Imported Muslim terrorist offs 11 Jews celebrating the first day of Hanukkah.

[herbie]

Oh look gow outnumbered you are by those totally brainwashed with the idea of white supremacy that they can't even see it.
Few of us are capable of seeing the flawed misconceptions we've grown up programmed towards and attempt tp correct them. Far more obviously wish to celebrate those misconceptions as the truth.

Had to point out to my Scot wife once that our friend's grandparents worked building the railroads, her family was in fact the 'boat people'. She carried the prejudices she grew up with in Scotland, that the kids in High School and College with Greek, Italian, Hungarian and Japanese names were 'the foreigners'. She was actually disgusted by South Asians. Couldn't help it. Couldn't even try to recognize and overcome it, they were just facts of life in her mind.

[gatomontes99]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

he extremely simple minded racist would conclude exactly that, Reveals the years of brainwashing to come to such a conclusion and say it our loud.

Nothing reeks of desperation more than the r word. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

First of all, how can a perception be weak? It can be flawed or wrong. 

Semantics?

You said that you think 30/1.5M is the same as 0/15M, and you think that the topic that we need to discuss is whether your perception is weak or wrong? 

Quote

Secondly, I was talking about a study. That's not my perception. That's a study, an ostensibly objective investigation and fact-finding initiative. Not my perspective 

You're still "wrong", Michael.

What you're describing now is just your own confirmation bias....

Indisputable fact: the frequency and severity of body-count terrorist attacks from muslims within our own country is completely off the scale compared to what we have seen here from any other race, religion or creed. It is higher by several orders of magnitude, it's not like the difference is akin to a rounding error. And rather than take note of that glaring difference, which is observable from outer space, you are turning a bling eye to what you undoubtedly see & know, and choosing to adhere to the jabberings of a nonsensical "study" just because you prefer its message to the truth. 

MH, if Trump nuked 30 cities, and a group of 10 other American presidents had never nuked any cities or started any wars, you wouldn't hesitate to describe Trump as a bigger "nuker" and a warmonger than the others. And if I proposed that you hold off on your assessment of Trump's "alleged" penchant for nuking people until you read a "study" that proposed that the other guys were just as bad, you would dismiss it out-of-hand. You would LOVE to call Trump a nuker and you would be doing it 24/7, and if anyone said "You're racist for calling Trump a nuker" you would see that as the ad hominem defence that is was.

Now, not only are you exhibiting an iron dome confirmation bias, you're diminishing the value of people's lives by your farcical and cruel assault on the truth.

The victim's lives mattered, MH. Their tragedies were real. Their fear was real. Their injuries/loss of life were real. The loss suffered by their family members was real. When you say "Other stuff is just as bad" you're pissing on their graves, and in the faces of their loved ones, and that's psychotic. 

The expense that we bear as taxpayers, to defend ourselves from the terrorist attacks that almost exclusively come from one group of people here, is enormous. It's enormous for taxpayers, and it's onerous for anyone who wants to host any kind of event that's in any way offensive to the vast horde of hyper-bigoted muslims in our country. 

Quote

Thirdly, I called off this conversation because I said I didn't think I could follow this line of thinking... Wherein you framed attacks on Muslims as being somehow provoked by their culture or whatever. 

Buddy, every terrorist supporter in this forum says "It was understandable that muslims killed 1,200+ Jews on Oct 7th because less than 400 people were similarly massacred in 1948", yet I've never seen you take umbrage to any of their deranged rants.

To me, personally, it does matter that those terrorists killed Canadians. And it stands to reason that multiple attacks by them sparks outrage and anger. 

Again, if they didn't outrage people and make them angry, they never would have been attacked, would they?

The attacker even said it was because of their attacks. 

 

As far as muslim culture is concerned, mohamed is the central figure in their culture, and he was a violent bigot who murdered people 1) for money and/or 2) to force people to convert people to his religion. None of that is conjecture, MH. Learn about the guy. 

Do you think that being raised to worship a bigot/slaver/murderer somehow doesn't make one more likely to commit murder? Can you explain that to me? That sounds weird.

Quote

I just don't think that's a healthy point of view and I don't want to build on that point any further. 

You don't have to like the truth to realize that you have to deal with it.

Quote

Your perceptions are yours, but if you think that way I don't think we can come to any understanding on how the world is.

The facts are universal, and your study was bullshit. 

[Venandi]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

She carried the prejudices she grew up with in Scotland, that the kids in High School and College with Greek, Italian, Hungarian and Japanese names were 'the foreigners'. She was actually disgusted by South Asians. Couldn't help it. Couldn't even try to recognize and overcome it, they were just facts of life in her mind.

It might have been an accident but you've hit upon the real issue here and why that very issue worsens when demographic concentrations are ignored and the people within them are (largely) warehoused vertically in ethnic enclaves and allowed to ferment in ethnic isolation. 

Like Sweden, France and others; not doing this was the challenge we faced and it demanded hard work and money you (not actually you but we and us) were warned it would take well in advance of ignoring the advice.

We collectively didn't "front end load" the work or pay the upfront cost and as a result of that, we absolutely will pay a rear end fee (and it will be expensive).  

That simple reality was clearly articulated years ago as we started the experiment and it was shouted down as being racist. There was a prevailing notion that the first breath of cold Canadian air would (somehow) dissolve all of the prejudices, animosities and religious hatreds etc. that these folks fled from. The prevailing wisdom was that it would never fester and grow the same legs in a different country with different values, that we were above all of that and those who suggested human nature would prevail were Chuds.

IMO, it was a logical absurdity that stubbornly persists to this day.  

Regardless of sample size, be it a high-rise complex or ethnic neighbourhood, people will keep to the lifestyle, customs, traditions and religious observations (with all the  same warts) of the homeland they left behind. If you were displaced as an immigrant to a radically different country you would likely do the exact same thing.... as do most foreign expat workers in Muslim countries.  

When all of these animosities bubble to the surface and inevitably manifest with the same explosion of violence that happens "over there," there's a tendency to blame external factors like gun control... and miss the ensuing fire's ignition point and accelerant entirely.

As this continues to fester, other forms of violence follow... look at the home country for hints of what that will entail. My point in saying that is simply to predict that the discussions over gun control (as being causal) may soon become "the good old days."

Here's what I think will happen in the future:

First.... ethnic violence will come to town in ways that you will no longer be be able to ignore, reconcile or mitigate AND IT WILL SCARE YOU. That's the tipping point, when you get scared you will completely abandon the principles of freedom and fairness you now pretend to treasure.

The people who previously defended this experiment, the folks who screamed racist and deflected the reality of human nature will themselves fall victim to the conditions they created and defended. They will react badly and vote for strong action to correct the very mistakes they themselves once championed. The result will be draconian actions that cast a broad net and hurt a lot of innocent people.... and the zeal with which it is undertaken will come to offend people like me (who urged caution from the beginning) more than it will those who voted in the authors of chaos in the first place.

You can already see this playing out in real time if you choose to look and as it accelerates, the historical pleas to do it right, to pay the bills and consider the future effects of ethnic concentrations (50 years hence) will then come to be seen as moderate and logical in comparison to the chaos you will willing create to mitigate the chaos you previously created and championed.  

This is the reason I now support mandatory military service and a minimum of two foreign deployments prior to being included in the supplementary "citizen army" currently being considered in an alternate (and unrecognizable) galaxy far away.

The absurdity of the original idea now seems to be recognized by the military itself, and like those obnoxious "elbows up" T shirts that assaulted the senses of regular gym rats; it's now relegated to a trash heap labelled SFI... which stands for "Stupid fuc&^%$ Ideas."

 

Edited December 19, 2025 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 

The facts are universal, and your study was bullshit. 

Sorry, studies are all we have to build agreement on politics.  I'm fundamentally against your point of view on that.

And you don't seem to understand what I said - don't bother posting long laboursome posts to me anymore, I'm not continuing.  I don't think we have the right ingredients to discuss things to any positive outcome, my opinion.

Edited December 19, 2025 by Michael Hardner
grammar

[Venandi]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You don't have to like the truth to realize that you have to deal with it.

IMO, truth that aligns with observed reality isn't recognized for two main reasons (there are others of course) but: 

1. People who haven't been there don't recognize the depth / extent of the animosities or the lingering investment in the emotions, losses and injuries that created them in the first place.

Many immigrants will do just fine in a place like Canada until there is a political shift they can't bring themselves to abide... it may come in the form of Canada importing or supporting the very people the new arrivals see as the cause of them fleeing in the first place. The reaction will likely be volatile/violent.... same as back home. Expecting Palestinian Canadians to get along with Israeli Canadians in close quarters is more optimistic than my experience with both parties allows me to share at any level of the reality spectrum; and

2. People will falsely assume that breathing crisp Canadian air and participating in a political system that (essentially) saved them will be sufficient for them to lay aside previous injuries and animosities. Some can and do, they are the ones that thrive... but, that's simply not regular human nature and it flies directly in the face of real hatred and real injury. The extreme end of that spectrum of hurt and loss is something most Canadians simply can't relate to, they will use their own losses and injuries as examples of "overcoming adversity" and mistakenly assume that there is a correlation between the two solitudes... usually there isn't. 

At the lowest possible level of what I mean, take a moment and look at the petty animosities and inflamed rhetoric right here on this forum. People who have never even met IRL despise each other and the injuries that inflamed them are as childish and petty as their over the top reactions and name calling.

Do you think it's possible to have a rational conversation with Flybaby or Roboduh? I don't. 

They and others like them are willing participants in a problem they argue doesn't exist.  Their level of participation, and the gleefulness of that participation actually trashes their own argument that it can be overcome... and they can't even see it.

If you want to understand the mindset we're talking about here, imagine getting up in the morning, systematically following each and every post of a highly prolific poster and dropping a blood trail to connect each one of them. Then, after a cup of coffee, suggesting that getting along with radically different religions and cultures is something easily accomplished.

 

Edited December 19, 2025 by Venandi

[ironstone]

Australia, France, Germany cancel Christmas events and new years eve fireworks.

The use of bollards to prevent vehicles being used as weapons is becoming more common in certain countries.

And many people(all on the left)are still loath to admit there is a problem.

We too have a big problem in Canada.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/opinion-liberals-embrace-islamic-extremism-in-canada/ar-AA1FHZlL

 Numerous terrorist leaders and those with intimate connections to terrorist organizations such as Samidoun and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine have been permitted to migrate within the Canadian state and promote their own nihilistic ideology over the past decade.

Islamic schools in Canada are not compelled to abide by a standardized curriculum and, consequently, covertly promote radical Islamic ideology and extremism to vulnerable children in Canada. At one prominent Islamic school in Canada, the East End Madrassah, administrators were recently pressured to issue a public apology after it was exposed for “… teaching children that treacherous Jews conspired to kill the Islamic Prophet Mohammed.”

Edited December 19, 2025 by ironstone

[User]

16 hours ago, herbie said:

Few of us are capable of seeing the flawed misconceptions we've grown up programmed towards and attempt tp correct them. Far more obviously wish to celebrate those misconceptions as the truth.

Ah yes, only you leftists are capable of knowing the truth! I guess you are admitting you are a white supremacist, though?

 

[Goddess]

52 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Australia, France, Germany cancel Christmas events and new years eve fireworks.

When the main culture cannot even celebrate their own holidays in safety and peace, it's too late. You've been taken over.

Lived experience of the citizenry, is something these radical left governments have demonized for years now.  they tell you that you can't trust your own self.  Someone telling us what to do, what to see, what to believe, what to think.

 

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ― George Orwell, 1984

[Legato]

 

[Deluge]

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You want to deport people who vote NDP.... okaay...

I want to deport traitors to this country. I would LOVE to do that.  

[Deluge]

21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yes, yes, no, no.
2. No.
3. Yes, yes, no.
4. No.
5. No.
6. No.

I guess you're not going to answer my answer about deporting NDP voters are you ?

You don't think I know what I'm talking about, but you're not answering my questions... also getting a little angry with me.  All I'm trying to do is understand you.  Maybe we can take a little break, then.  Things are getting overheated.

Have a day.

I'm always ready to answer questions, Mike, and I won't give cheap yes, yes, no, no answers. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sorry, studies is all we have to build agreement on politics. 

"All we have"?

What are you talking about?

We have facts. We have current events. We have recent knowledge. The living memory of people we trust. 

FYI, in a lot of instances, "a study" is just another word for spin, and yours is a prime example of: "Ignore what you're seeing with your own eyes, and listen to our story."

 

Here's a study for ya: 98% of terrorist attacks causing death are by muslims.

How much more studying do you need to do to figure out who the terrorist risks are? 

Quote

I'm fundamentally against your point of view on that.

You're fundamentally against the basic facts. 

Quote

And you don't seem to understand what I said - don't bother posting long laboursome posts to me anymore, I'm not continuing.  I don't think we have the right ingredients to discuss things to any positive outcome, my opinion.

I'm not gonna be misunderstood here, and I'm not leaving the pertinent facts out of the debate and then giving credence to your bogus study by pretending there's any merit at all. 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

At the lowest possible level of what I mean, take a moment and look at the petty animosities and inflamed rhetoric right here on this forum. People who have never even met IRL despise each other and the injuries that inflamed them are as childish and petty as their over the top reactions and name calling.

Do you think it's possible to have a rational conversation with Flybaby or Roboduh? I don't. 

They and others like them are willing participants in a problem they argue doesn't exist.  Their level of participation, and the gleefulness of that participation actually trashes their own argument that it can be overcome... and they can't even see it.

I really liked your post. It was thought-provoking, which is a pretty high compliment imo.

When it comes to that point though, I gotta say, I really do hate people from this forum that I've never met, and I don't feel like that hatred is unwarranted. 

1. If it's possible to hate Hitler without meeting him, then it's possible to hate people who publicly supported vax-fascism in this country. They're cowards, they're liars, they're cultist dolts, and they're throwing young people under the bus just to save themselves.... They're basically a high-test mashup of all the qualities that I detest the most in human beings. 
2. And if you think about it, this isn't a place where you get the wrong impression of people, or just dislike them because they're doing a legitimate job that you don't like; for instance being an enforcer on a hockey team that plays against your favourite team, or being a cop that's preventing you from taking drugs into a concert. I dislike people because they show their true colours here, and their true colours are dishonesty and bigotry. 

Do you think that Radiorum tells people at his workplace that he's a terrorist supporter? Would he tell clients or customers that? No. But he says it here because there's he's free to say what he wants with no real-world consequences. There's a reason why the people that he supports wear masks when they're rioting, looting or killing. 

 

The reason why I hate Radiorum more than the people who know him IRL is that I know him better in some ways that really matter.

He could be the president of the puppy rescuing society for all I care, i still know who he truly is when he's not putting up a front, and I respect him accordingly.

[Legato]

An example of Mikes beloved Pew.....

 

https://x.com/i/status/2001896666493018623

[Legato]

On 12/18/2025 at 4:26 PM, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yes, yes, no, no.
2. No.
3. Yes, yes, no.
4. No.
5. No.
6. No.
 

 

[Nationalist]

On 12/18/2025 at 4:02 PM, Michael Hardner said:

1. That would be ... an institution.  Which you said you don't trust I thought.  It's a partisan non-profit advocacy group funded by Oil Companies Is this to do with Trade ?  It's about Emissions Caps and the impact on ... Canadian Oil Companies.

2. Yes... From the numbers in that article I get a number of %0.3 of our budget for processing asylum seekers.

3. Who is "we" kimosave ?  Based on my income taxes it works out to a little over $100 a year... I think it's money well spent.  We saved many Ukranians, Hungarians, Slavs, and Central Americans if you want to know.

4. I'll go for Door #2 on that one.  In fact, I think we're in a media ecosystem akin to the one that Gutenberg gave us with the printing press... before the 100 years wars happened.

5. Do I wonder ?  Maybe a bit but i don't waste too much time wondering about things I will never know the answer to.  Are you saying Israel and Russia are bribing Trump ?  I guess I wouldn't be THAT surprised.

1. You asked for a "basis" for my argument. Now you have one and it's as valid, if not more, than some government funded organization. 

2. First of all, I dont buy that .3% BS at all. It doesn't account for schooling costs, healthcare costs, the cost of lost jobs to Canadians, etc.

3. Hungarian and Slavs? I assume you mean Gypsies.

4. Not sure where you're going with this.

5. Bribing? No. Israel has bought much of the US congress. AIPAC and it's affiliates donate millions to get pro-Israel politicians elected. Russia is a very strange issue. I think they and the USA should be allies. So do many people. I also think NATO and the EU need to be dumped.

Edited December 20, 2025 by Nationalist

[West]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-jewish-community-hate-motivated-crimes-terrorism?utm_campaign=NP_social&utm_content=news

Now they are trying to abduct women in Canada.

[Venandi]

7 hours ago, West said:

Now they are trying to abduct women in Canada.

 

This hasn't gotten bad enough to scare the people who need to be scared though, they still have confidence in the ability of police and intelligence services to deal with it and they don't see it as likely to get worse. Because of that they will default to "see, it's working... we got the bad guys."

Trouble is, any complacency now is sure to catch up with us sooner rather than later....there's more of this coming and these successes should be seen as motivational rather than being viewed as confirmation of "all is working as it should."

There's a brief period of time here to stay ahead of the curve by committing more resources to countering these activities. Getting it right 100% of the time is the sort of thirsty work that puts a serious strain on resources and it comes at a time when resources are a premium commodity. Hard decisions need to be made now and not delayed to the point that even Herb agrees with the threat assessments.

In short, anyone favouring maintenance of the status quo is hugely more optimistic than I am and likely fall into the category of those who  think  gun control measures and banning flags (and such) will prove successful. I'm rooting for these folks but I think they have it wrong... we're beyond that now and I fear they will soon be calling for bans on such things as pressure cookers and fire crackers. 

Any complacency now will come a cost. We're collectively at another one of those junctures where a decision needs to be made... do you want to pay now, or do you want to pay later. 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2025 by Venandi

[CDN1]

 

^

Boomers dgaf. They got theirs and they won't be around to pay the bill of consequences for it.

Edited December 20, 2025 by CDN1

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

1. You asked for a "basis" for my argument. Now you have one and it's as valid, if not more, than some government funded organization. 

2. First of all, I dont buy that .3% BS at all. It doesn't account for schooling costs, healthcare costs, the cost of lost jobs to Canadians, etc.

3. Hungarian and Slavs? I assume you mean Gypsies.

4. Not sure where you're going with this.

5. Bribing? No. Israel has bought much of the US congress. AIPAC and it's affiliates donate millions to get pro-Israel politicians elected. Russia is a very strange issue. I think they and the USA should be allies. So do many people. I also think NATO and the EU need to be dumped.

I had to check back to see if you had joined the crowd of people who try to engage with me despite breaking my rule of being insulting  You haven't, so let's keep going.

1. Ok, but when I post with someone I try to understand their fundamentals, which for me means their principles more than their character or behaviour.  You stated yourself that you don't believe institutions, which to me means established organizations that have their own output into the world... on the state of affairs.  I took that to mean you were entirely independent in forming opinions, but I was wrong.  If you say it's as valid - I get that.  But "more valid" ?  They are trying to persuade people in order to shift things to their advantage.. which in this case is to help the oil industry.  Government... the worst you can say is that they want to retain power but that would even be more valid in that ultimately they have to keep the people at least somewhat happy.  In any case, it's a side-discussion... not what we are talking about.

2.  Cost of lost jobs isn't a straightforward idea.  You have to consider whether they are working, and if so where the job came from etc.  Even if the economics are grossly wrong, by 100% you have a cost of .6% which is so small as to be rounding error.

3. No.  Here's a little history for you.  In 1957 Hungarians tried to rise up and fight communism and Soviets did what they do and crushed it.  Canada accepted 37,500 refugees from Hungary. 
https://www.canada.ca/en/parks-canada/news/2019/05/press-backgrounder-the-refugees-of-the-hungarian-revolution-of-1956.html
I referred to "Slavs" as a short form for Yugoslavians who also came here in the 1990s.  A good friend of mine that I developed software came here as a baby because his mother was a software developer deemed as a good prospect for citizenship.

4.  You gave an either/or with choice #2 being that the human race is self-destructive.  I think eyeball would pick that choice over a wide conspiracy.  Keep in mind how easily government and its agencies, including military and intelligence, drop the ball.  To organize a massive conspiracy to take control of everything AND keep the lid on it would be beyond them... not even to mention that they already control everything and do quite well from the status quo.

5. Yes, fair enough.  I'll say "open bribing" then...

[Venandi]

4 hours ago, CDN1 said:

Boomers dgaf. They got theirs and they won't be around to pay the bill of consequences for it.

Maybe, but in order to fully accept that as causal I'd have to believe they "dgaf" about their kids... or grandchildren either.

BTW, I had to look up "dgaf." Clearly country mice don't get out enough eh?

I tend to think that they just didn't recognize the problem they created despite being repeatedly warned about it.

Either that or they're now too embarrassed to admit that they got it wrong and should have been more careful and less flippant toward those who advocated for caution. 

Regardless though, you're right... they own it.

 It was all them, and for good or ill, their kids know it too. And that's why the kids vote differently from the parents (I think)... they have more experience with failure and less of an appetite for more of it.

 

Edited December 20, 2025 by Venandi

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I had to check back to see if you had joined the crowd of people who try to engage with me despite breaking my rule of being insulting  You haven't, so let's keep going.

1. Ok, but when I post with someone I try to understand their fundamentals, which for me means their principles more than their character or behaviour.  You stated yourself that you don't believe institutions, which to me means established organizations that have their own output into the world... on the state of affairs.  I took that to mean you were entirely independent in forming opinions, but I was wrong.  If you say it's as valid - I get that.  But "more valid" ?  They are trying to persuade people in order to shift things to their advantage.. which in this case is to help the oil industry.  Government... the worst you can say is that they want to retain power but that would even be more valid in that ultimately they have to keep the people at least somewhat happy.  In any case, it's a side-discussion... not what we are talking about.

2.  Cost of lost jobs isn't a straightforward idea.  You have to consider whether they are working, and if so where the job came from etc.  Even if the economics are grossly wrong, by 100% you have a cost of .6% which is so small as to be rounding error.

3. No.  Here's a little history for you.  In 1957 Hungarians tried to rise up and fight communism and Soviets did what they do and crushed it.  Canada accepted 37,500 refugees from Hungary. 
https://www.canada.ca/en/parks-canada/news/2019/05/press-backgrounder-the-refugees-of-the-hungarian-revolution-of-1956.html
I referred to "Slavs" as a short form for Yugoslavians who also came here in the 1990s.  A good friend of mine that I developed software came here as a baby because his mother was a software developer deemed as a good prospect for citizenship.

4.  You gave an either/or with choice #2 being that the human race is self-destructive.  I think eyeball would pick that choice over a wide conspiracy.  Keep in mind how easily government and its agencies, including military and intelligence, drop the ball.  To organize a massive conspiracy to take control of everything AND keep the lid on it would be beyond them... not even to mention that they already control everything and do quite well from the status quo.

5. Yes, fair enough.  I'll say "open bribing" then...

1. What "basis" would satisfy you?

2. Canadian GDP is about 2.4 billion USD. O.6% of that is 14.4 million USD, if my calculates are correct. That's some interesting rounding error. A complete waste of resources. 

3. That was the late 60's.

4. Keep the lid on it? Seems rather obvious to me. Are you sure you're paying attention?

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, CDN1 said:

 

^

Boomers dgaf. They got theirs and they won't be around to pay the bill of consequences for it.

That's not necessarily true. I made sure my spawn are taken care of. Now we wait for grandchildren. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

1. What "basis" would satisfy you?

2. Canadian GDP is about 2.4 billion USD. O.6% of that is 14.4 million USD, if my calculates are correct. That's some interesting rounding error. A complete waste of resources. 

3. That was the late 60's.

4. Keep the lid on it? Seems rather obvious to me. Are you sure you're paying attention?

1. People who are a little more arm's length from those who pay them. Academics are probably the most objective, although they belong to groups that have serious cultural biases in some areas.  Paid lobby groups... It's fine that you listen to them, but they must pay the piper with their output.

2. No, it's 2.39 Trillion.  But I was taking the government budget which is less. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Canada

3.  You might be thinking of Czechoslovakia. Look at my link. It's the middle late '50s 

4. Yes.