New poll shows majority of Canadians want NO new immigration.

[I am Groot]

You can’t assume an immigrant will harm your country simply because they come from a different culture. But if someone openly tells you the framework they live by, then you can judge the implications of that framework.

If a person says, “My worldview is Islamic,” and you know that worldview is built on a fear-based relationship with authority, a political theology that divides the world into believer and infidel, and a legal tradition that elevates the ummah above the nation-state, then you can safely infer how they will behave when placed inside a Western civic order. 

You’re not judging the person; you’re judging the architecture that shaped them. 

If the system is built on fear, coercion, collective identity, and supremacy, then people raised in it will carry those reflexes with them, unconsciously. 

The West doesn’t have the luxury of pretending frameworks don’t matter. Ideas shape behavior. Worldviews shape loyalty. And a fear-based Islamic framework produces predictable patterns that no country can afford to ignore.

Dan Burmawi

[I am Groot]

The Liberals said they would be lowering immigration to 380k next year. They're not. They added 115k to that. Which means just under 500k new permanent residents will arrive in Canada next year.

https://x.com/WiretapMediaCa/status/1996993959139111326?s=20

[I am Groot]

Refugees are now arriving and being allowed into the country with no ID and no security screening. They simply use a phone app to apply as a refugee claimant. They don't even need an interview. And thousands of them don't even complete the process. Once they're in, they don't complete their application. They just disappear into the country.

https://x.com/ShaunRickard67/status/1996994986626170970?s=20

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The Liberals said they would be lowering immigration to 380k next year. They're not. They added 115k to that. Which means just under 500k new permanent residents will arrive in Canada next year.

https://x.com/WiretapMediaCa/status/1996993959139111326?s=20

SHOCKED! Shocked i am!! 

 

[I am Groot]

Again, the government refuses to tell us anything about crime here divided by race or origin, but in other countries they do, and there is no real reason to think it's different here.

This is from Denmark.

MENAPT is a Danish statistical acronym for migrants from countries in the Middle East, North Africa, Pakistan, and Turkey.

 

Edited December 8, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

Meanwhile, we have the number of violent crimes committed in Canada shooting up for no reason the government chooses to explain.

 

[Goddess]

This is a good illustration of the futility of immigration at all, let alone mass immigration:

 

 

[blackbird]

28 minutes ago, Goddess said:

This is a good illustration of the futility of immigration at all, let alone mass immigration:

Part of the problem is where these people are coming from.  They don't assimilate with Canadians society.  How can they when their culture and beliefs are totally contrary to the way Canadians think?

.  Canadians are having abortions at around 100,000 per year.  There are also problems with our own European descendants not having children sufficiently.   I think the birthrate is actually lower than the minimum needed (2.1 per family) to sustain the Caucasian population.  We are a dying race.  Aboriginals and third world immigrants have a higher birth rate than our Caucasian peoples.  What will that look like for the future of Canada.  I can only imagine.   Who is going to pay for the health care system, the old age pensions, CPP, and other services Canadians have come to depend on for survival?  As the population ages, somebody has to replace it and pay for all the essential services.  Canada is also a country with a growing percentage of old people.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

As the population ages, somebody has to replace it and pay for all the essential services.  Canada is also a country with a growing percentage of old people.

Then we should make it affordable for Canadians to have children.

The #1 reason people give for not starting a family is affordability.

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Part of the problem is where these people are coming from.  They don't assimilate with Canadians society.  How can they when their culture and beliefs are totally contrary to the way Canadians think?

.  Canadians are having abortions at around 100,000 per year.  There are also problems with our own European descendants not having children sufficiently.   I think the birthrate is actually lower than the minimum needed (2.1 per family) to sustain the Caucasian population.  We are a dying race.  Aboriginals and third world immigrants have a higher birth rate than our Caucasian peoples.  What will that look like for the future of Canada.  I can only imagine.   Who is going to pay for the health care system, the old age pensions, CPP, and other services Canadians have come to depend on for survival?  As the population ages, somebody has to replace it and pay for all the essential services.  Canada is also a country with a growing percentage of old people.

Unskilled labourers working at Tim Hortons are not going to be paying for the healthcare system. They don't even earn enough to pay income tax.

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, Goddess said:

This is a good illustration of the futility of immigration at all, let alone mass immigration:

 

The people who need to see something like that are the virtuous white knights who see our immigration system as a kind of world charity to raise poor people up out of poverty and give them a better life here. But they're also the sort of self-satisfied people who won't bother themselves listening to or watching anything that contradicts their worldview.

[Moonlight Graham]

We're going to need immigration, especially young people, unless Canadians start having more babies.  Go have more babies.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 10/6/2025 at 7:37 PM, eyeball said:

Decades...with more to come. Get used to it.

Since the 60's progressives have undermined the family unit and the institution of marriage (divorce rates etc), and convinced women that careers are more important than having children or looking after them.

Now we have a society that isn't reproducing nearly enough to sustain itself, has an epidemic of poverty-trapped single parent households for those that do have kids, which sends their kids to daycare for strangers to raise them, sends mom and dad to the retirement home for strangers to look after them...

Seeing the results decades later, were the Christian conservatives who were against all of these things right or wrong?

What we have is a society that's become a lot more selfish and filled with people who care more about their hedonistic pleasures, material comforts, and "their rights", and less about things like duty, sacrifice, and family.

Our society, our culture is seriously ill.  Maybe even terminally ill.  We can blame conservatives for a bunch of things but not this.  We should have listened to them more...

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Since the 60's progressives have undermined the family unit and the institution of marriage (divorce rates etc), and convinced women that careers are more important than having children or looking after them.

Now we have a society that isn't reproducing nearly enough to sustain itself, has an epidemic of poverty-trapped single parent households for those that do have kids, which sends their kids to daycare for strangers to raise them, sends mom and dad to the retirement home for strangers to look after them...

Seeing the results decades later, were the Christian conservatives who were against all of these things right or wrong?

What we have is a society that's become a lot more selfish and filled with people who care more about their hedonistic pleasures, material comforts, and "their rights", and less about things like duty, sacrifice, and family.

Our society, our culture is seriously ill.  Maybe even terminally ill.  We can blame conservatives for a bunch of things but not this.  We should have listened to them more...

What's the role of other factors, like capitalism though?

And I doubt women had to be "convinced" to have the rights to choose such things.

I do feel that family life is a more difficult path now, being IN it and all but portraying the wandering of the Zeitgeist as a scheme doesn't fit.

The deeper narrative is that religion is quickly dying, but hasn't been replaced by anything more meaningful than consumerism.  We don't have a common purpose, I reckon.

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We're going to need immigration, especially young people, unless Canadians start having more babies.  Go have more babies.

This argument does not work. It has been rejected since the day it first arose back in the 1980s. Not by goobers like me but by demographics experts, statisticians, and economists. It. Will. Not. Work.

 

In more than twenty years of studies on this claim, nothing has substantiated it.

In a 2003 paper titled Effect of Immigration on the Canadian Population: Replacement Migration?, Canadian sociologist and demographer Roderic Beaujot finds: “It is impossible to use immigration to prevent an increase in the population aged 65 and over as a ratio to the population aged 20-64”.

In a 2006 report by the C.D. Howe Institute aptly titled No Elixir of Youth: Immigration Cannot Keep Canada Young, we read that “no conceivable amount of immigration with an age profile such as Canada currently experiences can significantly affect the coming shift in the ratio of older to working-age Canadians”.

In a 2025 report for the Migration Policy Institute titled Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Demography: A Canadian Case Study, Professor Daniel Hiebert runs a number of different high-immigration and low-immigration scenarios, and concludes that “even under the highest of these immigration rates, the old-age dependency ratio would still rise”. The only way to counter the fact that immigrants “age and eventually retire along with their native-born peers” would be “continuously increasing the scale of immigration on an indefinite basis” – an obviously absurd policy.

There is no data to support the contention that Canada can use an open-door immigration policy to offset our own ageing population. This does not even address a fact that our immigration lobbyists find most inconvenient: an ageing society actually has many benefits.

https://dominionreview.ca/debunking-four-classic-arguments-for-mass-immigration/

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Since the 60's progressives have undermined the family unit and the institution of marriage (divorce rates etc), and convinced women that careers are more important than having children or looking after them.

Ah yes, the fabulous, fabled 'career'. So satisfying. So attractive to people. An easy substitute for children and family!

Why, there's nothing like working as a retail store clerk to give meaning to your life! Or perhaps a life of thrills and victories as a secretary or administrative clerk! There are also cleaners, of course, and personal support workers. A lot of teachers and daycare workers, too - taking care of other people's children! 

Yes, there are female doctors and lawyers and accountants, and architects. But like most men, most women don't have careers. They have jobs. Jobs they aren't particularly thrilled with but have to go to in order to pay the bills.

The largest percentage of women wind up in jobs taking care of people. Which would seem to indicate that women like that sort of thing rather more than men. Which, in turn, suggests women are hard-wired to be mothers, in instinct not just body.

The problem is our society has de-emphasized that for decades, made it sound like nothing but a chore and an irritation, something that makes life more difficult and more expensive. Yes, economics plays a role. And there are things we can do about that. But if you don't think that culture and what it's telling women has an enormous impact, just look at how many younger people have taken to calling themselves trans or bi or queer or non-binary or intersex or...whatever sounds like it's cool. The whole trans fad is itself an indication of how easily culture can be morphed to embrace pure lunacy.

And if you want another, look how quickly a good propaganda campaign turned a whole bunch of 'tolerant' lefties into rabid antisemites.

So we should embrace sanity and start trying to make being a mother cool again. Yes, I know some roll their eyes at that, but changing our culture to put motherhood on top can be done and would have an impact, especially in tandem with economic/taxation changes.

Edited December 9, 2025 by I am Groot

[Goddess]

50 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

changing our culture to put motherhood on top can be done and would have an impact, especially in tandem with economic/taxation changes.

Hungary has done this.  Have a certain number of children and you're exempt from income taxes for life.

I think it's fairly recent, so not sure if the effects, good or bad, have had enough time to develop.

But since affordability is the #1 reason given for not having a family, it seems like a good program.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Hungary has done this.  Have a certain number of children and you're exempt from income taxes for life.

I think it's fairly recent, so not sure if the effects, good or bad, have had enough time to develop.

But since affordability is the #1 reason given for not having a family, it seems like a good program.

Here, I just quickly found this:

Hungary gives full income tax exemptions to moms with two or more kids—what if the U.S. did the same?

Hungary’s tax exemption isn’t just about economics; it’s about acknowledging the value of motherhood. It’s about recognizing that raising children is work—and that work contributes to a nation’s future. By easing the tax burden, Hungary is offering moms what so many say they need most: breathing room.

 

Breathing room that could mean covering the cost of daycare without sacrificing retirement savings. The ability to buy a reliable family car or build an emergency fund without stress. It could mean finally feeling like there’s enough—enough to provide, enough to plan, enough to exhale.

Mothers who work will be eligible for this benefit no matter their income level, age, or how old their children are. It’s not a short-term measure, either—the exemption remains in place for as long as a mother is raising her children. Prime Minister Orbán also noted that the family tax allowance—ranging from 10,000 HUF (about $26) to 165,000 HUF (roughly $430) monthly, depending on how many children are in the home—is available to fathers, too.

Of course, Hungary’s approach isn’t perfect. But it’s still a rare example of a government putting money where its values are when it comes to families.

[Goddess]

Interesting to note that Hungary has rejected the globalist EU demands for mass immigration.

Their crime stats reflect that, as well.

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Since the 60's progressives have undermined the family unit and the institution of marriage (divorce rates etc), and convinced women that careers are more important than having children or looking after them.

Now we have a society that isn't reproducing nearly enough to sustain itself, has an epidemic of poverty-trapped single parent households for those that do have kids, which sends their kids to daycare for strangers to raise them, sends mom and dad to the retirement home for strangers to look after them...

Seeing the results decades later, were the Christian conservatives who were against all of these things right or wrong?

What we have is a society that's become a lot more selfish and filled with people who care more about their hedonistic pleasures, material comforts, and "their rights", and less about things like duty, sacrifice, and family.

Our society, our culture is seriously ill.  Maybe even terminally ill.  We can blame conservatives for a bunch of things but not this.  We should have listened to them more...

Canada's population has doubled and nearly tripled around the planet since the 60's.

What am I missing here? If we'd listened to you guys we'd be like.

 

[Shady]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

What's the role of other factors, like capitalism though?

Capitalism existed in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, when the birthrate was much higher.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Capitalism existed in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, when the birthrate was much higher.

It'll never be high enough for you people it seems. You figure quantity trumps quality?

[Legato]

Just now, eyeball said:

It'll never be high enough for you people it seems. You figure quantity trumps quality?

Ask the Vietnamese.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

Ask the Vietnamese.

Why?

[Legato]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Why?

Quantity