Iran War

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Trump is a symptom - Bush and Cheney were just stepping stones along a path towards inevitability America has always been on. You've said yourself repeatedly Trump is just another president giving America what it's always voted for.

 

So you're saying freedom and democracy are the problem  

Well you HAVE spoken out against both strongly before so i can't criticize you for being consistent. 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you're saying freedom and democracy are the problem

Nope.

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well you HAVE spoken out against both strongly before so i can't criticize you for being consistent. 

Nope, you just can't help but be a dingbat about things is all.

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope.

 

Yep.  And you've said it before. 

But if you'd like to clarify your point you were trying to make now maybe you should do that 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Nope, you just can't help but be a dingbat about things is all.

LOL That's what you say when you know i'm right and you're angry about it  

You've been QUITE specific and vocal about your dislike of democracy and freedoms, on many occasions going back years.  LOL you've probably been 'saying it for decades now".   

And in fairness that's in keeping with liberal thinking these days and the left in general. So that makes some sense. 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Trump is a symptom - Bush and Cheney were just stepping stones along a path towards inevitability America has always been on. You've said yourself repeatedly Trump is just another president giving America what it's always voted for.

 

 

That's right...Donald Trump is just another U.S. president in the right place at the right time to defeat other candidates...and he did it twice.   America is the same as it ever was...makes no sense to pretend otherwise just because "bad orange man" is the president.

[Gaétan]

They are trying to cause famine and kill children, just as they did in Iraq, hoping to force a change of government. But it didn’t work in Iraq, and it won’t work in Iran either.

[User]

19 hours ago, Gaétan said:

They are trying to cause famine and kill children, just as they did in Iraq, hoping to force a change of government. But it didn’t work in Iraq, and it won’t work in Iran either.

You would like that too, keep those terrorist thugs in power in Iran. 

[gatomontes99]

For all the JCPOA worshipers:

Chuckles basically says the deal mostly sucked. 

 

[BeaverFever]

Meanwhile the 17,000 ex-employees of Spirit Airlines are surely “sick of winning” after Trump’s epic mismanagement of his unnecessary war of choice that forced their employer to go bust. Not that anyone can afford to fly anymore thanks to Trumpflation. 

[Legato]

20 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Meanwhile the 17,000 ex-employees of Spirit Airlines are surely “sick of winning” after Trump’s epic mismanagement of his unnecessary war of choice that forced their employer to go bust. Not that anyone can afford to fly anymore thanks to Trumpflation. 

More selective bullshit from the most selective bullshitter.

Spirit Airlines ceased operations and went out of business on May 2, 2026, after years of severe financial trouble, including accumulated losses of over $2.5 billion since 2020 and two bankruptcies within the last year (November 2024 and August 2025). The carrier struggled with high debt, rising fuel costs, and a failed merger attempt. 

[User]

16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Meanwhile the 17,000 ex-employees of Spirit Airlines are surely “sick of winning” after Trump’s epic mismanagement of his unnecessary war of choice that forced their employer to go bust. Not that anyone can afford to fly anymore thanks to Trumpflation. 

You continue to be one of the most outrageously partisan hacks on this forum. 

Spirit has been bleeding money for years now.

3 minutes ago, Legato said:

More selective bullshit from the most selective bullshitter.

Spirit Airlines ceased operations and went out of business on May 2, 2026, after years of severe financial trouble, including accumulated losses of over $2.5 billion since 2020 and two bankruptcies within the last year (November 2024 and August 2025). The carrier struggled with high debt, rising fuel costs, and a failed merger attempt. 

He woke up this morning, stubbed his toe, and cursed Trump for making him do it. 

[BeaverFever]

22 minutes ago, User said:

You continue to be one of the most outrageously partisan hacks on this forum. 

Spirit has been bleeding money for years now.

Yet it was the Trump-made economic crisis who sealed their fate. Nothing partisan about that FACT YOU calling ME partisan is hilarious  You’re the guy who said the Trump family signing up mysterious anonymous donors to a completely unregulated private bribe club that blatantly advertises selling access is no different than when legal US citizens make a heavily regulated public donation and get invited to a one-time public dinner  You’re the guy who said Trump’s attempts to steal the 2020 election with forged electoral certificate,  pressuring election officials to falsify vote counts, and bogus lawsuits full of blatant lies and trying to cause a constitutional crisis by obstruct the Jan 6 vote is no different than Al Gore attempting to exercise the explicit legal right to a manual recount described in Florida election law law  

And in other news, Trump continues to be the gift that keeps on giving to Putin as he now pledges to move an entire US brigade out of Europe because a European leader described his Iran debacle in unflattering terms during an interview. .  America’s global strategic military posture is now determined based on the snowflake president’s level of butthurt from people’s random comments. And you’re ok with that because YOU are the partisan hack. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Meanwhile the 17,000 ex-employees of Spirit Airlines are surely “sick of winning” after Trump’s epic mismanagement of his unnecessary war of choice that forced their employer to go bust. Not that anyone can afford to fly anymore thanks to Trumpflation. 

Government could have taken a fuel taxes often save that Airline. They chose not to.

Wars are going to happen. Biden cheerfully let the Russians invade ukraine and trump has attacked iran and the data suggests that the next president will have to contend with a war as well.  ANd all of those wars affect fuel prices and food etc. 

So... where was our gov'ts plan? Why didn't they listen to the conservatives and save that airline by easing the huge fuel taxes on airplanes?

They could have done so easily and that was their job, but as usual the left wants to blame someone else. 

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Meanwhile the 17,000 ex-employees of Spirit Airlines are surely “sick of winning” after Trump’s epic mismanagement of his unnecessary war of choice that forced their employer to go bust. Not that anyone can afford to fly anymore thanks to Trumpflation. 

This is noteworthy. Trump usually just bankrupts his own businesses.

I guess it's just part of making America great again... He works in mysterious ways.

[John Johnston]

Everything Trump touches turns to shit. It has always been that way. I don't know why anybody would be surprised. Every single day the man makes America weaker and poorer. Yet they still cling to some misguided belief that he is some kind of mystical warrior of the common man. 

[John Johnston]

14 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

Everything Trump touches turns to shit. It has always been that way. I don't know why anybody would be surprised. Every single day the man makes America weaker and poorer. Yet they still cling to some misguided belief that he is some kind of mystical warrior of the common man. 

The War that was unnecessary and definitely not thought out. 

[Nationalist]

War aside...it appears Spirit would be operational today had Pocahontas and her fellow Dumbocrats not stopped Spirit from merging with JetBlue.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/sen-warren-blasted-cheering-blocking-merger-might-have-saved-spirit-airlines

Yet another failure brought to you by the party of destruction and stupidity.

Thanks Dumbocrats. Great call.

Edited May 3 by Nationalist

[User]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Yet it was the Trump-made economic crisis who sealed their fate. Nothing partisan about that FACT YOU calling ME partisan is hilarious  You’re the guy who said the Trump family signing up mysterious anonymous donors to a completely unregulated private bribe club that blatantly advertises selling access is no different than when legal US citizens make a heavily regulated public donation and get invited to a one-time public dinner  You’re the guy who said Trump’s attempts to steal the 2020 election with forged electoral certificate,  pressuring election officials to falsify vote counts, and bogus lawsuits full of blatant lies and trying to cause a constitutional crisis by obstruct the Jan 6 vote is no different than Al Gore attempting to exercise the explicit legal right to a manual recount described in Florida election law law  

And in other news, Trump continues to be the gift that keeps on giving to Putin as he now pledges to move an entire US brigade out of Europe because a European leader described his Iran debacle in unflattering terms during an interview. .  America’s global strategic military posture is now determined based on the snowflake president’s level of butthurt from people’s random comments. And you’re ok with that because YOU are the partisan hack. 

First, Iran closed the Strait. Why do you cover for them?

Second, you continue to push a dishonest take on what a "bribe" is or that this is how politics works across the board. There is nothing "heavily regulated" or public, about people donating to a PAC or doing so through a non-profit anonymously.  Hence, why you are a partisan hack. Like almost every discussion, you ran away from that discussion before, just to come back and mindlessly repeat the same BS.

Somehow you think this is not buying access...

"— Among them were Roger Altman, the co-founder of the investment banking firm Evercore. Altman gave the maximum $5,600 to Biden directly in 2020, and FEC records show he kicked in $200,000 toward the pro-Biden super PAC Unite the Country. He cut a $185,000 check for another pro-Biden super PAC, and gave $91,000 to a joint fundraising committee between the Biden campaign and DNC."
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-influence/2022/12/02/which-biden-donors-scored-invites-to-the-state-dinner-00071982

Third, Trump never pressured anyone to falsify vote counts; that is your dishonest partisan hack spin. 

Fourth, "bogus lawsuits" is the name of the game... they are only bogus until they are not. Also, I never said anything about supporting them all or how that all played out like it did. 

Fifth, Trump never tried to "steal" an election and if the legal challenges he made played out lawfully there was nothing fake about it. Which is exactly why those "fake" electors are not in prison because if you read the fine print, the vast majority of them signed off on, it explicitly said as much. Only something like 2 groups didn't have that explicit language and that didn't change their motives or the plan. 

Sixth, any obstruction of the J6 vote Trump pursued was an entirely lawful mechanism to do so. As stupid and contrived as it was. 

Seventh, you ran away and pushed so many lies about Al Gore... his attempts to twist and contort the law were just as legal and lawful as anything Trump was trying to do. He lost. He lost the recounts. His only hope was getting some kind of hand recount where the counters interpreted people's votes because they were too stupid to push a hole through a piece of paper, or maybe not... who knows, not Al Gore's job to try to interpret them selectively. 

Eighth, You sit on here bragging about and cheering on Europe and Canada doing away with the US... now you cry about wanting the US to keep troops in Germany? Why doesn't Canada send 5,000 troops there? I guess that is because you want Putin to win?! Why Does Canada support Putin?

I am perfectly fine pulling troops out of Europe because you are all a bunch of free loaders off NATO that have been shirking your duties for decades and now cheer on and brag about closing air space and taking petty passive actions to oppose America. You don't get to have it both ways, where you beg and cry for our military support and then turn your backs on us and act petty because you don't like what we are doing. 

 

 

 

 

 

[gatomontes99]

VDH with some really good comments on the war. 

The bug takeaway is that the war is over from a military perspective. Now it is just a waiting game. The benefits are numerous, especially when it comes to China but also Russia. 

 

[robosmith]

On 3/25/2026 at 8:09 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

In other words, Trump is just another U.S. president doing what presidents have always done, particularly in the western hemisphere.   Such "bullies" they all be, because it is in the job description.

You've missed the huge variance in US persecution of the Cuban governments.

[Gaétan]

On 5/3/2026 at 7:54 PM, robosmith said:

You've missed the huge variance in US persecution of the Cuban governments.

Trump is going to try to starve children in the hope of forcing a regime change, in Iran as well. They did the same in Iraq with no result. American governments are so cruel. Congress is arguing about how much the war is costing them, not about the victims, which shows their moral depravity

Edited May 6 by Gaétan

[Nationalist]

On 5/3/2026 at 7:54 PM, robosmith said:

You've missed the huge variance in US persecution of the Cuban governments.

And it looks like they're next on the list.

Its a consolidation project.

[User]

14 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Trump is going to try to starve children in the hope of forcing a regime change, in Iran as well. They did the same in Iraq with no result. American governments are so cruel. Congress is arguing about how much the war is costing them, not about the victims, which shows their moral depravity

How is Trump starving children? 
 

We never starved any children in Iraq. 
 

Let’s face it, you support evil terrorists and evil leaders. 
 

What morals do you have? You support terrorists and terrorism. 

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, User said:

How is Trump starving children? 
 

We never starved any children in Iraq. 
 

Let’s face it, you support evil terrorists and evil leaders. 
 

What morals do you have? You support terrorists and terrorism. 

He has no morals...per sae...he hs his wife's approved morality...

And point to make.

[robosmith]

22 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And it looks like they're next on the list.

Its a consolidation project.

Of course just like with Iran, Trump has NO LEGAL JUSTIFICATION to topple a foreign government absent an IMMINENT THREAT to the US. 

Of course the LAW will not stop Trump NOR YOU.

If your public behavior were in line with your cowardly BULLY TALK HERE, you'd be in jail.

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Of course just like with Iran, Trump has NO LEGAL JUSTIFICATION to topple a foreign government absent an IMMINENT THREAT to the US. 

Of course the LAW will not stop Trump NOR YOU.

If your public behavior were in line with your cowardly BULLY TALK HERE, you'd be in jail.

Iran is an Isreal thing. I think it was a mistake to let Netanyahu talk Trump and his administration into this. But "the law" has nothing to do with it.

Tweenkie-Poo...my public behavior is exactly in line with my opinions. 

Enjoy the regime change in Cuba.