Conservative Leadership Race

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

To simply point out you're incorrect to say there is no replacement for fossil fuels.

 

That's a stupid statement. I once bought a skateboard, therefore skateboards are a completely viable replacement for all ice engines 🙄🙄🙄🙄

To be a replacement for fossil fuels it needs to be a ubiquitous choice, not beneficial for a small handful of people

Nobody has a lot of faith in your educational document but even you should be able to puzzle out that in order to be a replacement it must be at least over 50% just to even be having that discussion and it's nowhere close to that

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

But we still have to deal with the aftermath, and all the same people who implemented and are continuing, his wackadoodle policies and drunken sailor spending

You do realize that we are having to deal with the aftermath of almost every prime minister?

The legislation and laws made by them are still in effect to day. Some OK , others not so OK.

That is what it is all about.

 

[Goddess]

29 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You do realize that we are having to deal with the aftermath of almost every prime minister?

The legislation and laws made by them are still in effect to day. Some OK , others not so OK.

That is what it is all about.

 

Well, when just 1 Prime Minister doubles the national debt since the country's existence and brings it to the brink of bankruptcy, institutes soft on crime laws that allow pedos and criminals to roam free, hands out free drugs on streetcorners and vending machines, has the most scandals in Canadian history, botches immigration to the point it exhausts housing, jobs and the economy and gives away $11 billion borrowed dollars for gender sensitive issues in OTHER countries, and then pays the media $1.5 billion to gaslight the public into thinking it's all just imaginary.......I think that's significant.

And not in any way normal.

 

[herbie]

Oh Jeez, let's make that a priority!

We can have a recession by tomorrow morning! Can't wait for one, can you?

[ExFlyer]

14 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Well, when just 1 Prime Minister doubles the national debt since the country's existence and brings it to the brink of bankruptcy, institutes soft on crime laws that allow pedos and criminals to roam free, hands out free drugs on streetcorners and vending machines, has the most scandals in Canadian history, botches immigration to the point it exhausts housing, jobs and the economy and gives away $11 billion borrowed dollars for gender sensitive issues in OTHER countries, and then pays the media $1.5 billion to gaslight the public into thinking it's all just imaginary.......I think that's significant.

And not in any way normal.

 

Just saying programs and legislation outlive the leaders of government.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

To simply point out you're incorrect to say there is no replacement for fossil fuels.

That is not a viable replacement for fossil fuels for many reasons.  The world is geared to using cars, trucks, ships, and planes that burn gas or oil.  People in Canada who think they can  force the rest of the world to buy EVs are deluded.  They are far more expensive and the rest of the world is not set up to even charge them.  Plus they have no desire to change to EVs.   Canada does not control the rest of the world. So what is the use of going on about it?

Edited November 13, 2025 by blackbird

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

People in Canada who think they can  force the rest of the world to buy EVs are deluded.

Canada does not control the rest of the world.

Control and force the rest of world...Canada?

Will you please get a grip, you're taking like a crazy person.

 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Just saying programs and legislation outlive the leaders of government.

Duh. 🙄

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You do realize that we are having to deal with the aftermath of almost every prime minister?

 

 

Not at all. Many left very positive legacies.

Mulroney left the GST which basically wiped out our deficit at the time. Gretchen for all his many faults permanently altered how are elections are funded and greatly enhanced democracy as a result. Even if he was just trying to honk off Paul Martin  Harper left behind a much more united Canada, much lower crime, stable economy and balanced books

Trudeau on the other hand, all we have is aftermath. A trash economy, trash global reputation, trashed trade relationships, high crime rate, etc etc. And carney doesn't seem interested in improving things much

Most of the other leaders don't leave an aftermath. So no you're wrong.

[cannuck]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

They don't want your uranium or your reactors, thanks. They prefer coal. It's cheaper.

China is not quite that simple.  Everything you see today was planned in detail decades ago.  Yes, they burn coal now - but guess what - EVERY major economy on this planet used coal to reach their current status.  China had to go with coal because they had the ability to transport it.  They are rapidly switching to gas now that their pipeline distribution systems are in place (believe it or not they were hard to get permits in most cases).  They are also hard at work on small modular reactors as that is how they see the future of energy.  You should be able to walk into a Walmart near you sometime soon and buy one.

They also have environmental concerns and rules and where it took the West centuries of polluting the crap out of their environment, China will get there not that far behind.  Since much of the "green" solar and wind crap is made in China, tree hugging is excellent business for them.  Just leaves the mess of unrecyclable blades and panels for us to pollute our environment even more.

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not at all. Many left very positive legacies.

Mulroney left the GST which basically wiped out our deficit at the time. Gretchen for all his many faults permanently altered how are elections are funded and greatly enhanced democracy as a result. Even if he was just trying to honk off Paul Martin  Harper left behind a much more united Canada, much lower crime, stable economy and balanced books

Trudeau on the other hand, all we have is aftermath. A trash economy, trash global reputation, trashed trade relationships, high crime rate, etc etc. And carney doesn't seem interested in improving things much

Most of the other leaders don't leave an aftermath. So no you're wrong.

And the Airbus scandal and the Schreiber kickback affair.

 

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

You do realize that we are having to deal with the aftermath of almost every prime minister?

The legislation and laws made by them are still in effect to day. Some OK , others not so OK.

That is what it is all about.

And so you have Carney, allegedly an economist, though he doesn't understand the law of supply and demand, going around the country grandly reaching down into the huge pile of backlogged projects that need government approval and granting half a dozen or so his royal favour while talking about how every single one is 'transformational'. When he should be ripping out all the torturously slow regulatory processes Trudeau put in place to block development. Why isn't he doing that? Because he's a Trudeau acolyte and is determined to carry on in his name. He's especially adopted the 'style over substance' government Trudeau pioneered. He'll make these grand announcements every little while or so to convince the low-information voter that he's kick-starting the economy, while actually doing nothing of the sort.

17 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Just saying programs and legislation outlive the leaders of government.

Most of the bad ones wouldn't have if Poilivre had been elected.

[ExFlyer]

26 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And so you have Carney, allegedly an economist, though he doesn't understand the law of supply and demand, going around the country grandly reaching down into the huge pile of backlogged projects that need government approval and granting half a dozen or so his royal favour while talking about how every single one is 'transformational'. When he should be ripping out all the torturously slow regulatory processes Trudeau put in place to block development. Why isn't he doing that? Because he's a Trudeau acolyte and is determined to carry on in his name. He's especially adopted the 'style over substance' government Trudeau pioneered. He'll make these grand announcements every little while or so to convince the low-information voter that he's kick-starting the economy, while actually doing nothing of the sort.

Most of the bad ones wouldn't have if Poilivre had been elected.

I think it is you that does not understand supply and demand LOL

Countries, including Canada have contracts and deals and they cannot just be cancelled. These contracts and deals need to be honoured and satisfied before changes and new contracts can be made. That is the supply and the demand.

What "huge pile of backlogged projects"???

PP Le Pew would not have been able to cancel contracts other countries have made, nor institute new contracts with Canada until existing deals were completed and satisfied.It takes tine for old deals to expire and new ones to come into effect.

 

Edited November 14, 2025 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

And the Airbus scandal and the Schreiber kickback affair.

 

Turned out Airbus was a nothing burger and the RCMP wound up being successfully sued over it. And the kickback affair was when he was out of office.

Chretien left genuine scandals behind of course, shawinigate and obviousoy the massive adscam series of scandals. Those were an order of magnitude worse admittedly,  But there was no 'aftermath' from any of those, it had been addressed. 

So no matter how you slice it you were still wrong. 

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I think it is you that does not understand supply and demand LOL

Countries, including Canada have contracts and deals and they cannot just be cancelled. These contracts and deals need to be honoured and satisfied before changes and new contracts can be made. That is the supply and the demand.

I was referring to his repeated statements that the housing crisis has nothing to do with immigration or foreign workers.

But there's no evidence any countries are going to change their purchases to Canada from somewhere else just because Carney went over for a chat. The last data we have, on the second quarter investments, shows something like $47 billion in investments departing Canada as both foreigners and Canadians choose to invest their money elsewhere.

This is not a country to make money in, unless you get appointed as the DEI house leader for a week and a half

 

[I am Groot]

Why Conservatives don't want to replace Poilievre with another soft, hand-wringing progressive conservative type.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/anthony-koch-how-conservatives-helped-the-left-ruin-the-west

Edited November 15, 2025 by I am Groot

[Barquentine]

On 11/13/2025 at 5:49 PM, blackbird said:

They are far more expensive

Actually the studies that consider all aspects of buying and operating a vehicle show that EVs are cheaper.

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I was referring to his repeated statements that the housing crisis has nothing to do with immigration or foreign workers.

But there's no evidence any countries are going to change their purchases to Canada from somewhere else just because Carney went over for a chat. The last data we have, on the second quarter investments, shows something like $47 billion in investments departing Canada as both foreigners and Canadians choose to invest their money elsewhere.

This is not a country to make money in, unless you get appointed as the DEI house leader for a week and a half

 

I am sorry but that was not evident in your supply and demand statement.

If housing is your supply and demand issue, well, there is a lot of supply and there is demand as those houses are selling. Just because there are high rices in the 3 largest cities in Canada does not mean the prices are out of reach elsewhere. https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/professionals/housing-markets-data-and-research/market-reports/housing-market/housing-supply-report

What is really important, is that there is no "right" to own a home.  "The average age for a first-time homebuyer with recent data placing it between the late 30s and early 40s,"  Nothing in the charter or any legislation or anywhere does it infer every Canadian is to buy and own a home.  

"2025 Survey: A more recent survey indicates that 43% of Canadians are currently renting their home. 

Growth Trend:

The number of renter households grew by 22% between 2011 and 2021, a faster rate than owner households, which grew by 8.4% in the same period. "

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2025 by ExFlyer

[I am Groot]

55 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I am sorry but that was not evident in your supply and demand statement.

If housing is your supply and demand issue, well, there is a lot of supply and there is demand as those houses are selling. Just because there are high rices in the 3 largest cities in Canada does not mean the prices are out of reach elsewhere. https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/professionals/housing-markets-data-and-research/market-reports/housing-market/housing-supply-report

Ottawa is not one of our 3 largest cities, and housing costs are out of control here too. As an example, I bought my current home, a new 2 br bungalow about 10 years ago for a $490k. It had $30k worth of extras thrown in atop the bare-bones buy price, so that would have been $470k. Today, a similar home by the same builder, 45 minutes outside the city, is selling for $865k bare bones. Ie, no finished basement, no granite countertops, no fences, rain gutters, central air, etc.

I recently bought a condo for a relative who will be paying me rent. They couldn't buy it themselves because they didn't have the credit to take out the loan and couldn't save the $70k down payment. It's the second time I've had to do that. Rentals for apartments in this city are very expensive, worse if you want something that isn't in a bad neighborhood. 

Now for society, that means young people putting off leaving home because they can't afford anything. And even when they do leave, they often have to have a roommate. And even then it's hard to afford. So they're basically putting off adulthood. Couples who have to pinch pennies to afford a small apartment are not going to have children anytime soon, and they're not going to be very happy about how things are working. Which means they'll be much more likely to listen to the far Left eat-the-rich types who promise more taxes, more government spending, more government regulations.

It's all a recipe for disaster. So why not reduce immigration and foreign workers for a while? Because business wouldn't like it? 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Actually the studies that consider all aspects of buying and operating a vehicle show that EVs are cheaper.

What you didn't mention is the cost of changing to an EV.  That would put millions of people into huge debt.

What about the hundreds of millions of people who already own a perfectly good gas/diesel vehicle?

If they were to sell them or trade them in and buy an EV, they would lose tens of thousands of dollars and owe 50 thousand dollars or more.   How is that cheaper?   The populations of the world cannot afford to do that.

Edited November 15, 2025 by blackbird

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Ottawa is not one of our 3 largest cities, and housing costs are out of control here too. As an example, I bought my current home, a new 2 br bungalow about 10 years ago for a $490k. It had $30k worth of extras thrown in atop the bare-bones buy price, so that would have been $470k. Today, a similar home by the same builder, 45 minutes outside the city, is selling for $865k bare bones. Ie, no finished basement, no granite countertops, no fences, rain gutters, central air, etc.

I recently bought a condo for a relative who will be paying me rent. They couldn't buy it themselves because they didn't have the credit to take out the loan and couldn't save the $70k down payment. It's the second time I've had to do that. Rentals for apartments in this city are very expensive, worse if you want something that isn't in a bad neighborhood. 

Now for society, that means young people putting off leaving home because they can't afford anything. And even when they do leave, they often have to have a roommate. And even then it's hard to afford. So they're basically putting off adulthood. Couples who have to pinch pennies to afford a small apartment are not going to have children anytime soon, and they're not going to be very happy about how things are working. Which means they'll be much more likely to listen to the far Left eat-the-rich types who promise more taxes, more government spending, more government regulations.

It's all a recipe for disaster. So why not reduce immigration and foreign workers for a while? Because business wouldn't like it? 

I am in Ottawa and prices have gone down and availability is up, as is construction.

"The Ottawa real estate market in late 2025 ischaracterized by a slight year-over-year price increase (average home price around $690,397), rising inventory levels that favor buyers, and a mix of market conditions for different property types. While the overall market is seeing more choice for buyers, the condo market is softer with lower prices, while the townhome market remains competitive. Detached homes are in a more balanced state, offering more opportunity for negotiation. "

Are you implying immigrants are buying all the houses?? If not for foreign workers, who would do those min wage jobs? (which is $17.80 per hour in Ontario)

As I said, and stand by it, there is nowhere where it is said everyone shall have or is entitled to a house.

[ExFlyer]

JOHN TARDS OPINION on Pierre Poilievre. We need to look at the real proven facts when it

comes to Pierres record.

Loss to liberals 2015

Loss to liberals 2019

Loss to liberals 2021

Loss to liberals 2025 ( Party Leader )

Loses his own riding in Carleton

Pierre was built to beat Trudeau. He was not built to beat Carney. Pierre would have trounced Trudeau and the liberals knew it. Enter Mark Carney who is most certainly not anything like Trudeau. All Pierres axe the tax and other slogans had the liberals ripe for the picking. Carney immediately brought a 25% increase in popularity the conservatives couldnt compete with. My opinion is Pierre had his shot and the liberals outplayed him. Pierre will not beat Carney and never will. In january the conservatives have their leadership convention where Pierre will stay or go as leader. I believe if he stays he is just selfish putting himself before the party. He will never beat Carney and if the conservatives want to entertain that they are foolish.

People keep sharing this “Carney was a failure at the Bank of England” nonsense, so let’s clear it up with actual facts, not cherry-picked opinion pieces.

Mark Carney took over the Bank of England in 2013 during one of the most volatile economic periods in modern UK history. He steered the UK through the aftermath of the global financial crisis and the economic shock of Brexit, two events he didn’t create but was tasked with managing. Under his leadership, interest rates changed only three times in seven years, hardly the “constant flip-flopping” critics claim.

And that 11.1% inflation number people love to blame on him? Completely false. UK inflation didn’t hit double digits until years after Carney left, driven by global energy spikes and post-pandemic supply shocks, not anything he did.

The “unreliable boyfriend” comment came from one politician and got turned into a tabloid nickname. Meanwhile, globally respected financial institutions praised Carney for stabilizing markets, strengthening financial regulations, and increasing transparency.

Yes, he was paid well, because he was the first choice of both Conservative and Labour leadership, and at the time was considered the top central banker on the planet. He also earned the Order of Canada and went on to lead UN climate finance initiatives. You don’t get those for being a “failure.”

So let’s stop pretending hot-take opinion columns are facts.

Mark Carney has the résumé, the record, and the respect of every serious economist in the world. The conspiracy crowd can yell, but the receipts don’t lie.

[I am Groot]

51 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Are you implying immigrants are buying all the houses?? If not for foreign workers, who would do those min wage jobs? (which is $17.80 per hour in Ontario)

As I said, and stand by it, there is nowhere where it is said everyone shall have or is entitled to a house.

Everyone who comes in needs a place to stay. Even if many are low-income. They crowd into whatever is cheapest, which pushes up the price of the cheapest rentals, which pushes up the prices of the next cheapest, and so on and so on. It leaves people in very expensive rentals, unable to save much for a down payment for a house. And, of course, housing prices also go up because of higher demand from those immigrants who CAN afford them, one way or another (multiple people buying one house). Even employers like Tim Hortons buying houses to then stuff a dozen low-income workers into (at high rents). 

I don't accept the argument that they do low-wage jobs that Canadians won't. Aside from agriculture and a few other areas like fish plants, that's simply not the case. Plus, Capitalism takes care of problems like that. If the wages are too low to attract workers, then employers have to increase the wages and/or make the job more attractive in other ways.

[ExFlyer]

14 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Everyone who comes in needs a place to stay. Even if many are low-income. They crowd into whatever is cheapest, which pushes up the price of the cheapest rentals, which pushes up the prices of the next cheapest, and so on and so on. It leaves people in very expensive rentals, unable to save much for a down payment for a house. And, of course, housing prices also go up because of higher demand from those immigrants who CAN afford them, one way or another (multiple people buying one house). Even employers like Tim Hortons buying houses to then stuff a dozen low-income workers into (at high rents). 

I don't accept the argument that they do low-wage jobs that Canadians won't. Aside from agriculture and a few other areas like fish plants, that's simply not the case. Plus, Capitalism takes care of problems like that. If the wages are too low to attract workers, then employers have to increase the wages and/or make the job more attractive in other ways.

My last post on this subject.

Yes, many immigrants live multi family rentals and houses (as they probably did from where they came from). I have to say, I also had numerous roommates when I first started out.

I can say that housing prices also go up because of higher demand from anyone who CAN afford them....and they do. Houses in my area of Ottawa are not for sale long...someone is buying them. 

You are contradictory when saying that immigrants and foreign workers are taking low income ($17.80 per hour) jobs by saying even Tim Hortons is buying houses to put their worker into them.... Is that just immigrant or all of their workers.  I have actually never heard of that...

As I have said and will say again, there is no guarantee or reason for anyone to own a house...that is a choice,.

 

 

[I am Groot]

The inspiration for this topic was the tremendous fuss kicked up by the media, mostly over a conservative whiner leaving the party to join the Liberals when he didn't get re-elected as deputy speaker. But we never see such frenzy when the Liberals lose members.

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