New poll shows majority of Canadians want NO new immigration.

[I am Groot]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Careful what you wish for.

You're ignoring an important ethical issue here with ramifications that could cause even more people trying to get here.

High-grading and skimming other populations for their best and brightest robs those societies of the very sort of people it takes to uplift them. Without this these societies become even less desirable places for people to stay.

Hence...more economic refugees trying to come here.

That hasn't stopped us from trying to grab up all their doctors and nurses...

[I am Groot]

40 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Immigration is a ponzi scheme?  I'll assume these same two economists are either using some sort of twisted economic equations, looking for notoriety, or are just incompetent.  

Yes, the CD Howe Institute is known for its economic incompetence...

40 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

We're an aging population that is exiting the workforce in larger numbers and we're having less child births than is what considered the median replacement fertility rate. 

The problem is our present retirement system and economy is based on endless growth. If we keep needing to grow as our population ages then we need to bring over larger and larger numbers of immigrants every year to make it work.

Or as they explain: In order to maintain the current dependency ratio, Canada would have to vastly increase immigration and by 2050 would be taking in 7 million immigrants per year and our population would be 65 million.

[Army Guy]

12 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No need to explain what's going on, I get it.  The solution though isn't to shrink our population and by extension, our economy. The solution is to get at the root issues of the problems we have with housing, healthcare, infrastructure, etc and improve them....which is why Carney was elected.  Like it or not Immigration is needed to sustain our economy. The levels set I'm sure will be debated but it's not stopping.  

Nobody is talking about stopping, but it does need to be paused or drastically reduced until things can improve, my math is bad but is we are only build 250,000 homes a year across the nation and we have over 1.5 million new people coming in each year, how do you make that work...you can't numbers will have to shrink drastically well under 250 k until we can square things....Like or it not until we are building triple of what we are now today, increasing immigration of all types  is a losing proposition...Immigration is not the only solution....Canadians having more kids here in Canada is the Answer....

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

If there's a solution what's the issue?

You keep saying there is not enough workers....and yet our universities are pumping out thousands of people with degrees in what  liberal arts, fine arts, and some social sciences, such as Dance, Music, Theatre, Philosophy, Anthropology, and Sociology anthropology, history, sociology, English literature, and ethnic/gender studies often face competitive job markets with fewer direct career paths are to many to mention....that really have no value today or there are to many candidates for few jobs...Start there....Get the welfare queens enrolled in the trades school....where class time is mixed with on the job experience...it does not take a brain surgeon to put up studded walls or siding etc etc...how long does it take to be a red seal carpenter, electrician, plumber....it took the liberals 10 plus years of doing nothing to wreck our home supply...it is going to take at least that to fix it... 

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

That hasn't stopped us from trying to grab up all their doctors and nurses...

Like I said it's a profound albeit underappreciated ethical issue. With lasting consequences. We've been victims of it ourselves.

Recall how the US aerospace industry snapped up Canadian engineers back when we shut down the Avro Arrow and started the process of hollowing out our military industrial capacity.

Look at us now shopping for advanced fighters from countries a fraction of our size.

 

[paxamericana]

Excellent thread Canucks, you're all discovering the price of not having enough children. Yes it was a short sighted decision in your youth. We Americans did have enough Children and is the youngest of the advanced economy. Welcome to the brave new world!

[LinkSoul60]

37 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Yes, the CD Howe Institute is known for its economic incompetence...

The problem is our present retirement system and economy is based on endless growth. If we keep needing to grow as our population ages then we need to bring over larger and larger numbers of immigrants every year to make it work.

Or as they explain: In order to maintain the current dependency ratio, Canada would have to vastly increase immigration and by 2050 would be taking in 7 million immigrants per year and our population would be 65 million.

It's two opinions that are contrary to the obvious reality of how our country was built or the opinions of those involved...provinces and business. I don't disagree that the number of immigrants we accept has to be looked at. I've said that.  

Not sure I'm following you on the current retirement system being a problem...?  Again, I'm no economist or social scientist but would have to think they consider retirement ages, along with how long we're living, what professions or positions in given sectors are scarce in talent or labour, etc...   Not sure about ~44% growth over the next 25 years...

[eyeball]

59 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

You keep saying there is not enough workers....

I'm really just trying to remind you about the arguments economists make.

The same mainstream economists you people usually subscribe to are the ones telling you growing our economy without growing our population is impossible.

I don't believe it myself and like I've said I'd like to keep our population from growing simply because anymore is environmentally unsustainable.

No one can have an decent functional economy without a decent functional environment.

Edited October 3, 2025 by eyeball

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Nobody is talking about stopping, but it does need to be paused or drastically reduced until things can improve, my math is bad but is we are only build 250,000 homes a year across the nation and we have over 1.5 million new people coming in each year, how do you make that work...you can't numbers will have to shrink drastically well under 250 k until we can square things....Like or it not until we are building triple of what we are now today, increasing immigration of all types  is a losing proposition...Immigration is not the only solution....Canadians having more kids here in Canada is the Answer....

Okay my bad...  we agree we need immigration, just less of it right now. I agree with that if the provinces (teachers, healthcare) and business (agriculture, retail, transportation, etc, etc,) does.  

The solution is to grow our economy so that those unemployed younger workers have more opportunity. That's why Carney was elected.

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Okay my bad...  we agree we need immigration, just less of it right now. I agree with that if the provinces (teachers, healthcare) and business (agriculture, retail, transportation, etc, etc,) does.  

The solution is to grow our economy so that those unemployed younger workers have more opportunity. That's why Carney was elected.

It isn't just that we need less of it - much less - it's that we need different kinds of it. We do NOT need barely literate goat herders from Syria and Afghanistan filled with the zeal of Allah and the determination to make all lands the same as the shitholes they came from. We need intelligent, technologically skilled, flexibility-minded Western-oriented people.

[LinkSoul60]

32 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It isn't just that we need less of it - much less - it's that we need different kinds of it. We do NOT need barely literate goat herders from Syria and Afghanistan filled with the zeal of Allah and the determination to make all lands the same as the shitholes they came from. We need intelligent, technologically skilled, flexibility-minded Western-oriented people.

The labour needs of individual provinces and business in those economies will dictate how many immigrants are accepted.  You or I have no idea because we typically look at our own little worlds.  Those immigrants leave those 'shitholes' for a better life here in Canada and elsewhere. Not every one is a 'goat herder' with many bringing needed skills to our workforce.  

[Barquentine]

On 10/1/2025 at 11:14 PM, Army Guy said:

why not entice these people into the trades schools with some incentives...I know it is a wild idea...to wild for the left...

Not too wild for anyone. We have incentives - apprentices in particular get grants and tax incentives.

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The labour needs of individual provinces and business in those economies will dictate how many immigrants are accepted.  You or I have no idea because we typically look at our own little worlds.  Those immigrants leave those 'shitholes' for a better life here in Canada and elsewhere. Not every one is a 'goat herder' with many bringing needed skills to our workforce.  

And many not. I posted a chart not long ago that showed the only incoming group that makes income above the Canadian average is the principal applicant under the economic category. Here it is again.

 

Edited October 3, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

Did someone say we had a labour shortage?

 

 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Did someone say we had a labour shortage?

 

 

I feel like our labor shortage is manufactured. Businesses become dependent on things like the temporary foreign worker program and they don't look at how to attract young people locally and they don't look at how to invest in technology that will reduce the number of employees they need. Canada's productivity is horrible because these companies feel no need to improve their competitiveness. Why bother with cheap labor abounds

If they are forced to then they will adapt. Some may go out of business, new ones may start, but at the end of the day it's not like we don't have enough people to fill the jobs if you're being smart about it

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Did someone say we had a labour shortage?

 

 

We have a slowing economy, not a big revelation.  What's your point?

 

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

We have a slowing economy, not a big revelation.  What's your point?

 

Did he talk too fast for you?

We don't have a labour shortage. Why do we need programs to fill in a labour shortage that doesn't exist. 

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I feel like our labor shortage is manufactured. Businesses become dependent on things like the temporary foreign worker program and they don't look at how to attract young people locally and they don't look at how to invest in technology that will reduce the number of employees they need. Canada's productivity is horrible because these companies feel no need to improve their competitiveness. Why bother with cheap labor abounds

“But when businesses complain about having difficulty finding enough workers, what this really means is that they cannot easily find the workers they want at a wage they want to pay,” Wright says.

“But, within reasonable limits, this is a good thing. It forces employers to pay higher wages, provides better working conditions and drives the creative destruction that leads to higher productivity, more valuable products and better business models.”

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-has-abandoned-middle-class-says-b-c-s-former-top-civil-servant

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

“But when businesses complain about having difficulty finding enough workers, what this really means is that they cannot easily find the workers they want at a wage they want to pay,” Wright says.

“But, within reasonable limits, this is a good thing. It forces employers to pay higher wages, provides better working conditions and drives the creative destruction that leads to higher productivity, more valuable products and better business models.”

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-has-abandoned-middle-class-says-b-c-s-former-top-civil-servant

Bright lad, that Wright  

[Army Guy]

On 10/3/2025 at 11:03 AM, Barquentine said:

Not too wild for anyone. We have incentives - apprentices in particular get grants and tax incentives.

Apparently we need to do more, right now we are critically short on trades of all types ,let alone to meet the increasing infra structure needs we have now...Some ideas that were floated around inn the recent past were offering Free education to medical people doctors nurses, anything medical... for every year of education you had you were required to serve a year of employment of the governments choosing...you could really do this with any trade, any where in the country...

[Army Guy]

On 10/3/2025 at 12:32 AM, LinkSoul60 said:

Okay my bad...  we agree we need immigration, just less of it right now. I agree with that if the provinces (teachers, healthcare) and business (agriculture, retail, transportation, etc, etc,) does.  

The solution is to grow our economy so that those unemployed younger workers have more opportunity. That's why Carney was elected.

Health care and teachers are screaming about being over burdened, class sizes way to large, resources shortages, on the medical side many are suffering from burn out , fatigue, mental health problems....and no real solutions in the near future...it is not always about wages....although that is part of it..

Personally i think our younger generation, can't be bothered with menial jobs like fast food , etc...hence why larger unemployment numbers, i mean I've yet to see one fast food joint with out a heal wanted sign in the front door...and this is NB where god paying jobs are scarce....maybe mom and dad are making to much and they don't have to work, not sure why their age group just are not working..

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Health care and teachers are screaming about being over burdened, class sizes way to large, resources shortages, on the medical side many are suffering from burn out , fatigue, mental health problems....and no real solutions in the near future...it is not always about wages....although that is part of it..

Personally i think our younger generation, can't be bothered with menial jobs like fast food , etc...hence why larger unemployment numbers, i mean I've yet to see one fast food joint with out a heal wanted sign in the front door...and this is NB where god paying jobs are scarce....maybe mom and dad are making to much and they don't have to work, not sure why their age group just are not working..

You successfully pointed out why we need immigration.  

Those menial paying jobs are generally meant as the stepping stone for the younger generation as they continue schooling or are simply gaining skills.  If a person aspires to do as little as possible they'll inevitably be paid as little as possible....which we see a lot of today.  If a person aspires to be something and works hard at, they most likely reap the financial benefits of that hard work down the road. 

Edited October 5, 2025 by LinkSoul60

[taxme]

On 9/30/2025 at 4:50 PM, I am Groot said:

 

A Leger and Leger poll found a strong majority of Canadians say Canada doesn't need new immigrants. Furthermore, they don't want more multiculturalism. They want immigrants to assimilate. In fact, they're more strongly in favour of immigrants assimilating than Americans are! So many NAZIS for herbie to rant at now!

A majority of Canadians feel that the country does not need new immigrants and people are divided over whether newcomers should have to give up their customs, according to a new national poll.

The survey, conducted by Leger for the Association for Canadian Studies found that 60 per cent of respondents disagreed that “Canada needs new immigrants,” with the highest levels of opposition found in Alberta (65 per cent), Ontario (63 per cent) and Quebec (61 per cent), followed by Manitoba and Saskatchewan (60 per cent), the Atlantic provinces (56 per cent) and British Columbia (48 per cent).

 

https://nationalpost.com/news/majority-of-canadians-continue-to-oppose-new-immigration-poll?itm_source=index

But will the lieberals listen? NOPE. They just want to keep bringing them in by the hundreds of thousands every year. When we see pictures of hundreds of Muslims taking over a street in downtown Toronto to say their Allah prayers, that is when one should know by now that we are slowly losing old Canada and it is now being replaced by foreigners who want nothing to do with assimilation, and who have the nerve to take over a street in Canada and block traffic and the police do nothing about it. Actually, the police are told to stand down by our lieberal Marxist politicians who really do despise Canada. I call them politically woke traitors.

I wonder what would happen if some Christian church decided to takeover a street in Toronto one day and start saying prayers? We all should know by now that will never happen because soon as they start to say prayers in the street our traitorous Marxist politicians would have the police to start removing them. And of course those same traitors would call those Christians a bunch of radical racists for doing so.

If old whitey does not start to smarten up very soon to try and save our Canadian way of life and culture and traditions, and force those new immigrants to assimilate into Canadian culture, it could be the end of old whitey as a majority in Canada. And i would not want to see that day come. It is starting to get pretty bad looking for old whitey now. Sure, call me a racist, see if i care, lefty. 🤣

[taxme]

On 9/30/2025 at 6:16 PM, CdnFox said:

Yeah i saw that. Somehow the liberals managed to make even immigration look bad to canadians   

Some interesting things to note - even most immigrants aren't big on immigration. I think it was 51 percent of immigrants said we needed more, which is within the margin. 

This is going to be a bit of an issue for carney who still plans to bring in a LOT of immigrants, even if it's less than justin did. 

But our economy has become entirely dependent on immigration at the moment and without it it will be quite obvious that we're in a recession in short order.  I don't' know the gov'ts going to want to do that. 

This'll be an issue for Carney

Carnage the destroyer of Canada could care less about Canada or Canadians. Everything that he is doing in Canada today is to try and destroy and bankrupt the old British/European Canada that we all once knew. When i see a bunch of Muslims being allowed to takeover and pray to Allah on a street in Toronto, and being allowed to block traffic, and the police do nothing about it, that should be enough to tell us all that something is wrong here.

When a foreign people and their culture and religion, like Islam, can immigrate to Canada and get away with this kind of stuff, it is a sign of a country on the verge of collapsing as a country. This is what multiculturalism/diversity is all about and is doing to Canada. Committing genocide against the host people. The host people better wake up soon before it is too late. It is our lieberal Marxist betrayal politicians that is doing this to Canada and Canadians. They appear to despise and hate their own country. Shocking indeed. 😒

[taxme]

On 9/30/2025 at 9:05 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

Yep, lots of people are beaten up about immigration right now but like the guy in the article said, we need immigration to support our aging population and sustain our economy. Timing isn't good for those newcomers and a lot of other people but we need them.

Canada is bringing in way too many old people who will soon be taking advantage of all of our social services. Less old people being allowed to enter Canada will mean less pressure on our social and medical services and the economy and infrastructures. The lieberals are bringing in hundreds of millions of new unwanted refugees and immigrants that the economy cannot afford. It is immigration that is the problem, stupid. 

This lieberal bullshit that Canada needs more new immigrants is a lieberal lie and people like you eat that lie up. We do not need to bring in hundreds of millions of new immigrants to sustain our economy. We need to do what other European countries like Poland and Hungary and Russia are doing. Encouraging their own people to have more babies with the help of the governments of those countries.

Those three countries have pretty much closed the door to illegal refugees and they do not have very much crime going on at all in those three countries, crimes that are being massively committed by many of the illegals that have been allowed to enter other countries in Europe like Paris, London, Netherlands and Sweden whom are having big time problems with the hundreds of thousands of illegal refugees that were allowed to enter into those countries. 

Indeed, it is prefect timing for refugees and new immigrants alright, and Canadians are paying big bucks for this continued massive immigration foolishness. Canada needs to apply a moratorium on all immigration to help in trying to get our Canadian house in order. It is just common sense and logic which Canada and many Canadians seems to lack big time. 👎