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There isn't even a credible allegation. @robosmith is engaging in an emotional outburst believing that an illogical, emotional diatribe will convince people he's correct.

That's disturbing because it's really hard to imagine that a human trafficker and drug smuggler working for gangs with a vested interest in the outcome of this case would ever be dishonest At the end of the day why would we even care? I'm sure there's lots of legal systems around the world that aren't very good, that doesn't mean we need to throw open our countries own borders And just let people in

She got what she asked for.

I think he's mostly concerned with convincing himself. Plus, he has to agree with the voices in his head or they start being mean to him, so there's that

Oh yeah... a nice AC tent with beds is now the "gulag" You people are not serious, just a bunch of liars.

For those who are wondering how they can help stop the democrats from perpetuating illegal immigration, the link below provides some helpful resources. What ideas do you have? https://www.dhs.gov/get-involved

Well, there you have it. Velez thought she could take the law into her own hands, and found out. They need to prosecute that stoopid b*tch to the fullest extent of the law. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-detained-us-citizen-l-charged-obstructing-arrest-rcna215481

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2zzdmrd9qo.amp Not looking good

Ahhh yes, Duffygate. That scandal where the conservatives got caught forcing someone to give back taxpayers their money because they felt that it had been taken unfairly. We need a hell of a lot more scandals like that

You can't talk about facts, missing link. All you do is deny, slander, and insult. You can't take the topic of media bribery head-on because it's absolutely ridiculous that the incumbent party can just bribe the MSM with half a billion dollars in taxpayer money in every campaigning season. Our media is as unbiased as Timmy's mom at his little league games. Our polling data comes from people who work for our bought-and-paid-for media. That's why 3 years after $90k Duffygate the MSM is still talking about the next election as "a referendum on Duffygate", but only 8 months after the S900M WE scandal the election is about global warming. Do you know how many 90k's it takes to make $900M? 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 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90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k 90k That's how big of a scandal WE was in comparison to Duffygate. Literally 10,000x as much money. Not only that, there was 5x as much money went to Trudeau's mom as there was in the whole Duffygate thing, and they were haggling over money that was paid back. The CBC talked about 1 of those scandals for 3 years, and ignore the larger one after only a few months.

I'm not sure how you think that makes you look better but..... It's your point is it's not very hard to corner you then point taken. Honestly if you were half as smart as you think you are you'd still be twice as smart as you actually are. Next time put some effort in and do better

You're only sure of that because you're a dingbat.

" Lawyers for Kilmar Abrego Garcia have detailed the “severe mistreatment” and “torture” he experienced during his month-long detention inside a notorious El Salvador prison, in a renewed lawsuit challenging his wrongful removal from the United States. His attorneys say the 29-year-old Salvadoran immigrant was subject to “severe beatings, severe sleep deprivation, inadequate nutrition, and psychological torture” at the facility, where lawyers for President Donald Trump’s administration have admitted he was mistakenly sent in March before a weeks-long legal battle to keep him imprisoned there. Abrego Garcia was abruptly returned to the U.S. to face a federal criminal indictment accusing him of smuggling undocumented migrants across the country, allegations that were only raised after he was removed. He has pleaded not guilty. The new legal filing follows ongoing debates among attorneys, judges and the Department of Justice over whether Abrego Garcia should remain in jail before trial as lawyers for the government threaten to deport him as soon as he is released from custody. When he arrived in El Salvador on March 25, still in chains, two officials grabbed his arms and pushed him down the stairs from the airplane, according to the new complaint. He was “forcibly seated” on a bus and placed in a second set of chains and handcuffs, then “repeatedly struck by officers when he attempted to raise his head,” the filing states. Upon arrival at the Terrorism Confinement Center, officials told Abrego Garcia and other detainees, “Welcome to CECOT. Whoever enters here doesn’t leave.” He was then “forced to strip, issued prison clothing, and subjected to physical abuse including being kicked in the legs with boots and struck on his head and arms to make him change clothes faster,” according to the filing. Prison workers shaved his head and “frog-marched” him into a cell, striking him “with wooden batons along the way,” lawyers wrote. By the following day, “Abrego Garcia had visible bruises and lumps all over his body,” they said. He shared a cell with 20 other Salvadorans, who were “forced to kneel” from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m., “with guards striking anyone who fell from exhaustion,” according to the complaint. “During this time, Plaintiff Abrego Garcia was denied bathroom access and soiled himself,” the filing states. “The detainees were confined to metal bunks with no mattresses in an overcrowded cell with no windows, bright lights that remained on 24 hours a day, and minimal access to sanitation,” it claims. After one week at the facility, the prison director and other officials separated 12 Salvadoran men, with what they said were gang-related tattoos, from a group of 21 detainees. Abrego Garcia remained with eight others “who, like him, upon information and belief had no gang affiliations or tattoos.” It was at this time that prison officials “explicitly acknowledged” that Abrego Garcia’s tattoos were not gang-related and told him “your tattoos are fine,” according to the complaint. Prison officials repeatedly threatened to move him to cells where gang members would “tear” him apart, lawyers wrote. Abrego Garcia “repeatedly observed prisoners in nearby cells who he understood to be gang members violently harm each other with no intervention from guards or personnel,” the filing states. “Screams from nearby cells would similarly ring out throughout the night without any response from prison guards on personnel.” The 29-year-old Salvadoran father was abruptly returned to the United States to face criminal smuggling charges after a weeks-long legal battle. He has pleaded not guilty (EPA) After three weeks inside the prison, and after losing 31 pounds, Abrego Garcia and four other detainees were transferred to another part of the facility, “where they were photographed with mattresses and better food — photos that appeared to be staged to document improved conditions,” according to the complaint. Nearly one month after he was deported, Abrego Garcia was transferred to a prison that explicitly did not house known gang members. At Centro Industrial, “Abrego Garcia was frequently hidden from visitors, being told to remain in a separate room whenever outside visitors came to the facility,” according to the complaint. He was denied communication with his family and access to legal counsel throughout his detention, until he met with Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen on April 17. Abrego Garcia fled El Salvador when he was 16 years old and illegally entered the U.S. He was living and working in Maryland with his wife and child, both American citizens, and two children from a previous marriage. Federal judges and a unanimous Supreme Court ordered the Trump administration to “facilitate” his return after government lawyers admitted in court documents that he was removed from the country due to a procedural error. A 2019 order from an immigration judge had blocked his removal to El Salvador over humanitarian concerns. The government spent weeks battling court orders while officials publicly said he would never step foot in the U.S. After spending three months inside those El Salvador jails, Abrego Garcia was returned to in June following a federal grand jury indictment accusing him of illegally transporting immigrants across the country." New legal filing details graphic ‘torture and abuse’ of Kilmar Abrego Garcia in El Salvador prison I think it was known what kinds of things were going on in the CECOT prison; yet the admin went ahead and sent Abrego Garcia and several hundred others to that place anyway.

My vision for Greenland: I picture lots and lots of resource mining and sprawling heavy labor camps for illegal aliens and other criminals.

And since when did China's massive use of cheap and even slave labour become an issue? These have always attracted us to them. We want EVERYTHING to be cheap, especially our environment.

What third-world Gulag? You are a liar. There is no criminal conviction of this third-world Gulag.

The long game is to fundamentally restructure the Canadian economy and diversify away from USA. That will be the ongoing project that will take years. Going back and forth with Trump over exactly how much economic vandalism he is going to commit over the next few months is the short game. Well I don’t think he’s caved in although seemingly he had a give with respect to DST. I don’t think he’s going to give America “whatever it wants” but he never said Canada wouldn’t have to give up anything. It’s a negotiation and negotiations mean give and take. Trump is trying to take our lunch money, we’re not trying to take anything from Trump, therefore a totally unrealistic one-sided Canadian victory where Carney wipes the floor with Trump would only mean things remain the way they were before, with nobody having gained or lost anything. Anything short of that, which is reality, means Canada gives up something vis-a-vis the US and we will need to replace that with domestic trade and increased trade with other countries. We don’t know what’s on the table or where they are, perhaps giving up the DST was the best possible deal. Nothing has been signed yet they’re still negotiating doe the next 3 weeks or so. And we have NO deal at the moment, at least not one that Trump’s honouring. Certainly some of the tariffs he has announced against us this year will come off. Others like aluminum and maybe steel will likely come off, be reduced or discretely poked full of loopholes regardless because USA simply can’t sustain them. USA’s aluminum industry will never be able to support domestic demand, not only do they not have the raw materials but it would take decades of investment and hundreds of billions of dollars to restructure and refurbish not only the US aluminum industry but also the highly fragmented, privatized, politicized and inefficient US electricity market It just ain’t gonna happen.

Bill C-5 for example allows Carney to just declare an oil pipeline or other project to be above the law and ignore any environmental concerns, laws or indigenous consultation that gets in the way. His immigration crackdown is another. All rammed through parliament with barely any debate or examination. Conservatives must be creaming their jeans over those. These things are so controversially right wing only a Liberal has the running room to get away with doing them (for now). Because he has a minority government so he has to be bed buddies with someone and the stuff he wants to do is stuff like massively build up defence, build economic infrastructure, exploit national resources including fossil fuels, etc. And he wants to do it all with maximum speed, minimum red tape, minimum consultation, debate etc so that’s naturally more appealing to conservatives and less so to the NDP/BQ What government protection? We are the most foreign owned economy in the G7 and one of the most foreign owned in the G20. High wages is not a bad thing and our wages aren’t necessarily lower. Our lowest paid hourly workers maybe have slightly higher wages but salaries in the US are generally higher and on top of that US employers provide extremely expensive health insurance We are inefficient because decade after decade we’ve doubled down on being a “branch plant” economy that does nothing except export crude raw materials or conduct basic mundane local transactions at the direction of a foreign-headquartered multinational company. So in summary none of what you said explains why we can trade with USA but redirecting trade to Europe and Asia “isn’t going happen” Secondly I would argue that decades of concentrating our trade with USA in particular and generally being indifferent to having a branch plant economy is precisely why our industry is inefficient. Like for decades the government policy was you clock in at the factory, you make your widgets, you clock out and you shouldn’t care whether the factory is Canadian owned or American owned or Japanese owned. But of course, it makes a big difference who owns the factory and makes the decisions on where widgets get made, and who controls the patterns for them. Well years ago Canadian businesses weren’t subject to Trump’s ridiculous tariffs and other that signing the trade deal governments didn’t feel motivated to do much else. Now there’s a ton of trade infrastructure and military equipment in the works and initiatives like ReArm Europe and concerted efforts to secure long-term contracts between Canadian industries and overseas partners. The government can only do so much to help businesses who “have problems because of the Americans” and everyone knows that if they don’t diversify they do so at their own risk. As I mentioned he shifted from saying he was going to use “economic force” to annex us against our will to saying “it takes two to tango” and that he merely thinks it would be a good idea if Canadians chose to join USA. That’s just empty right wing rhetoric.

Cope with PP....? He's essentially irrelevant right now and soon to be totally irrelevant. Not much to cope with.....

Poor Kilmar. He should've never broken into this country in the first place. And now the left-wing activists judges are jeopardizing his safety by trying to keep him here in the US. Poor illegal alien bastard...

Sorry. I thought the title of this "Is democracy in Canada dead' thread was " Is democracy in Canada dead?".

Poilievre got a higher percentage of the vote this year than Chretien, Harper or Trudeau ever managed. If it weren't for Trump and Singh's identity politics party collapsing he'd have had a majority Carney said he would eliminate the carbon tax. And then replace it with... a carbon tax. But don't worry! It will be on business and industry, and OF COURSE that won't be passed along to the consumer (nudge-nudge, wink-wink). So those cheques they used to get to make up for the tax will be a thing of the past. LOL. Big win!

Oddfuscation abounds.

Well that's a stupid lie. Can you quote where I said that?

Did I say Ford?

The tech companies who oppose the DST and forced Trump’s hand look pretty globalist to me. They make a whole lot of money outside the US and like to keep a fair bit of it there too.

The Liberals and the mainstream media they pay for convinced too many people that Poilevre would cave into whatever the fat Orange man wanted - kinda like Carney has been doing since he took office - and that the mighty Mr. Carney, who slouches through the room like an unhappy teenager, would stand tall. Only he never did. Anyway, it didn't convince anyone with brains. But it convinced the lefties so they all abandoned the NDP and flocked to vote for a corporate banker thinking he was going to 'protect' them.

"I love hardened criminals who rape and murder little girls." What a goof.

Can you ever refrain from spamming the forum? We don't need you to copy and paste the entire article, for crying out loud.

Gimme a break. This is not the 1960s (when the Soviets were about to take over - and trust me, JFK, LBJ & Nixon were right to oppose those guys. You Americans won.) The 1990s proved to everyone that the Soviet system, Maoism, does not work. Communism/Socialism does not work. ====== Russia? China? 2020s? We now live in a multi-polar world.

Its not about being invaded. We have security and sovereignty threats in our arctic and maritime approaches, not least of which is from the Americans. And now of all tomes we need closer economic, security and defence ties with Europe which means investing in European defence

Sorry you already got to enjoy your military budget cuts for the past 35 years. Now it’s time to pay the piper. Literally.

I had a discussion with our niece's husband like this yesterday. He insisted that Iran and Israel are still firing missiles at each other...that the economy was not recovering...that the border was not closed. How can a rational person deal with such obstinance? He finally got mad and went home. Meh... Normally...a good economy, peace, and a cleaning up of crime would be considered "good" by all citizens. But not now. Not while Trump is in the Whitehouse.

User, Russia? Soviet? Communism? Enemy? China? You Americans confuse all these terms. ==== Reagan defeated the ideology of Communism. Truman and Nixon made the world get along.

What are you talking about.... I asked legato a question "what was unfair about this election?" And you're right, I can't acknowledge it...

How about all the cities painting their sidewalks with homosexuality? I dont wanna pay for that

If you were then you never would have voted for Trudeau.

I don't even care if you are an anti-Semite, taxme. Hate Jews all you want. Just don't pretend that the ones in Israel are doing anything but trying to prevent their own genocide. I'm not a fan of any baconally challenged people myself. I think both groups put their religion ahead of other people to great extent. That doesn't mean I want to see them all chopped/shot/burned to death.

Relied on the built in spellchecker and clicked post before I reread it. Damn! As I once asked a teacher in Grade 3, how do you check spelling with a dictionary when you can't look it up cuz you don't know how it's spelled? The Orange Oaf just posted the other day that "Vietnam has agreed to pay 20-40% tariffs". His Magats continue to believe Vietnam will be paying, not them...... remember what George Carlin once said: Beware the power of stupid people in large groups.

LMAO!

He "says stuff", but he's not bringing up anything resembling the truth: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/its-a-problem-for-the-cbc-to-fix-stephen-harper-blames-broadcasters-budget-woes-on-low-ratings Trudeau promises to "reverse Harper's CBC budget cuts". (Trudeau actually gave the CBC $675M in election bribes in 2015, but who's counting?) https://rabble.ca/general/fact-check-stephen-harpers-bald-faced-lies-about-cbc/ The Conservatives have made cuts too. In the 2012 budget, CBC/Radio-Canada’s budget was cut by $115 million, or 10 per cent of the total operating budget. There’s no question: the public broadcaster has been forced to maintain its programming and service levels despite having had deep cuts made to its budget. If Extra-Ftarded can find evidence that Harper spent $500M bribing the MSM before every election, I will apologize.

That's how I see it too, absolutely breathtaking. On a daily basis I read about gang violence and gun crime in places like Toronto. To think that people are willing to spend (literally) hundreds of millions of dollars trying to eradicate a problem most of them admit doesn't (really) exist just bogles the mind. When asked, the answer I usually get is: "well, we have to do something." It's not just the ill-informed nature of these conversations either, it's the attitude. They seem to think that what Ukraine really needs and really wants is semi-automatic rifles with 5 round magazines. People should take a moment and consider how they would explain things like this to village elders (virtually anywhere) whilst maintaining a straight face.

Woof!.

There is a reason why Trump wanted the libs to win. Still the same fools making the decisions. PP has always been against that tax.

They promised you it would solve climate change...🙄 Along with faster horses, looser women and a good five cent cigar... Like I said, hyperbole much? Compared to doing nothing you mean? Anything it did was an improvement over that.

Everybody tells me things that are important. That's how I know carney screwed up and why you don't Oh that's nice, your folks taking you to chuck E cheese again?

Never trust anyone who is cheering on Russia or spreading propaganda for them, as they are invading Ukraine, when they also advocate against NATO. August would be out in the square waving the Soviet flag, welcoming the Russian tanks if he could...

The Military aid to civil power is for all local people, regardless of in Canada they live. They serve where they are needed. They need new fighters...if you own stock in someone other than Lockheed Martin then for sure you would not approve but, you know nothing about aviation, avionics, weapon technology, Military effectiveness and international support.

Of course, you are more upset that she is under investigation than for her comments....

So... no idea if any of that is accurate, but lets assume that is what Carney said... Then Canada was never a reliable military partner to begin with. He just admitted they are not going to meet their obligations as part of NATO, which they are a member of and benefit from, but to spite the United States. And you cheer that on? I mean, do you even realize how stupid of a position that is? America has carried NATO for as long as NATO has existed with our military size and the threat we posed to any adversaries. But yeah, sure, we are not the reliable ones because we fund our military to meet and exceed NATO obligations while Canada doesn't.