Cons to Debate Things Normal Canadians like

[TreeBeard]

37 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Afraid that likely won't turn out good for you. 

I bet I’ll do just fine.   You witch-burners are going to be in trouble though.  

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Your employer hasn't gone woke yet

My boss is old school he couldn't give a shit. It's actually the government that maintained this status quo throughout the age of DEI, on the certificates they hand out. I was spared and its probably too late now that all the right-wing moral panic over DEI is receding in the rearview mirror.

Oddly enough I've never seen female skippers demanding a Mistress Certificate. I know some of the first...Mistresses...sure had to struggle to get Transport Canada to even issue them a Master's certificate back in the day. They're still full of old school farts too I guess.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Where’s your data? 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/abortion-rates-by-country

Sweden - 18/1000 women

Norway - 11

Finland - 6.5

Canada - 12

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/abortion-rates-by-country

They changed leaders to someone who is unelectable!  😂 

AI Overview

Canada's abortion rate is higher than that of the Nordic countries overall. However, specific rates can vary by year and individual country. 

 

Comparison of Abortion Rates

Data from 2023/2024 shows the following approximate abortion rates per 1,000 women of childbearing age: 

• Canada: 17.28
• Sweden: 21.92 (Higher than Canada)
• Denmark: 16.33 (Lower than Canada)
• Iceland: 14.94 (Lower than Canada)
• Norway: 14.68 (Lower than Canada) 

For all Nordic countries collectively in 2023, the rate was 12.1 abortions per 1,000 women, which is lower than Canada's rate. 

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

AI Overview

Canada's abortion rate is higher than that of the Nordic countries overall. However, specific rates can vary by year and individual country. 

 

Comparison of Abortion Rates

Data from 2023/2024 shows the following approximate abortion rates per 1,000 women of childbearing age: 

• Canada: 17.28
• Sweden: 21.92 (Higher than Canada)
• Denmark: 16.33 (Lower than Canada)
• Iceland: 14.94 (Lower than Canada)
• Norway: 14.68 (Lower than Canada) 

For all Nordic countries collectively in 2023, the rate was 12.1 abortions per 1,000 women, which is lower than Canada's rate. 

Some are higher, some are lower.  All are quite similar. Except Greenland.   For having no laws, why isn’t Canada way above these countries?

[Politics1990]

18 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I think the conservatives dodged a bullet there...

actually no otoole would of been a decent pm.  he's  actually had a job in his life unlike  PP

18 hours ago, Army Guy said:

NO conservatives are talking/ thinking/ planning / anything about abortion....that's the liberals bring up a non issue to curry favor with people like you, and good on you for voting Liberal that's how a democracy works.......Besides Canada is to divided to discuss anything let alone abortion....case in point 

plenty of back bench ones talk about it so don't gimmie that lol.  and the party supporters bring it up each convention so don't bs me saying its all the libs .. the cons definatly  discuss it and think about it.

Edited January 13 by Politics1990

[ironstone]

8 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

actually no otoole would of been a decent pm.  he's  actually had a job in his life unlike  PP

Poilievre helped start a company in 2003 called 3D Contact. Was there any difference between O'Toole and Justin Trudeau besides the hair?

People keep saying Poilievre is unelectable, and in a sense that's true as long as leftist focus only on personality instead of actual policies or heaven forbid, the poor record of the Liberals since 2015. But PP did get much better results than the red tory O'Toole did.

O'Toole vs Poilievre election results:

Election Year	Leader	Seats Won	Popular Vote	Vote Percentage	Seat Change
2021	Erin O'Toole	119	5,747,410	33.74%	-2
2025	Pierre Poilievre	144	8,113,484	41.31%	+25

 

Edited January 13 by ironstone

[herbie]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

People keep saying Poilievre is unelectable, and in a sense that's true as long as leftist focus only on personality instead of actual policies or heaven forbid

Jeez do you ever twist shit ass backwards. The lack of alternative policy is exactly why people dislike him.
Xero real economic polkcy, turning the lack of a climate policy that cost them 3 elections into an outright anti-environment policy and focusing on crime (again) as if punishing people harder will make your lift better and the usual BS that they can cut the deficit by cutting their own source of re4venue (taxes)

[Moonlight Graham]

19 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

Oddly enough I've never seen female skippers demanding a Mistress Certificate. I know some of the first...Mistresses...sure had to struggle to get Transport Canada to even issue them a Master's certificate back in the day. They're still full of old school farts too I guess.

Yes it goes both ways.  Discrimination based on race, sex etc is wrong.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yes it goes both ways.  Discrimination based on race, sex etc is wrong.

What about age?

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

actually no otoole would of been a decent pm.  he's  actually had a job in his life unlike  PP

plenty of back bench ones talk about it so don't gimmie that lol.  and the party supporters bring it up each convention so don't bs me saying its all the libs .. the cons definatly  discuss it and think about it.

DO you see it in any of their platforms ? No it is all liberal trash talk...

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yes it goes both ways.  Discrimination based on race, sex etc is wrong.

Correcting racism of the past is not racism.   Workplaces should reflect society, if the people meet the requirements.  
 

How is it racist to remove privilege from white people so things are more equal?

[ironstone]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

Jeez do you ever twist shit ass backwards. The lack of alternative policy is exactly why people dislike him.
Xero real economic polkcy, turning the lack of a climate policy that cost them 3 elections into an outright anti-environment policy and focusing on crime (again) as if punishing people harder will make your lift better and the usual BS that they can cut the deficit by cutting their own source of re4venue (taxes)

Lack of alternative policy? It's there, you just dismiss all of it outright even though you can't seem to grasp that the policies of the current government, which has been in power for 10 years, are failing.

Conservative policy

Policy Focus	Details
Fiscal Responsibility	Emphasis on balanced budgets and reducing the national debt through controlled spending.
Taxation	Proposals for tax reductions, particularly for small businesses and families, to stimulate investment and consumption.
Free Markets	Support for free trade agreements and reducing trade barriers to encourage international commerce.
Economic Growth	Investment in infrastructure and technology to boost productivity and job creation.
Energy Policy	Advocacy for energy independence, supporting the oil and gas sector, and promoting energy exports.
Regulation	Reducing red tape and regulations to promote entrepreneurship and business growth.
Welfare Policies	A focus on reducing welfare dependency and promoting employment through targeted support programs. The debt has soared under the Liberals as have certain certain kinds of crime, homelessness. But you choose to ignore all that

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Correcting racism of the past is not racism.

First, thank you for proving my point perfectly with your posts.  JFC dude.

Denying people jobs because they don't have the right skin color is racism.

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Workplaces should reflect society, if the people meet the requirements. 

This is an extremely racist comment.

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

How is it racist to remove privilege from white people so things are more equal?

Seriously?  Lol.  What a disgusting thing to say.

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, ironstone said:

Lack of alternative policy? It's there, you just dismiss all of it outright even though you can't seem to grasp that the policies of the current government, which has been in power for 10 years, are failing.

Conservative policy

Policy Focus	Details
Fiscal Responsibility	Emphasis on balanced budgets and reducing the national debt through controlled spending.
Taxation	Proposals for tax reductions, particularly for small businesses and families, to stimulate investment and consumption.
Free Markets	Support for free trade agreements and reducing trade barriers to encourage international commerce.
Economic Growth	Investment in infrastructure and technology to boost productivity and job creation.
Energy Policy	Advocacy for energy independence, supporting the oil and gas sector, and promoting energy exports.
Regulation	Reducing red tape and regulations to promote entrepreneurship and business growth.
Welfare Policies	A focus on reducing welfare dependency and promoting employment through targeted support programs. The debt has soared under the Liberals as have certain certain kinds of crime, homelessness. But you choose to ignore all that

The conservatives can propose anything they want but the fact is...they are not in power (and Canadians chose to not have any one of the past 4 leaders lead them).

But conservatives crap all over Carney for his proposals and whine he is doing nothing with the MOU's and agreements with other countries yet, all you have is proposals that have no chance of ever happening and even if they could win an election, have no guarantees that any of the rhetorical proposals would even be there.

Blowing smoke up Canadian a$$es seems to be the conservative way

Another tactic is to compare Canadas economy with American. Here are some facts to absorb:

"America’s national debt just hit a number so massive it doesn't even feel real anymore: thirty-eight trillion dollars (U.S. Treasury). While most of us see that number and think "economic disaster," the truth is much more complicated. It’s not just a debt; it’s the foundation of a global system that Canada is deeply invested in.

There’s a common myth that America’s rivals own all this debt, but that’s just not true. About seventy-six percent of it is actually owned by Americans themselves—their own banks and pension funds (Federal Reserve). But it’s that other twenty-four percent held by foreign nations that acts as the "fuel" for the global economy (U.S. Treasury TIC Data).

Surprisingly, Canada is one of the biggest players here. We’re currently a top-five creditor to the United States, holding over four hundred and twenty-six billion dollars of their debt (U.S. Treasury). That works out to roughly ten thousand dollars for every single person living in Canada (Statistics Canada). We aren't just neighbours; we're one of the primary pillars holding up their financial house.

So, why are we lending them so much? It’s because the U.S. relies on this global cash to keep its interest rates low. When countries like Canada buy their debt, it keeps the American economy—and our biggest export market—stable and predictable (International Monetary Fund). It’s a massive "recycling program" for the dollars we earn from selling them our oil and cars.

But here’s the scary part. If the world suddenly stopped lending, the U.S. would have to spike interest rates to attract new money (Goldman Sachs Research). Because our economies are tethered, the Bank of Canada would likely have to follow suit to protect our currency (Bank of Canada). That means your mortgage in Toronto or Calgary could skyrocket because of a funding gap in Washington.

It’s a giant, interconnected suspension bridge. The U.S. needs the world to keep the cables tight, and we need that bridge to stay level so we can keep trading. We don't just "lend" them money; we’re essentially buying an insurance policy on our own economic stability (World Bank)."

 

 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

But conservatives crap all over Carney for his proposals and whine he is doing nothing with the MOU's

Well, as it turns out, what the point of the MOU with Alberta?

Yesterday, Carney met with Coastal First Nations (which is NOT a first nation, it's an NGO financed by American billionaires whose sole purpose is to block Canadian industry) and told them they have complete power of Veto, which they promptly did. So no pipeline.  No industry.  

So the MOU was useless.   And he knew it when he presented it.

I'm sure all his other MOUs are just as useless, too.  The man has no intention of promoting Canadian industry and prosperity.  It goes completely against his life-long pursuit of Net Zero.  

He's here to make money off carbon credits, carbon offsetting, etc.  Anything green that puts money in his own pocket.  Then he'll leave with his moneybags and Canada will be in squalor.

 

[ExFlyer]

20 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Well, as it turns out, what the point of the MOU with Alberta?

Yesterday, Carney met with Coastal First Nations (which is NOT a first nation, it's an NGO financed by American billionaires whose sole purpose is to block Canadian industry) and told them they have complete power of Veto, which they promptly did. So no pipeline.  No industry.  

So the MOU was useless.   And he knew it when he presented it.

I'm sure all his other MOUs are just as useless, too.  The man has no intention of promoting Canadian industry and prosperity.  It goes completely against his life-long pursuit of Net Zero.  

He's here to make money off carbon credits, carbon offsetting, etc.  Anything green that puts money in his own pocket.  Then he'll leave with his moneybags and Canada will be in squalor.

 

Complain complain complain...... It certainly is what you do best LOL

 

[Legato]

14 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Correcting racism of the past is not racism.   Workplaces should reflect society, if the people meet the requirements.  
 

How is it racist to remove privilege from white people so things are more equal?

Bullcrap

[Goddess]

12 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Complain complain complain...... It certainly is what you do best LOL

 

If you're ok with American billionaires funding an NGO whose sole purpose is to stop Canadian industry and that NGO having more power than Canadian voters, then fine.

Some of us are not.

[Goddess]

Carney is personally invested in American pipelines.

He doesn't care about Canadian pipelines.

He is doing what is best for himself.  If American oil & gas prospers, he prospers.  He  loses out if Canadians have pipelines.

[Goddess]

There are about 100 First Nations on the BC coast, of which 8 of them have a member on the board of Coastal First Nations.

BC has 53 cities.  Let's imagine 8 smaller-ish villages endorse a group called "BC Cities" and then Carney meets with them and claims to have consulted with "BC cities".

That's what just happened.

He just confirmed that he is setting aside the Constitution (which Liberals have done often) and granting an American anti-industry NGO power to veto interprovincial pipelines.

Canada is broken and the consequences to our economy will be severe.

 

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Another tactic is to compare Canadas economy with American.

Ok. Let's compare Canada to India instead............now we look pretty damn good! (India, our number one source of immigrants who integrate seamlessly with us)

Yes, things could be worse, but they could also be better. I am one of the fortunate one's. There has been a 17.5% increase in homelessness in this country over the last ten years, try telling them how great things are.

[ExFlyer]

43 minutes ago, Goddess said:

If you're ok with American billionaires funding an NGO whose sole purpose is to stop Canadian industry and that NGO having more power than Canadian voters, then fine.

Some of us are not.

I made a comment that you were a complainer and now you just add more fodder to your banter.

 

[ExFlyer]

21 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Ok. Let's compare Canada to India instead............now we look pretty damn good! (India, our number one source of immigrants who integrate seamlessly with us)

Yes, things could be worse, but they could also be better. I am one of the fortunate one's. There has been a 17.5% increase in homelessness in this country over the last ten years, try telling them how great things are.

Why the obsession with comparisons anyway???

Feeling insecure I guess LOL

Boo Hoo...everyone is better then us...

Boo Hoo we are so downtrodden.

Boo Hoo ...we have social problems ""homelessness is a significant and worsening global crisis, affecting hundreds of millions worldwide, manifesting as a lack of shelter, inadequate housing (like slums), and housing insecurity, driven by conflict, inequality, economic factors, and climate change, and recognized as a serious human rights violation. While precise numbers vary due to differing definitions, estimates suggest hundreds of millions lack adequate housing, with over 100 million experiencing absolute homelessness,"

In the middle east, there are millions sleeping in tents.  

[Goddess]

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Why the obsession with comparisons anyway???

Feeling insecure I guess LOL

Boo Hoo...everyone is better then us...

Boo Hoo we are so downtrodden.

Boo Hoo ...we have social problems ""homelessness is a significant and worsening global crisis, affecting hundreds of millions worldwide, manifesting as a lack of shelter, inadequate housing (like slums), and housing insecurity, driven by conflict, inequality, economic factors, and climate change, and recognized as a serious human rights violation. While precise numbers vary due to differing definitions, estimates suggest hundreds of millions lack adequate housing, with over 100 million experiencing absolute homelessness,"

In the middle east, there are millions sleeping in tents.  

That's a lot of words to say "Canadians should just STFU about anything the Liberal gov't does."

[ExFlyer]

27 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That's a lot of words to say "Canadians should just STFU about anything the Liberal gov't does."

Nope.

Like I said earlier, conservatives have done nothing but make proposals and complain for a very long time and Canadians are tired of it.

If they keep electing the horrific liberals that must tell you the conservatives are tiring and have nothing to offer but complaints while the liberals are doing what they are elected to do.

So, keep on whining and complaining..it obviously makes you feel better LOL