at that time as they're open 24/7 anyway.

As for the wages, they're cashiers and shelve stockers. Only in the government would people doing that make those wages.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Boges

[Mighty AC]

I don't understand the support for the LCBO.

Are we pretending that the LCBO is saving the population from a vice? If so, why do they advertise? Are we pretending that it is about government revenue? A government report showed that it would be more profitable to privatize and rake in the licensing fees.

I think we can all agree that LCBO stores are not nearly as convenient as every grocery, liquor and convenience store. So privatization would be an improvement on that front. I've heard some argue in favour of the large selection at LCBO stores, however, we wouldn't lose that in a private market. Take NY state for instance. A limited selection of alcohol is available at gas stations and convenience stores. A better selection is available at grocery/department/drug stores and specialty liquor stores offer an outstanding selection.

Can someone like PIK, Guyser or Hal list the reasoning behind their LCBO support?