Trump orders the DoD to commit MURDER in defiance of US and International Laws.

[robosmith]

Trump orders the DoD to commit MURDER in defiance of US and International Laws

In ANOTHER DESPERATE BID to distract from the IMPENDING RELEASE of the EPSTEIN FILES, Trump has ordered the DoD to kill 11 men in a high powered boat off the coast of Venezuela while "claiming" they were drug smugglers headed for the US. However they were 1000 miles from the US and likely headed for Trinidad according to actual authoritative commentators. 

Normally such boats would be disabled and the crew captured for interrogation to find out things like sources and chain of command.

But that would not serve Trump's interest of DISTRACTING from the Epstein Files RELEASE.

Trump Directs Military to Target Foreign Drug Cartels

The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com › 2025/08/08 › us › trump-m...

 

Aug 8, 2025 — But directing the military to crack down on the illicit trade also raises legal issues, including whether it would count as “murder” if U.S. ...

 

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The military strike has triggered a debate over its legality and potential violations of U.S. and international law. 

• Extrajudicial killing: The Economist has raised questions about whether the strike, which killed criminal suspects without a trial, constitutes extrajudicial killing.
• Rules of engagement: Experts have questioned whether it is legally appropriate for the military to act against criminal suspects who may not pose an imminent threat, especially in the absence of a congressionally authorized armed conflict.
• Unclear legal basis: It remains unclear what legal analysis was conducted by White House, Pentagon, and State Department lawyers regarding the legality of killing criminal suspects in this manner.
• Traditional law enforcement vs. military action: Critics note that the standard procedure for handling drug smuggling at sea involves interception and arrest by law enforcement agencies like the Coast Guard or Drug Enforcement Administration, rather than a military kinetic strike.
• Legal precedent and future implications: The Economist warned that labeling drug gangs as "terrorists" has "real-world consequences" and that the precedent of killing criminal suspects at sea could set a dangerous standard. 

Protections against unlawful orders

Under U.S. law, the military is prohibited from carrying out illegal orders.

• Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ): Murder is a crime under the UCMJ, and service members are obligated to refuse an order to commit murder or assassination.
• Executive Order 12333: This order, in force since 1981, explicitly prohibits any U.S. government employee or agent from engaging in or conspiring to engage in assassination.

Edited September 4, 2025 by robosmith

[Deluge]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

Trump orders the DoD to commit MURDER in defiance of US and International Laws

In ANOTHER DESPERATE BID to distract from the IMPENDING RELEASE of the EPSTEIN FILES, Trump has ordered the DoD to kill 11 men in a high powered boat off the coast of Venezuela while "claiming" they were drug smugglers headed for the US. However they were 1000 miles from the US and likely headed for Trinidad according to actual authoritative commentators. 

Normally such boats would be disabled and the crew captured for interrogation to find out things like sources and chain of command.

But that would not serve Trump's interest of DISTRACTING from the Epstein Files RELEASE.

Trump Directs Military to Target Foreign Drug Cartels

The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com › 2025/08/08 › us › trump-m...

 

Aug 8, 2025 — But directing the military to crack down on the illicit trade also raises legal issues, including whether it would count as “murder” if U.S. ...

 

JUSTICE, not murder, you wokejob. 

The DoD did everyone a favor. Everyone but the crime loving democrats, of course.  

[User]

And now the leftists are defending Drug Cartels...

 

[herbie]

This is not 'distraction', it's merely an extension of the brainwashing that the USA is King Shit and it has the right do anything anywhere, that American laws and ideals exist anywhere on Earth.

You watch TV shows showing supposed 'law enforcement' running around other countries armed and gunning people down with impunity. Even belittling Australia now as spineless simps that merely tag along.
- I watch them too as they're entertaining. And half of that is seeing what you see and believe without question.

Murdered 11 people on the High Seas. Does any International Treaty allow any country to do that?

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

This is not 'distraction', it's merely an extension of the brainwashing that the USA is King Shit and it has the right do anything anywhere, that American laws and ideals exist anywhere on Earth.

You watch TV shows showing supposed 'law enforcement' running around other countries armed and gunning people down with impunity. Even belittling Australia now as spineless simps that merely tag along.
- I watch them too as they're entertaining. And half of that is seeing what you see and believe without question.

Murdered 11 people on the High Seas. Does any International Treaty allow any country to do that?

It is an ATTEMPT at distraction, but it's not working like it used too because the news reporters are wise to it and report it as such.

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

JUSTICE, not murder, you wokejob. 

The DoD did everyone a favor. Everyone but the crime loving democrats, of course.  

JUSTICE requires DUE PROCESS, lDIOT.

[herbie]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

JUSTICE, not murder, you wokejob

So sink that 100,000 ton container vessel and gun down the survivors in the water! They were carrying illegal KinderEggs. JUSTICE!... durrp

[Deluge]

18 minutes ago, robosmith said:

JUSTICE requires DUE PROCESS, lDIOT.

LOWER justice and due process is 100% fail, dipshit. Team Trump is ignoring your banana courts and taking matters into his own hands.  

[gatomontes99]

So @robosmith is now defending drug smugglers. Trump really gets these idìots to take the 10% of 90/10 issues.

[Deluge]

30 minutes ago, herbie said:

So sink that 100,000 ton container vessel and gun down the survivors in the water! They were carrying illegal KinderEggs. JUSTICE!... durrp

There's no more f*cking around, comrade: your dear friends, the criminal terrorists, are going down.  

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/designating-cartels-and-other-organizations-as-foreign-terrorist-organizations-and-specially-designated-global-terrorists/

[robosmith]

39 minutes ago, Deluge said:

LOWER justice and due process is 100% fail, dipshit. Team Trump is ignoring your banana courts and taking matters into his own hands.  

^JUST like a "good" MAGA CULT defender of der leader. LMAO

The Constitution makes NO ROOM for YOUR SPECULATION about "banana courts."

32 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

So @robosmith is now defending drug smugglers. Trump really gets these idìots to take the 10% of 90/10 issues.

INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY is the AMERICAN WAY, NOT your ASSumptions.

[gatomontes99]

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^JUST like a "good" MAGA CULT defender of der leader. LMAO

The Constitution makes NO ROOM for YOUR SPECULATION about "banana courts."

INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY is the AMERICAN WAY, NOT your ASSumptions.

Oh, they were guilty and in international waters so they were fair game. Smuggled narcotics kill 100k+ people every year. And these guys were working for Venezuela, so they were committing an act of war by invading our borders to deliver products designed to kill Americans. 

[Deluge]

58 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^JUST like a "good" MAGA CULT defender of der leader. LMAO

There's only one cult in this country, and it's the democrat party. Yes, the same cult that embraces crime and addiction.  

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY is the AMERICAN WAY, NOT your ASSumptions.

Translation: ALWAYS INNOCENT unless its straight white conservatives. 

Go burn a flag, you f*cking degenerate. 

[BeaverFever]

If killing criminals and drug dealers isn’t murder then why are so many gang members in jail for doing exactly that to their peers?

The fact is no level of government has authority to go around summarily executing unarmed criminals simply because they are breaking the law, especially outside their own borders. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Oh, they were guilty

Guilt can only be established in a court of law

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

in international waters so they were fair game.

Im not sure what you’re trying to suggest here being in international waters doesn’t make it “fair game”

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

And these guys were working for Venezuela,

There is no proof of that 

 

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

so they were committing an act of war

No, smuggling is not an act of war

 

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

by invading our borders to deliver products designed to kill Americans. 

They were NOWHERE NEAR US waters, they were off the Venezuelan coast and their tiny open air motorboat couldn’t possibly have reached US waters. 

 

Furthermore, saying cocaine is “designed to kill Americans” is a bit of a stretch both on the “designed to kill” and the “designed for Americans” part. 
 

 

5 hours ago, User said:

And now the leftists are defending Drug Cartels...

 

Every time you arrest a drug dealer for murdering other drug dealers who are you defending?

[gatomontes99]

29 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

There is no proof of that 

Yes there is.

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Hugo Carvajal — a close aide of the country's late President Hugo Chavez — on Wednesday pleaded guilty to four criminal counts, including narcoterrorism conspiracy, conspiracy to import cocaine and weapons charges.

https://www.dw.com/en/us-ex-venezuelan-general-pleads-guilty-to-drug-trafficking/a-73043327

 

And then this:

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Maduro played a hands-on role in Venezuela’s drug cartel, unsealed indictment says

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article289927469.html#storylink=cpy

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article289927469.html

 

 

[herbie]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

There's no more f*cking around, comrade: your dear friends, the criminal terrorists, are going down.  

Yeehaw let's git 'em boys! String 'em up! Don't need no fancy ass Judge, show 'em real justice.

Got some real troglodytes on this forum.

[Deluge]

24 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yeehaw let's git 'em boys! String 'em up! Don't need no fancy ass Judge, show 'em real justice.

Got some real troglodytes on this forum.

From the "good ol' days" of Biden's totalitarian regime:

 

[Deluge]

29 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yeehaw let's git 'em boys! String 'em up! Don't need no fancy ass Judge, show 'em real justice.

Got some real troglodytes on this forum.

herpes finds law and order oppressive and racist. 

[BeaverFever]

57 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yes there is.

And then this:

 

 

There is no proof that they’re sending cocaine to USA for the purpose of killing Americans. Cocaine is not even very deadly compared to alternatives. 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Oh, they were guilty and in international waters so they were fair game.

How do you know?  Were they tried and found guilty?

How could it be acceptable to just go out and kill eleven men on a boat somewhere on the ocean?

This doesn't sound good at all.   

Edited September 4, 2025 by blackbird

[gatomontes99]

20 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

There is no proof that they’re sending cocaine to USA for the purpose of killing Americans. Cocaine is not even very deadly compared to alternatives. 

 

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

How do you know?  Were they tried and found guilty?

How could it be acceptable to just go out and kill eleven men on a boat somewhere on the ocean?

This doesn't sound good at all.   

Our intelligence services knew the names of every man in that boat and the purpose of their trip. Maduro and his intelligence officer have been indicted on drug smuggling charges in the US. And, yet, here you are...once again...defending the bad guys. 

We Know (with a capital K) exactly what they were doing. This boat was not accidentally struck. These people were bad people whose actions have killed Americans. They are terrorists and state actors that are killing our people and we did what was necessary to make America safer. No apologies. 

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

If killing criminals and drug dealers isn’t murder then why are so many gang members in jail for doing exactly that to their peers?

The fact is no level of government has authority to go around summarily executing unarmed criminals simply because they are breaking the law, especially outside their own borders. 

They the drug cartels have been designated as a terrorist organization by the US government, you don't need a judge for authority to kill terrorist, The US president authorized this mission...He has the power to authorize any and all military operations...As does Carney

Yes , all governments do,  we did it in Afghanistan all the time,  

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

It is an ATTEMPT at distraction, but it's not working like it used too because the news reporters are wise to it and report it as such.

JUSTICE requires DUE PROCESS, lDIOT.

This is a military operation on a declared terrorist organization it has nothing to do with justice but rather national security....Your president authorized it he does not need any permissions from any courts or judges, I would have thought  being a American you would have known that...This happens around the world every day, just does not receive the attention this incident did.

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

This is not 'distraction', it's merely an extension of the brainwashing that the USA is King Shit and it has the right do anything anywhere, that American laws and ideals exist anywhere on Earth.

You watch TV shows showing supposed 'law enforcement' running around other countries armed and gunning people down with impunity. Even belittling Australia now as spineless simps that merely tag along.
- I watch them too as they're entertaining. And half of that is seeing what you see and believe without question.

Murdered 11 people on the High Seas. Does any International Treaty allow any country to do that?

11 terrorist are now dead, and your screaming about inter national treaties and laws...The war on terror is going on 15 years now, militaries from around the globe kill terrorist every day, what do you think JTF does....just because you don't hear about these operations does not mean they don't happen....do some research or something before chirping about treaties and the law...