Trump orders the DoD to commit MURDER in defiance of US and International Laws.

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

If killing criminals and drug dealers isn’t murder then why are so many gang members in jail for doing exactly that to their peers?

The fact is no level of government has authority to go around summarily executing unarmed criminals simply because they are breaking the law, especially outside their own borders. 

When judicial systems are broken, crime gets out of control, and swift, harsh responses is the only thing left to do.

Stop facilitating crime and help restore order, democrats/leftoids, or it'll only get worse. 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, User said:

This is a different argument. Like you love to do, you just keep moving those goal posts...

 

When they have been declared to be a part of a terrorist organization that is a threat to America, yes. 

 

So all it takes to justify killing someone is declare them a terrorist. I'm not the one moving goalposts. The US can do what it wants on its own soil but these are international waters. What will be designated next? I guess when people talk about slippery slopes, the only thing that really matters to them is which way the slope is tilted.

[Deluge]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So all it takes to justify killing someone is declare them a terrorist. I'm not the one moving goalposts. The US can do what it wants on its own soil but these are international waters. What will be designated next? I guess when people talk about slippery slopes, the only thing that really matters to them is which way the slope is tilted.

That's a good question, comrade. I guess it could be answered with another question: How far are you woke a$$holes willing to push boundaries? 

[User]

37 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So all it takes to justify killing someone is declare them a terrorist. I'm not the one moving goalposts. The US can do what it wants on its own soil but these are international waters. What will be designated next? I guess when people talk about slippery slopes, the only thing that really matters to them is which way the slope is tilted.

In the context of the United States Constitution and the Legal authority given to the President, yes. 

And yes, you are the one moving the goal posts. You first asserted that all it took was someone merely thinking they were drug cartel completely ignoring the military intelligence process that took place here to identify, target, and execute a strike like this. 

It is just silly absurd nonsense. 

Where have you been for the last 20 years now in the war on terror? The United States has military stationed all over the world blowing people up for the last 20 years. 

 

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Far from it; I cited sources. It is  YOU who has BUPKIS with which to refute MY SOURCES.

You have zero sources other than pure 100% BS speculation trying to say the boat was not Drug Smugglers because it had so many people on board. 

 

[Aristides]

41 minutes ago, User said:

In the context of the United States Constitution and the Legal authority given to the President, yes. 

And yes, you are the one moving the goal posts. You first asserted that all it took was someone merely thinking they were drug cartel completely ignoring the military intelligence process that took place here to identify, target, and execute a strike like this. 

It is just silly absurd nonsense. 

Where have you been for the last 20 years now in the war on terror? The United States has military stationed all over the world blowing people up for the last 20 years. 

 

You have zero sources other than pure 100% BS speculation trying to say the boat was not Drug Smugglers because it had so many people on board. 

 

Your constitution is only valid in the US, it doesn’t entitle you to commit extrajudicial killings elsewhere.

You have been blowing up people and if I remember you were very critical of the number of drone strikes carried out under Obama.

[User]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Your constitution is only valid in the US, it doesn’t entitle you to commit extrajudicial killings elsewhere.

You have been blowing up people and if I remember you were very critical of the number of drone strikes carried out under Obama.

Please cite whatever legal framework you are operating from to make your argument regarding "extrajudicial kilings" in international waters. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So...the Libbies are upset that they can't try the terrorists in they're kangaroo courts, give them cashless bail and let them go.

YOU ARE LYING, AGAIN. You know NOTHING about US Law, dropout.

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, User said:

This is your make-believe position. That boat was not fired upon because someone merely thought they were drug dealers. 

 

^This is your make-believe position, for which you HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

Any actual evidence they were transporting drugs now rests at the bottom of the ocean, which is WHY they blew up the boat instead of interdicting it.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Now justice means something to you? What about when the DOJ was making stuff up about DJT? I didn't see any outrage from you about the Russia Collusion Hoax. 

YOUR DENIAL of the EVIDENCE of Trump campaign Russian collusion from the Senate Intel Committee Report chaired by now SoS Marco Rubio DOES NOT MAKE IT GO AWAY.

That just makes you a MAGA FOOL clinging to Trump's LIES.

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

^This is your make-believe position, for which you HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

Any actual evidence they were transporting drugs now rests at the bottom of the ocean, which is WHY they blew up the boat instead of interdicting it.

No, that was me criticizing your make-believe position for which you HAVE NO EVIDENCE. 

I mean, I guess we could just go with your conspiracy that the entire US military is a liar. 

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

YOUR DENIAL of the EVIDENCE of Trump campaign Russian collusion from the Senate Intel Committee Report chaired by now SoS Marco Rubio DOES NOT MAKE IT GO AWAY.

That just makes you a MAGA FOOL clinging to Trump's LIES.

I have literally quoted from that to you showing that you have no clue what you are talking about and of course like you do, you ignored it. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

^This is your make-believe position, for which you HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

Any actual evidence they were transporting drugs now rests at the bottom of the ocean, which is WHY they blew up the boat instead of interdicting it.

They can read a tattoo on a rat's ass with the satellites. They not only knew what and who were on the boat, they knew their home address and phone number as well.

Stop being dumb.

[robosmith]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

They can read a tattoo on a rat's ass with the satellites. They not only knew what and who were on the boat, they knew their home address and phone number as well.

Stop being dumb.

No ONE is dumb enough to believe YOU have inside knowledge about what US intel knows.

Even if US intel knew something, doesn't mean that Trump is telling us what THEY KNEW.

And it doesn't take 11 men to crew a drug smuggler boat like the one in the video. Much more likely they were migrant smugglers.

Unfortunate you're too stupid to know that 9 extra men on that boat means a thousand less pounds of drugs. Duh

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, User said:

Please cite whatever legal framework you are operating from to make your argument regarding "extrajudicial kilings" in international waters. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjzw3gplv7o

UN Convention on The Law of the Sea.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

 ... you were very critical of the number of drone strikes carried out under Obama.

Indeed - Trump and Obama are culpable in these.  The fact is we will not ever and can not ever know if they were justified.

[User]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjzw3gplv7o

UN Convention on The Law of the Sea.

Since you can't read the link you provided nor be bothered to even explain what from it supports your point here, let me help you out:

"The US is not a signatory to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea"

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Indeed - Trump and Obama are culpable in these.  The fact is we will not ever and can not ever know if they were justified.

Exactly. I'm not going to shed any tears over the demise of a few drug runners but I really wonder what limits there  are on this kind of thing. It's pretty hard to be outraged by Modi putting out hits in your country on people he considers terrorists when you are doing the same thing in other countries or international waters.

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, User said:

Since you can't read the link you provided nor be bothered to even explain what from it supports your point here, let me help you out:

"The US is not a signatory to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea"

True, but the US military's legal advisors have previously said that the US should "act in a manner consistent with its provisions".

Like not being a member of the International Court, the US reserves the right to do what ever it wants without being held accountable.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Aristides said:

True

Yes, I know. 

So... what is your point now other than complaining that we blew up some drug smuggling boat linked to a known violent gang that the United States has deemed as a terror threat to our nation?

 

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, I know. 

So... what is your point now other than complaining that we blew up some drug smuggling boat linked to a known violent gang that the United States has deemed as a terror threat to our nation?

 

My point is, your country feels it is entitled to blow up who they want, where they want with no accountability. 

[User]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

My point is, your country feels it is entitled to blow up who they want, where they want with no accountability. 

As does any other nation... the accountability is within our own legal framework and the people who elect our leaders to protect us from these threats. 

 

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, User said:

As does any other nation... the accountability is within our own legal framework and the people who elect our leaders to protect us from these threats. 

 

Other nations are signatories to these institutions. So your argument is Putin is justified in invading Ukraine solely because he is only accountable to the Russian people and its institutions. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Other nations are signatories to these institutions. So your argument is Putin is justified in invading Ukraine solely because he is only accountable to the Russian people and its institutions. 

No, once again you move the goal posts. Now you want to talk about "justified" instead of lawful or accountable. 

But to the larger point, what holds nations in check is other nations willing to stop them, if they find what they are doing that bad. 

Like... do you think it is cool how the Taliban is treating women? I don't. It is awful. So... now what?

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, User said:

No, once again you move the goal posts. Now you want to talk about "justified" instead of lawful or accountable. 

But to the larger point, what holds nations in check is other nations willing to stop them, if they find what they are doing that bad. 

Like... do you think it is cool how the Taliban is treating women? I don't. It is awful. So... now what?

What Putin is doing is lawful in Russia because he is only accountable to Russians. Correct. 

I'm not justifying anything that drug runners or the Taliban do. My question is what are the limits on who the US gets to kill? Are there any and if so, what are they?

[robosmith]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Other nations are signatories to these institutions. So your argument is Putin is justified in invading Ukraine solely because he is only accountable to the Russian people and its institutions. 

Thing is, once Putin abandoned democracy by eliminating his competition, he is no longer accountable to ANYONE.

Now Trump is at least CONSIDERING trying to do exactly that here. 🤮

[User]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

What Putin is doing is lawful in Russia because he is only accountable to Russians. Correct. 

I'm not justifying anything that drug runners or the Taliban do. My question is what are the limits on who the US gets to kill? Are there any and if so, what are they?

The limits on who any nation gets to kill is only ever going to be what other nations are willing to do to stop them or the limits they place on themselves. 

Welcome to World History 101. 

Meanwhile, I shed no tears for a bunch of violent gang members smuggling drugs to fund their operations that are harming and killing Americans.