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Why should conservatives even try? The left still believes the Charlottesville lie, the Steele Dossier lie, the Russia Hoax, the bloodbath lie, these jobs numbers lie, calls us names and refuses to acknowledge the disaster that is the Biden admin. The left is off in some fantasy world and the refuse to participate in reality. So what is it that we could do that would snap them out of it?

Nobody forgot about COVID, smoothbrain. We just reject your sad attempts selectively acknowledge the economic impact of the pandemic. You will bltch and moan--and lie--all day every day about the "Biden economy," which has, remarkably, come out of the COVID crater quickly and safely. Sorry, go fark yourself. if you're going to disingenuously blame Biden for the inevitable challenges of overseeing a successful recovery, Trump can own his disastrous COVID economy as well. If you're going to be economically illiterate, at least try to muster the decency to do it consistently.

I proved the letter was legit. What are you smoking?

I didn’t read all of that, because I stopped at the part where you lied and said that Biden, Harris and television networks said that talking of killing Trump was just “humor.” Because that claim is false. So why should I read the rest of your post once you start lying? I get that in his very long, violence-inciting speech, Trump one time said, “peacefully and patriotically,” but I don’t find those two words in his speech to be exonerating. Besides Donald Trump, who told you that the election was “stolen”? Nobody! The Republican leaders of the US Senate accepted that Trump lost. Mike Pence accepted that he’d lost. Trump’s Attorney General accepted these results.The Republican leaders in Georgia, Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania accepted the results. These were all hard-core Trump supporters. This whole “stop the steal” nonsense came out of Trump’s head, and his supporters were a handful of wackos like Sydney Powell, Mike Lindell and Rudy Giuliani. Trump made up this lie, he still has no evidence of it, and he called that protest and he incited that riot. That riot wouldn’ t have happened if Trump hadn’t organized it (nobody else did!) and when he spoke, he told them that if they didn’t stop the steal, they wouldn’t have a country. Low and behold…. They did not stop the “steal,” yet, America’s still here!

Trump could have done dozens of things better, starting with not running huge elective deficits during a strong economy, modeling and advocating responsible vax and mask use, not deliberately lying to America about COVID being no big deal when he knew otherwise, not pretending that it would magically disappear by Easter, not gassing up unapproved alternative medicines etc. What America needed was a smart POTUS who would tell people the truth, STFU when medical experts are talking and then proselytize and model the prescribed response. Instead Trump did the opposite of all of that. He actively misled the public, he actively undermined masking protocol, he didn't promote vaccine use, he held very public superspreader events that even sickened and killed his political allies. And he did all of that because he discovered that the deplorables he depended on didn't like the truth about COVID or any of the steps they should have been following. As always, he put political expedience over doing the right thing for the people. He could have been a leader, brought the country together and cemented his reelection. Instead he was a follower, and he followed the ignorant yokels instead of the medical community. The "Biden economy" is as defined by the pandemic as much as the Obama economy was defined by the Great Recession. Republicans hand Democrats dumpster-fire economies in extreme crisis--and then spend the next 4 years bltching about the challenges of recovery as if Obama or Biden were responsible for those difficulties. If you want to oversimplify what happens economically to assign blame to whoever is sitting the Oval Office in a given circumstance, that's silly. But at least farking be consistent. You want to give Trump a free pass on his last year while blaming the shit out of Biden for the pains of recovery.

Semantics? You are on here lying and fear-mongering about how The Capitol was almost burned down. You never had a case to rebuttal, you clown. Another lie. You wouldn't have to keep lying if you had good arguments or an honest position to advance.

No, there isn't. There may be a video of a grill with meat on it, and some clowns calling it cat, but that's it. A guy carrying roadkill off the street...that's evidence of cats and dogs being kidnapped and eaten? LOL What evidence? People saying goofy shit online is evidence now? Oookay.

No. To be honest, the people on the side of, “Let’s keep the Confederate generals memorialized” are not “very fine people.” You’d think people would just move past all that. The Civil War was a war that would continue or end slavery, as well as the existence of the United States. Being on the side of “We should have kept slavery” and/or “We should have destroyed the United States” is being on the wrong side. It’s not being a “very fine person.”

Burn down the Capital? Such bullshit is only possible from complete id1ots.

The actual conservatives gave up a long time ago and with delusional nonsense like you just listed off I can see why.

Even if you actually had a point, the fact that the first word of your post was "Leftards" shows you have no interest in a really participating in a good faith conversations but simply to regergutate useless taking points.

I'm 100% sure Lake Winnipeg isn't a human being and therefore shouldn't have the rights of one. But we do a terrible job with keeping our waters clean and healthy so agree on that point.

Yes....but he votes and that makes me sad. Lol

Leftards think that "the Trump economy lost a record number of jobs in 2020" 🤣 No real reason, just "Trump's economy failed". I promise I'm not joking. These cultist retards pretend to have completely forgotten about a little thing called covid. The Biden administration even cites the return of those jobs as some kind of "Bidenomics" success. Bottom line: The only metric by which the cultists can find fault with the Trump economy is that "Jobs were lost during the covid lockdowns".

Yes I noticed this the first time I saw him go off the rails. Suddenly emoji everywhere!

https://nypost.com/2024/09/11/opinion/heres-the-fact-check-that-abc-didnt-give-kamala-harris/ Here is your "evidence".

You left out Trump's TWO biggest superspreader events: 1. The travel "ban" from China during which he let 40,000 citizens fly back to the US with NO mask requirements, testing, tracking nor quarantine. 2. The travel ban from Europe which was announced without planning and led to thousands of people rushing to the very crowded airports in a panic without masks, as well as the spreader practices listed in #1. Of course, we don't know how many cases of COVID those caused cause NO ONE kept track of the travelers. 🤮 But you're stupid enough to defend the guy who was convicted of sex offenses.

I would get behind a criticism of ABC if these claims were confirmed or posted by a halfway trusted source. Right now it's just a unverified and anonymous claim from a MAGA guy on Twitter and nothing more.

Gore tried to steal the election by selectively recounting votes that would favor him the most. He wanted to "interpret" votes in the recount that would favor him most. He tried to selectively throw out votes from being counted from the military that he knew would favor him least. Those are all wrongful measures he engaged in to steal the election and destroy Democracy. And even after, him and his followers have continued on with the lie, saying that the Supreme Court stole the election for Bush and that Gore should have won.

You think and write like a caveman and call other people stupid? Man you need to evolve some self-awareness already.

The leftard cultists spend half their time telling lies about Trump to incite violence against him, then they try to pretend that the assassination attempts have nothing to do with the leftard cultist screed.

Ur in the same league of stupid as robo-dweeb. Go peddle ur lies to someone else.

The most generous interpretation of Trump's comments about the very fine people in Charlottesville was he didn't know it was a neo-Nazi rally put on by neo-Nazis for neo-Nazis and other white supremacist scum on account of him being stupid, but that's not much of an excuse.

Grow up, donkey. Just because you keep telling the same lies, to the point where even Goebbels would blush, doesn't make them true. There's actually a thread in this section of the forum that's entirely devoted to the Dems' violent, hateful and divisive rhetoric which caused the assassination attempts on the president. You can talk about your Charlottesville lie and your "immigrants are animals" lie over there. You guys have so many lies and false narratives going around right now that we need to compartmentalize them all to stay on track This thread is specifically about the leftards' creative accounting/lies regarding the covid "jobs lost" and "jobs created" categories. Re: the economy, leftards like to pretend that the 2020 jobs lost and 2021 jobs recovered were 'normal' jobs lost/created by their respective WH administrations, when they were quite obviously 'covid' jobs lost/recovered. Like I said before, covid job losses were the only blemish on Trump's otherwise stellar, record-breaking economy. He can't actually be blamed for covid-related job losses due to lockdowns, but Dems need something to point to, so as usual the Dems lie,by trying to pretend that 2020 job losses had nothing to do with covid lockdowns. Anyone with an IQ over 12 can spot that lie from a mile away, but some Demi sheeple are still dumb enough to believe it.

Ahhh yes, the "Claim that the actual explanation is invalid because it's some species of "old" tactic without offering an actual reasoned argument" I don't recall trump burning down the capital? Are you perhaps referring to when the dems supported riots that burned several cites and cost over 4 billion in damages?

Or that the attendees of a neo-Nazi rally organized by neo-Nazis for neo-Nazis and other white supremacist scumbags were just history buffs lol.

Its the only way they will learn. I want to see the DOJ dragging liberals out of their homes at 8am on Saturday morning in front of their crying kids with fully armed SWAT teams over the dumbest shit we can find to drag them into court for and arrest them over.

I think you're actual strategic problem is that the maga movement is so invested in extremist poltitical dialogue that they sometimes openly acknowledge is not literally true but is done for effect. They are ok with trumps over-the-top lies and exaggerations, and whole right-wing ecosystem of misinformation and conspiracy theories because they believe it's all for a noble cause, right? The long term impact is that nothing in the right wing sphere is actually trustworthy beyond pure tribal loyalty. Nothing they say can be believed as true. There is a normal level of political spin like you're complaining about but the far right has constructed elaborate insane fabricated lies like democrats ritually drinking the blood of children and batshit crazy stuff like this.

How does..."up yours" sound? I will not stop because the truth is on my side. You...on the other hand... have to deny truth at all costs. You actively warp reality to make your point. Nobody said Pence could magically pick a winner. This is just another in a long line of lies and warped ideas you try desperately to peddle, hoping nobody will notice. Well...I noticed. I will opine on this though. Should Trump will this election, I whole heartedly hope he turns the justice system and the SCOTUS on you freaks and allow you to experience the joys of being made out to be criminals.

Trump is closer to maxing out the number of people who would ever vote for him, statistically drawn overwhelmingly from elderly less educated white guys. Harris has a far bigger pool of eligible voters who are under 50 but statistically less likely to turn out. So the strategy for both is trying to activate new and younger voters. That's why trump is going on so many podcasts followed by millions of younger white men.

The jobs were lost and your denial won't change that reality. ^Desperation FTL!

You need to start thinking of him in terms of comedic value.

I even used a lwnj website. And not just any lwnj website...THEEEE lwnj website. And somehow that makes me an idyot? He's such a waste of time.

It's intended as humor. Most people would have found it funny. As a liberal female we know that you are more prone to mental health issues so it probably wouldn't seem that way to you. But to most people it would. I'll see if I can get a sarcasm sign for you

FFS, Russia has been bombing civilian targets in Ukrainian cities for a year and a half. Putin's nuclear threats are just bluster. The US, Britain and France have nuclear arsenals and the means to deliver them.

LOL no we haven't! FFS a) neither introduced a 'new form of capitalism', and b) both of those people have been gone for 40 years and in both cases there's been right and left wing gov'ts in power. Are you saying Biden is a proponent of 'predatory capitalism'? Give your head a shake. It still governs how our economies operate. Corporations and the ultra rich have seen their fortunes increase by orders of magnitude, all at the expense of the middle and working classes. Ahh yes, the 'all conservatives think the same" routine Nothing is absolute. There is such a thing as a bad tax cuts. Cutting taxes to zero would have a negative effect. And they're rarely effective if done without other measures as well. BUT - they are also very often EXTREMELY effective. If done right. Nothing gov't does can really 'create' business. What gov't does is provide a fertile ground for business. High taxes salts the earth. They pretty much are. TONNES of us businesses moved to canada during harper's time for that reason, to the point where it became a major story in the states. Business investment is now FLEEING canada for the first time in history. Look how much foreign investment has fled Canada since the Liberals took over | Financial Post It should be noted he changed the definition of both to make that work for him. Government services and taxes hurt the economy. They all do. Some are necessary and the 'hurt' is worth it. Haivng a military for example. We make no profit from that. But obviously it is to be kept as low as possible. IF we can't pay for it without borrowing aside from the occasional downturn, then we cna't afford it and should do without it. Trudeau has spent almost 70 million on a gun buy back that hasn't bought a single gun. He spent 250 million on 6 days of airline food. Hundreds of millions on an app that didnt' work and someone recreated on their spare time over a weekend for fun. There's shittonnes of room for spending AND tax cuts and that ABSOLUTELY WILL make a huge difference to our economy.

This has never happened before.

Well you are a democrat so it's only natural you would revel in people suffering. I mean as a group that's kind of what you're all about, hatred and division right?

So...let's get this straight: You felt compelled to rehash a previous discussion in which at least three people laughed you out of the conversation, but I'm the one who just can't help myself. I need to admit that I'm wrong, because...you quoted the Kazakh Prime Minister? Or because you said so? 🙄 That's some funny shit man.

You've laughed your ass of so many times the banks won't lend you anymore, is that it?

Are you asking him to lend you money?

"Facts" in this case being an unsourced, unverified, anonymous twitter post. You're so dumb.

This is what happens when the political system ignores the mounting environmental problems it causes. Says the illiterate religion that scoffs at science by maintaining there is a Planet B up in Heaven.

Poilievre is an opportunist who wants the power at any cost. He reminds me of dark days of Harper government.

Why is Putin allowed to attack Ukraine, but not the other way around?

and his threats of "red lines" have been crossed over and over again, and revealed as impotent. Bullying with nuclear and chemical weapons is an actual red line for the rest of the world (including China). It's not going to happen just for the sake of a murderous dictators' vanity.

Oh FFS Moscow is allowed to strike Kiev, but some other country is justified in forbidding Kiev to strike back? Give your neighbour a shovel to qwws his garden but forbid him to use it?

Which is God's will, not Trudeau's. Fu ck Putin.