New poll shows majority of Canadians want NO new immigration.

[LinkSoul60]

14 minutes ago, taxme said:

Canada is bringing in way too many old people who will soon be taking advantage of all of our social services. Less old people being allowed to enter Canada will mean less pressure on our social and medical services and the economy and infrastructures. The lieberals are bringing in hundreds of millions of new unwanted refugees and immigrants that the economy cannot afford. It is immigration that is the problem, stupid. 

This lieberal bullshit that Canada needs more new immigrants is a lieberal lie and people like you eat that lie up. We do not need to bring in hundreds of millions of new immigrants to sustain our economy. We need to do what other European countries like Poland and Hungary and Russia are doing. Encouraging their own people to have more babies with the help of the governments of those countries.

Those three countries have pretty much closed the door to illegal refugees and they do not have very much crime going on at all in those three countries, crimes that are being massively committed by many of the illegals that have been allowed to enter other countries in Europe like Paris, London, Netherlands and Sweden whom are having big time problems with the hundreds of thousands of illegal refugees that were allowed to enter into those countries. 

Indeed, it is prefect timing for refugees and new immigrants alright, and Canadians are paying big bucks for this continued massive immigration foolishness. Canada needs to apply a moratorium on all immigration to help in trying to get our Canadian house in order. It is just common sense and logic which Canada and many Canadians seems to lack big time. 👎

I'd gladly trade you for a 6 pack of new immigrants. 

Canada looks at immigration numbers every year in consultation with provinces and business. Less people in our economy means more pressure on our social programs with the lesser taxation. Canada needs to allow as many immigrants as the data results say.  Whether you agree or not is irrelevant because it needs to happen.

[I am Groot]

34 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'd gladly trade you for a 6 pack of new immigrants. 

Canada looks at immigration numbers every year in consultation with provinces and business. 

It's so charmingly naive to run into someone who thinks our immigration system has any purpose related to our economy other than to mask its collapse. The only 'consultations' that go on are between the Liberals and their supporters in various ethnic voting blocs about how many new immigrants from THEIR group the Liberals will bring in if they can wrangle X number of votes at election time.

To be clear, none of the decisions taken about who and how many to bring in are related to the economy. 

Our immigration system stopped having anything to do with our economic well-being decades ago. It only serves the political interests of the party in power now.

[I am Groot]

Massive forgery and fraud use of Canadian visas by immigrant smuggling gangs. 

The number of human smuggling cases opened by the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) is set to hit a record high over the previous five years. CBSA data shows it opened 70 cases linked to human smuggling as of mid-August, an average of nearly 10 a month compared to only 2.5 a month in 2021. That’s a 280 per cent increase.

Asylum claims surged by 523 per cent between January and July this year at a border crossing south of Montreal — the same area where online smuggling advertisers told IJB reporters they could safely transport clients south across the border.

Inside the sprawling human smuggling network operating online | National Post

[LinkSoul60]

29 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It's so charmingly naive to run into someone who thinks our immigration system has any purpose related to our economy other than to mask its collapse. The only 'consultations' that go on are between the Liberals and their supporters in various ethnic voting blocs about how many new immigrants from THEIR group the Liberals will bring in if they can wrangle X number of votes at election time.

To be clear, none of the decisions taken about who and how many to bring in are related to the economy. 

Our immigration system stopped having anything to do with our economic well-being decades ago. It only serves the political interests of the party in power now.

It's pure ignorance to think that immigration doesn't help drive our economy and keep it sustainable.  

Most of us are too young to remember, but we did have a conservative government once upon a time.  Even back in the old days of Stephen Harper that government was allowing 236K in his first year and gradually increasing to 271K by 2015.  

It's not a liberal or conservative thing....it's necessary thing to sustain our population and economy.  End of story....

[I am Groot]

46 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's pure ignorance to think that immigration doesn't help drive our economy and keep it sustainable.  

Coming from the guy who said, "I don't pay any attention to economists. I know what my gut tells me."

46 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Most of us are too young to remember, but we did have a conservative government once upon a time.  Even back in the old days of Stephen Harper that government was allowing 236K in his first year and gradually increasing to 271K by 2015.  

Harper didn't touch immigration because he didn't want to risk the instant howls of 'racism' he would have gotten if he lowered it. BTW, Trudeau took office in 2015. The last year of Harper's immigration was the 2014-2015 and there were 240k. So virtually the same. No big raise.

46 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's not a liberal or conservative thing....it's necessary thing to sustain our population and economy.  End of story....

Suuuuure it is. Because your gut tells you so.

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Coming from the guy who said, "I don't pay any attention to economists. I know what my gut tells me."

Harper didn't touch immigration because he didn't want to risk the instant howls of 'racism' he would have gotten if he lowered it. BTW, Trudeau took office in 2015. The last year of Harper's immigration was the 2014-2015 and there were 240k. So virtually the same. No big raise.

Suuuuure it is. Because your gut tells you so.

Read Groot, read....  Take your racist hat off first.

[I am Groot]

25 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Read Groot, read....  Take your racist hat off first.

LOL When you're reduced to throwing out half-baked pejoratives that make no sense, you've lost any semblance of credibility. 

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

LOL When you're reduced to throwing out half-baked pejoratives that make no sense, you've lost any semblance of credibility. 

I gave you the facts, repeatedly.  If you choose to ignore and go on comments of two 'economists' only, so be it....

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I gave you the facts, repeatedly.  If you choose to ignore and go on comments of two 'economists' only, so be it....

You gave me your feelings. The world doesn't operate on feelings. We had the greatest influx of people ever and what did that do for our economy? The greatest fall in GDP per capita since the great depression. Do you understand that increasing our GDP is utterly meaningless if GDP per capita falls?

 

Edited October 5, 2025 by I am Groot

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

You gave me your feelings. The world doesn't operate on feelings. We had the greatest influx of people ever and what did that do for our economy? The greatest fall in GDP per capita since the great depression. Do you understand that increasing our GDP is utterly meaningless if GDP per capita falls?

 

I gave you facts which are not at all difficult to find... you just choose not to look at them.  

We've had stagnant productivity and weak business investment. The higher number of immigration levels has impacted the GDP but end of day, immigration is not stopping and will continue to be level set to the needs of provinces and business.  

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You gave me your feelings. The world doesn't operate on feelings. We had the greatest influx of people ever and what did that do for our economy? The greatest fall in GDP per capita since the great depression. Do you understand that increasing our GDP is utterly meaningless if GDP per capita falls?

 

This is one of the problems.

A small amount of Highly targeted immigration can in fact impact our economy positively to a degree if done right, but the kind of immigration we've been doing actually harms our economy while making it APPEAR that it's doing better in the short term.  Which is what the libs prey on. 

The problem, as you identify, is the gdp per capita ratio.  That's basically a measure of how much 'wealth' is created 'per canadian'.  It's an indicator of how much wages people can get paid and how much income per person businesses and such are driving. 

IF it's low, that means the gov't is going to get less tax money per person, even though it may get more tax money overall.  But each person still costs the same in gov't services, and medicine and policing and sewer and water and education etc etc. 

So we have considerably less money per person to spend if the gdp per capita is going down or staying below inflation. 

Meanwhile the gov't will point to the gdp itself and note it's going up so the economy must be doing better!  But that's not the case. 

GDP per capita and Debt to GDP  are what's known as economic "anchors", the indicators that the gov'ts budget and planning should be always striving to keep balanced or lowering. Remember when Justin said the debt to gdp wouldn't go up? (investments in our economy would produce higher gdp so it would balance out? Much like Carney is promising now?) 

So when the anchors are cut loose it's really bad .And this is what the parliamentary budget officer was talking about. 

Right now debt to gdp and gdp per capita are going in the wrong direction. We need to make sure whatever immigration we have involves people who can earn strong income almost immediately and in smaller numbers compared to the resources we're building (homes, hospitals, schools etc)

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You successfully pointed out why we need immigration.  

Those menial paying jobs are generally meant as the stepping stone for the younger generation as they continue schooling or are simply gaining skills.  If a person aspires to do as little as possible they'll inevitably be paid as little as possible....which we see a lot of today.  If a person aspires to be something and works hard at, they most likely reap the financial benefits of that hard work down the road. 

Because Canadians don't want those jobs or to lazy to get a job ....that's why we need immigration ?...Sorry that's not an excuse , I see more and more retirees returning to work because they can't afford things like food, rent etc i get that but, being to lazy who is paying those bills........and if the young don't fill in the gaps then these menial jobs will start to disappear...Here in NB there are a couple of industries that keep people employed, Poggie and welfare....and in some cases it is generational, in other cases like some fishermen whom make a good living they collect poggie to wait out the winter...there should be a time period for how long you can collect welfare, and a a maximum wage that if you earn over your can't collect period...

And i'm sure if we cut all these useless degrees young kids are getting today and instead concentrated on degrees that can actually produce jobs, in sectors that are hiring....you could get even more into the work force...in places we need them....degrees in art, music, gender studies....get you what exactly...

 

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Because Canadians don't want those jobs or to lazy to get a job ....that's why we need immigration ?...Sorry that's not an excuse , I see more and more retirees returning to work because they can't afford things like food, rent etc i get that but, being to lazy who is paying those bills........and if the young don't fill in the gaps then these menial jobs will start to disappear...Here in NB there are a couple of industries that keep people employed, Poggie and welfare....and in some cases it is generational, in other cases like some fishermen whom make a good living they collect poggie to wait out the winter...there should be a time period for how long you can collect welfare, and a a maximum wage that if you earn over your can't collect period...

And i'm sure if we cut all these useless degrees young kids are getting today and instead concentrated on degrees that can actually produce jobs, in sectors that are hiring....you could get even more into the work force...in places we need them....degrees in art, music, gender studies....get you what exactly...

 

Well in addition to that if we invested in technology that promotes efficiency and productivity we'd need fewer of those menial jobs and could afford to pay kids more for their work. But it's cheaper to use 'temp foreign workers'

 

[LinkSoul60]

12 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Because Canadians don't want those jobs or to lazy to get a job ....that's why we need immigration ?...Sorry that's not an excuse , I see more and more retirees returning to work because they can't afford things like food, rent etc i get that but, being to lazy who is paying those bills........and if the young don't fill in the gaps then these menial jobs will start to disappear...Here in NB there are a couple of industries that keep people employed, Poggie and welfare....and in some cases it is generational, in other cases like some fishermen whom make a good living they collect poggie to wait out the winter...there should be a time period for how long you can collect welfare, and a a maximum wage that if you earn over your can't collect period...

And i'm sure if we cut all these useless degrees young kids are getting today and instead concentrated on degrees that can actually produce jobs, in sectors that are hiring....you could get even more into the work force...in places we need them....degrees in art, music, gender studies....get you what exactly...

 

No, it's because Canadian's are getting older and retiring from the workforce. We're having less kids and we're dying as we get older. Labour and people need to be replaced so that's why we need immigration. A wonderful part of the world but you have seasonal industries on the East Coast....fishing or tourism. I'm not convinced though that the guys collecting poggie are going to working at Tim Hortons or making up the rooms at the 4 Points. I don't know enough about how many people on welfare and what the conditions of it are though... 

You can use your wisdom learned to discuss with them but you can't tell a kid what they want to be, that's their choice. I'm not sure what kids are gravitating to these days but I'm sure many/most are looking to some sort of technology field, business related, trade related fields. Remember that what's hiring today may not be hiring tomorrow, and vice versa. I don't know a lot about those fields but thinking that an arts degree can you on a career path to be an artist, art teacher, graphic designer.  Music degree might be an able to get you on a cheer path to be a musician or working in recording industry or the film and television industries.  Doesn't matter, if a kid believes their skillset is more suited for whatever it may be and they want to make a 'career' of it let them do it. Worst thing that could happen is they realize that really wasn't what they wanted to do.  

[eyeball]

On 10/3/2025 at 9:58 PM, CdnFox said:

Why do we need programs to fill in a labour shortage that doesn't exist. 

Because the shortage doesn't exist everywhere. 

It's a big country, you can't expect everyone to just move where the work is. Some sure but not everyone.

[Shady]

Just now, eyeball said:

Because the shortage doesn't exist everywhere. 

It's a big country, you can't expect everyone to just move where the work is. Some sure but not everyone.

Actually, moving where the work is, is exactly what you expect.  That’s how things should work.  That’s how things used to work.

[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Because the shortage doesn't exist everywhere. 

 

But the program exists everywhere. So that doesn't make any sense right off the bat

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It's a big country, you can't expect everyone to just move where the work is. Some sure but not everyone.

There are plenty of ways to deal with this. My family is from small town Manitoba, I was back there every summer and despite the fact that they lived in two small towns all the jobs got filled. And that tended to be the case everywhere. Sure, some places it's more challenging than others but you deal with it. 

And if there's some place specific for a time then allow THEM, but nobody else. I mean... it's a big country right?   No need for one size fits all solutions. 

The fact is we existed for well over 100 years and we were always able to address this and we can address it now. Businesses get lazy because there's a cheap and easy way out but when you eliminate that they grow stronger

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But the program exists everywhere. So that doesn't make any sense right off the bat

So what explains the abundance of help wanted signs where I live?

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No need for one size fits all solutions. 

Except yours it seems.

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, Shady said:

Actually, moving where the work is, is exactly what you expect.  That’s how things should work.  That’s how things used to work.

Hence the impetus for immigration.

[cougar]

On 9/30/2025 at 9:05 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

Yep, lots of people are beaten up about immigration right now but like the guy in the article said, we need immigration to support our aging population and sustain our economy. 

Yes, the country is a PONZI SCHEME !     Without new players joining the scheme will collapse on itself.

Which it inevitably will , sooner rather than later.

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So what explains the abundance of help wanted signs where I live?

 

We first off NOBODY is going to want to live where you live so that's always going to be a problem, 

Second off we already have the program so that doesn't seem to be the issue where you live.  Perhaps the employer is a douche? Offering rock bottom wages and expects people to work to death? When was the last time they invested in tech to improve efficiency? They're probably still doing inventory with paper pads and pencils. 

Or perhaps they're just too stupid to remember to take the signs down when they're not needed anymore  

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Except yours it seems.

Mine?  I said cancel the national program and consider allowing it in those specific areas where it's absolutely necessary. How is that one size fits all?

Sigh. maybe we should worry less about employment in your area and focus on educational issues.

[Shady]

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hence the impetus for immigration.

It’s about immigration levels not immigration in general.  It’s also about which occupations should be allowed in.  Doctors, engineers, etc.  

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, cougar said:

Yes, the country is a PONZI SCHEME !     Without new players joining the scheme will collapse on itself.

Which it inevitably will , sooner rather than later.

The economy is the ponzie scheme. Received wisdom says no growth means death and the end of the economy. It's only a matter of time now.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Shady said:

It’s about immigration levels not immigration in general.  It’s also about which occupations should be allowed in.  Doctors, engineers, etc.  

Which as pointed out only robs other countries of the key people they need and without which will cause those places to become less livable. Increasing the desire to migrate away from them is ultimately a self defeating exercise.

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Which as pointed out only robs other countries of the key people they need and without which will cause those places to become less livable. Increasing the desire to migrate away from them is ultimately a self defeating exercise.

I’m fine with limiting everyone right now.