Trump orders the DoD to commit MURDER in defiance of US and International Laws.

[Army Guy]

41 minutes ago, blackbird said:

How do you know?  Were they tried and found guilty?

How could it be acceptable to just go out and kill eleven men on a boat somewhere on the ocean?

This doesn't sound good at all.   

Do you think JTF needs to have a court find them the terrorist guilty before killing them ?...all mission like this need authorization from the chain of command, in this case the president authorized it...

 

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

We Know (with a capital K) exactly what they were doing. This boat was not accidentally struck. These people were bad people whose actions have killed Americans. They are terrorists and state actors that are killing our people and we did what was necessary to make America safer. No apologies. 

So you believe there is no need for a justice system to deal with criminals.  The government will be the judge and jury and decide who is guilty and punish them themselves.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Do you think JTF needs to have a court find them the terrorist guilty before killing them ?...all mission like this need authorization from the chain of command, in this case the president authorized it...

 

 

So you don't believe in a justice system to deal with criminals. 

This is not a war situation.  A "chain of command" is a military process.

In this case it is using the military to execute domestic suspects.  I thought the main principle in a justice system was that everyone is innocent unless proven guilty and a requirement for the accused to go through the justice system.

Edited September 5, 2025 by blackbird

[User]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Every time you arrest a drug dealer for murdering other drug dealers who are you defending?

And yet again, you defend the drug cartels.

[Legato]

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So you don't believe in a justice system to deal with criminals. 

This is not a war situation.  A "chain of command" is a military process.

In this case it is using the military to execute domestic suspects.  I thought the main principle in a justice system was that everyone is innocent unless proven guilty and a requirement for the accused to go through the justice system.

Here you are exercising the Dillon-Wagoner principle. Do you ever read anyone's posts or are you blinded by your own inadequacies.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

This is a military operation on a declared terrorist organization it has nothing to do with justice but rather national security....Your president authorized it he does not need any permissions from any courts or judges, I would have thought  being a American you would have known that...This happens around the world every day, just does not receive the attention this incident did.

The order was ILLEGAL according to many experts. You are NOT an expert on US law.

And thanks to the destruction of the boat, there is NO EVIDENCE they were drug smugglers and NOT immigrants.

Why  were there (supposedly) 11 crew members when it takes at most 2-3 to crew that boat?

That is evidence that they were immigrant smugglers.

Cite the US LAW which says labeling a group of individuals "terrorists" makes their assassination LEGAL.

[User]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

The order was ILLEGAL according to many experts. You are NOT an expert on US law.

And thanks to the destruction of the boat, there is NO EVIDENCE they were drug smugglers and NOT immigrants.

Why  were there (supposedly) 11 crew members when it takes at most 2-3 to crew that boat?

That is evidence that they were immigrant smugglers.

Cite the US LAW which says labeling a group of individuals "terrorists" makes their assassination LEGAL.

You are literally just making crap up. 

[Aristides]

10 hours ago, User said:

And now the leftists are defending Drug Cartels...

 

So now we just kill people because we think they are drug dealers. I realize drug smuggling is a big problem but this is really pushing it. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So now we just kill people because we think they are drug dealers. I realize drug smuggling is a big problem but this is really pushing it. 

This is your make-believe position. That boat was not fired upon because someone merely thought they were drug dealers. 

 

[BeaverFever]

29 minutes ago, User said:

And yet again, you defend the drug cartels.

You  didn’t answer the question you only repeated your absurd claim. 

[BeaverFever]

Let’s also just come back to reality and remember that authorities catch and seize drug boats like this an much larger all the time. Theres am annual campaign called Operation Caribe where Canadian and US navies intercept and board boats like this and much larger ones nonstop. Never has anyone has anyone had to just sneak up on one and blow it our of water 

[blackbird]

42 minutes ago, Legato said:

Here you are exercising the Dillon-Wagoner principle. Do you ever read anyone's posts or are you blinded by your own inadequacies.

Never heard of the Dillon-Wagoner principle.  Sounds like something you just made up.  A country cannot make up it's own rules and impose them on the rest of the world unless it thinks it rules the world.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Do you think JTF needs to have a court find them the terrorist guilty before killing them ?...all mission like this need authorization from the chain of command, in this case the president authorized it...

 

 

Forget international law.

Edited September 5, 2025 by blackbird

[User]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You  didn’t answer the question you only repeated your absurd claim. 

An observation of fact. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, User said:

You are literally just making crap up. 

Far from it; I cited sources. It is  YOU who has BUPKIS with which to refute MY SOURCES.

3 hours ago, User said:

And yet again, you defend the drug cartels.

No, I am defending the RULE OF LAW, something of which YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

[robosmith]

@Army Guy

Are US strikes on alleged cartel members legal?

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Experts have also questioned whether the killing of the alleged members of the Tren de Aragua cartel could contravene international law on the use of force.

Under Article 2(4) of the UN charter, countries can resort to force when under attack and deploying their military in self-defence. Trump has previously accused the Tren de Aragua cartel of conducting irregular warfare against the US, and the state department has designated the group as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation.

But Prof Michael Becker of Trinity College Dublin told BBC Verify that the US actions "stretches the meaning of the term beyond its breaking point".

"The fact that US officials describe the individuals killed by the US strike as narco-terrorists does not transform them into lawful military targets," he said. "The US is not engaged in an armed conflict with Venezuela or the Tren de Aragua criminal organization."

"Not only does the strike appear to have violated the prohibition on the use of force, it also runs afoul of the right to life under international human rights law."

Prof Moffett said that the use of force in this case could amount to an "extrajudicial arbitrary killing" and "a fundamental violation of human rights".

"Labelling everyone a terrorist does not make them a lawful target and enables states to side-step international law," he said.

 

 

[Nationalist]

So...the Libbies are upset that they can't try the terrorists in they're kangaroo courts, give them cashless bail and let them go.

[Aristides]

10 hours ago, User said:

This is your make-believe position. That boat was not fired upon because someone merely thought they were drug dealers. 

 

Based on what, your wish to believe it? Suspecting someone isn’t justification for killing rhem even if you are right.

Edited September 5, 2025 by Aristides

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Based on what, your wish to believe it? Suspecting someone isn’t justification for killing rhem even if you are right.

Now justice means something to you? What about when the DOJ was making stuff up about DJT? I didn't see any outrage from you about the Russia Collusion Hoax. 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

Now justice means something to you? What about when the DOJ was making stuff up about DJT? I didn't see any outrage from you about the Russia Collusion Hoax. 

That's because these weasels have no principals. 

[Aristides]

10 hours ago, User said:

This is your make-believe position. That boat was not fired upon because someone merely thought they were drug dealers. 

 

Really? So now the US can sink boats in international waters just on its own say so.

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Really? So now the US can sink boats in international waters just on its own say so.

If the boat is full of lethal drugs and drug smugglers...

Yes.

[User]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Based on what, your wish to believe it? Suspecting someone isn’t justification for killing rhem even if you are right.

This is a different argument. Like you love to do, you just keep moving those goal posts...

 

48 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Really? So now the US can sink boats in international waters just on its own say so.

When they have been declared to be a part of a terrorist organization that is a threat to America, yes. 

 

[CouchPotato]

Trinidad and Tobago leader praises strike and says US should kill all drug traffickers ‘violently’

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Port of Spain, Trinidad AP  — 

Trinidad and Tobago’s prime minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar, has praised a US strike on a boat suspected of carrying drugs in the southern Caribbean and said that all traffickers should be killed “violently.”

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“I, along with most of the country, am happy that the US naval deployment is having success in their mission,” Persad-Bissessar said in a statement late Tuesday. “The pain and suffering the cartels have inflicted on our nation is immense. I have no sympathy for traffickers; the US military should kill them all violently.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/03/americas/trinidad-tobago-caribbean-us-venezuela-strike-intl-latam

[Legato]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

Never heard of the Dillon-Wagoner principle.  Sounds like something you just made up.  A country cannot make up it's own rules and impose them on the rest of the world unless it thinks it rules the world.

The Dillon-Wagoner Graviton Polarity Generator, or spindizzy, is a fictional anti-gravity device from James Blish's Cities in Flight series. It works by using principles from P.M.S. Blackett's research into the relationship between rotation, magnetism, and gravity, allowing entire cities to fly and travel faster than light by creating an artificial gravitational field. The device was "almost immediately dubbed the 'spindizzy' in honor of what it did to electron rotation," 

The reference to spin.