Could the Palestinians of Gaza be the descendants of the ancient Philistines in the Bible?

[BeaverFever]

FACT:  Palestinians, like Lebanese and the original Hebrews of the area, are descendants from the bronze aga Canaanites. This has been confirmed by genetic studies.  In fact Palestinians have a slightly higher genetic continuity with Bronze Age levantines than Jewish people. But that’s simply because a much greater proportion of modern Jews are have lived abroad for multiple generations and have more converts among them compared to Palestinians 

[PIK]

On 8/13/2025 at 2:07 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

That’s like saying everyone in the British Empire was ethnically British. A relatively small number of Arabs invaded the region and brought their religion and language with them. Research on their DNA shows that Palestinians, like Jews, are partially descended from the Canaanite population that preceded the Abrahamic religions in the region. 

Name me a PM or president? What was the borders? What innovations do they have? If Irseal lost in 48, you think there would be a Palestinian state? No, the Arabs want nothing to do with them. Their own people,but you expect us to look after them?

[PIK]

The only reason people philistines and palastinains are the same, because the sound alike. 

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, PIK said:

The only reason people philistines and palastinains are the same, because the sound alike. 

TBH it doesn't really matter, because they live there now and they're humans, and it's impossible to determine citizenship and land rights by DNA results.

Right now the Palestinians' decades-long support of genocides in Pakistan, their decades-long devotion to genocide in Israel, and their love of terrorist attacks all over the world are all coming home to roost.

Just like some people's ugly exterior is the physical manifestation of their inner ugliness, Gaza's smoky, cratered landscape is a reflection of it's people's collective soul. Gazans wake up every day choosing violent religious bigotry, and Gaza looks like their dream for Israel.

[herbie]

Oh FFS it's an anthropology question, not about right f*cking now politics.
You could be a descendent of Thag the caveman and Lucy protohuman and it makes no difference in your 2025 outlook.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Oh FFS it's an anthropology question, not about right f*cking now politics.
You could be a descendent of Thag the caveman and Lucy protohuman and it makes no difference in your 2025 outlook.

STFU, dummy. Everything that you know about the situation in Gaza right now would fit in a nutshell and rattle.

[herbie]

We are not taling about he situation in Gaza, are we? So you STFU if you're not going to speak to the subject.
Continue your stubborn assininity elsewhere in a relevant thread and let the adults talk.

[SpankyMcFarland]

12 hours ago, PIK said:

Name me a PM or president? What was the borders? What innovations do they have? If Irseal lost in 48, you think there would be a Palestinian state? No, the Arabs want nothing to do with them. Their own people,but you expect us to look after them?

What would you like to ask me? 

[SpankyMcFarland]

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

TBH it doesn't really matter, because they live there now and they're humans, and it's impossible to determine citizenship and land rights by DNA results.

Right now the Palestinians' decades-long support of genocides in Pakistan, their decades-long devotion to genocide in Israel, and their love of terrorist attacks all over the world are all coming home to roost.

Just like some people's ugly exterior is the physical manifestation of their inner ugliness, Gaza's smoky, cratered landscape is a reflection of its people's collective soul. Gazans wake up every day choosing violent religious bigotry, and Gaza looks like their dream for Israel.

The thing is that ‘we were here first’ is constantly brought up by some supporters of Israel despite the fact that they live in places like Canada where many of them were certainly not the first. The DNA shows that both Palestinians and Jews are of mixed ancestry, partly Canaanite in origin. 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The thing is that ‘we were here first’ is constantly brought up by some supporters of Israel despite the fact that they live in places like Canada where many of them were certainly not the first. The DNA shows that both Palestinians and Jews are of mixed ancestry, partly Canaanite in origin. 

The thing is that it was islamic religious bigotry that drove the Jews out of Israel and other places in the ME in the first place. 

Jews didn't all leave and move right across the globe because they wanted to, they were forced out by violent islamic extremists. And it's not like it was just a small minority of bigots in the islamic world, mohammed was an extremely violent religious bigot himself, and his tradition of committing genocide and enslaving men, women and children was carried on throughout the centuries. 

The Jews faced slaughters, genocides, riots against them constantly for the last 1400 years in the ME. 

Religious bigotry against Jews in the ME (and all non-muslims, but it was worst against Jews) was codified right into law in the Ottoman Empire, which is most of the ME. If you think that minorities here are marginalized then you have absolutely no clue what real discrimination looks like. 

 

And as far as the Palestinians' own claim that they were there first and the "Ashkenazi" Jews are foreign invaders/occupiers/colonizers is concerned, I understand that some of them feel that way, but ONLY the actual descendants of those Palestinians can even weigh in on that argument. No other muslim on the face of the earth has any right to voice that claim, because when 8M Sikhs and Hindus were forced out of Pakistan, leaving about 1M slaughtered relatives behind, no one in the muslim world gave a shit. Every muslim country in the ME and every muslim on earth supports Pakistan 100%, and what they did in Pakistan was 2,000 times worse than what happened in Israel 8 months later, if you judge it by body count. 

Any muslim who purports to be concerned for the Palestinians, purely by virtue of their own humanitarian concerns, is just a lying, violent bigot, period, because all they are doing is favouring their own people over others. 

Go try to find a muslim who cares about the right to return of 8M Sikhs and Hindus, or about the millions of them who were slaughtered by islamic bigots. Go find a Sikh or Hindu that was driven from Pakistan who would even return to that violent religious hellhole... 

When you finally find one of those unbigoted, humanitarian muslims (which you won't, because they do not exist), then you can tell me all about their concerns for the Gazans. I recommend that you buy lottery tickets and try to win the grand prize instead, if you want to have any hope of success. 

Edited August 28, 2025 by WestCanMan

[blackbird]

On 8/13/2025 at 10:20 AM, eyeball said:

Above all else though they're human beings.

Western right wingers don't support human beings? WTF is wrong with you people?

Depends whether they are anti-Semites or anti-Israel haters doesn't it?  If their main interest is in eliminating Israel, that is a problem.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 8/28/2025 at 12:38 PM, WestCanMan said:

The thing is that it was islamic religious bigotry that drove the Jews out of Israel and other places in the ME in the first place. 
 

On 8/28/2025 at 12:38 PM, WestCanMan said:

Jews didn't all leave and move right across the globe because they wanted to, they were forced out by violent islamic extremists. And it's not like it was just a small minority of bigots in the islamic world, mohammed was an extremely violent religious bigot himself, and his tradition of committing genocide and enslaving men, women and children was carried on throughout the centuries. 

The Jews faced slaughters, genocides, riots against them constantly for the last 1400 years in the ME. 

Religious bigotry against Jews in the ME (and all non-muslims, but it was worst against Jews) was codified right into law in the Ottoman Empire, which is most of the ME. If you think that minorities here are marginalized then you have absolutely no clue what real discrimination looks like.
 

The history of the world is one of war between tribes, sects, countries etc. The expulsion of Jews from Israel occurred on multiple occasions even before Islam appeared, eg under Roman rule. 

 

 

On 8/28/2025 at 12:38 PM, WestCanMan said:

And as far as the Palestinians' own claim that they were there first and the "Ashkenazi" Jews are foreign invaders/occupiers/colonizers is concerned, I understand that some of them feel that way, but ONLY the actual descendants of those Palestinians can even weigh in on that argument. No other muslim on the face of the earth has any right to voice that claim, because when 8M Sikhs and Hindus were forced out of Pakistan, leaving about 1M slaughtered relatives behind, no one in the muslim world gave a shit. Every muslim country in the ME and every muslim on earth supports Pakistan 100%, and what they did in Pakistan was 2,000 times worse than what happened in Israel 8 months later, if you judge it by body count. 

Any muslim who purports to be concerned for the Palestinians, purely by virtue of their own humanitarian concerns, is just a lying, violent bigot, period, because all they are doing is favouring their own people over others. 

But does that mean that nobody but Israelis and Palestinians can discuss this issue? Should we be discussing it? 

 

On 8/28/2025 at 12:38 PM, WestCanMan said:

try to find a muslim who cares about the right to return of 8M Sikhs and Hindus, or about the millions of them who were slaughtered by islamic bigots. Go find a Sikh or Hindu that was driven from Pakistan who would even return to that violent religious hellhole... 

I know of Christians who still live in Pakistan. It’s not easy. But it’s not great for religious minorities in many South Asian countries, including India, of course. In many northern states there, Christians are having a hard time these days. 

 

On 8/28/2025 at 12:38 PM, WestCanMan said:

When you finally find one of those unbigoted, humanitarian muslims (which you won't, because they do not exist), then you can tell me all about their concerns for the Gazans. I recommend that you buy lottery tickets and try to win the grand prize instead, if you want to have any hope of success. 

There are good and bad people in every religion. I’ve met them. I’ve worked with them. 

Edited August 30, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

It’s a bit odd how very sensitive some anti-woke people turn out to be to racism against one particular group all of a sudden - quite the turnaround on the right of the political spectrum. 

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

But does that mean that nobody but Israelis and Palestinians can discuss this issue? Should we be discussing it? 

It means that it should be a dead issue now, just like the issue of whether or not Sikhs and Hindus should get their homes back in Pakistan. Right?

The only reason there's an issue is that in this instance it's "Jews holding land in the ME at the expense of muslims", instead of "muslims holding land in Pakistan at the expense of Jews or Sikhs and Hindus".  In other words, Israel/Palestine is purely an issue because of the hyper-bigoted muslims in that region. 

If the situation was reversed, and this was a case where muslims had benefitted at the Jews' expense from 1948-present, do you think that Iran would give a shit about what happened to the Jews there in 1948, or even since Oct 7th? 

Somehow I don't think that you're gonna come up with the right answer on that one Spanky, because the answer isn't in your liberal soapbox notes.

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There are good and bad people in every religion. I’ve met them. I’ve worked with them. 

You clearly have no functional grasp of this issue. Let me explain:

If there's a guy who's in a random class/workshop that you're attending, and unbeknownst to you he's a murderer, rapist, pedophile, and he takes people as slaves, are you guilty of those things by the nature of your association with him? Somewhat guilty? Not guilty at all? Not guilty is the correct answer, in case you were wondering.

But is your unwitting opinion of him a measure of your own character? Maybe he's the nicest guy in class, because he has so much to hide. Maybe he even bought everyone lunch a few times. So if you think that he's a swell guy, based on what you know, does that make you a bad person? No. It does not. 

Now, what if you know all those horrible things about him, and you regard him as a prophet of your God? At that point, what kinds of things can we conclude about your character? Would it be wise to assume that, given the opportunity, you would join a group like Islamic State, and do all of those despicable things yourself, if you knew that you could get away with it?

 

What part of your Canadian upbringing makes you feel like the most worthy human being of all time was a rapist, a pedophile, a murderer and a slaver? Can you name a person who did those things for whom you feel nothing but admiration? 

Can you tell me how many rapes and beheadings Jesus and Buddha conducted? Do you have any reason to believe that they were pedophiles, or forced women and children into slavery? Cite, plz....

It's just my simple estimation that you're wildly ignorant of the nature of the islamic religion, and how it compares to other religions. That's all. 

 

Last thing... this is the one generalization that you can take to the bank with you, regardless of Twain's famous maxim: 

You can't judge people, to great extent, by what they do in the face of adversity, or any mundane scenario. The best way to judge a person is by what they do when they are in a position of power.

• Do they use that power to viciously inflict themselves on other people, do they just horde possessions and remain neutral to the plights of others, do they help people a little bit? A lot?
• When people aren't in a position of power, like your muslim friends, what can they actually do to you? Can they force your wife to wear a hijab? Can they beat her up if she refuses? Can they take your daughters as slaves and have sex with them, even as they're still children? Can they take your young sons as slaves?

Nope. They can't do anyt of those things, because they are a vast minority here, so they have no power over you.

So what happens if you go to a muslim-majority country? Any muslim-majority country that isn't a brochure destination... Can your wife walk around without a hijab? Nope. Will she be beaten if she refuses? Yep. What will the cops do? Nothing - they'll ask why that wh-ore wasn't wearing a hijab. For real. 

That's what muslims are like when they are in a position of power. Book it. 

IOW, your opinion of the islamic faith, based on your interactions with muslims over here who are powerless, is nothing more than a distraction from the truth about their people in general. 

And if the ones who are over here are bothered by the behaviour of the ones overseas, both now and historically, then why the F would they still be muslims? 

I will tell you right now that any woman who wears a hijab and rages against misogyny is a faker, because the hijab is the universal symbol of misogyny and religious bigotry, and nothing else even comes close. Even a burning cross on a lawn just bears a moon-cast shadow of the hate and malice that has been inflicted upon women by the hijab.

FYI you can take a muslim woman with a hijab into the remote areas of Canada and she won't get beaten or threatened or spat upon for wearing it. I f'ing dare you to take your wife to any small town in Iraq, Iran, Qatar, UAE, Saudi, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc and see how far she can go without putting on a hijab. There's actually a really good chance that you will both end up dead, and the cops/gov't won't give a shit, just as long as they can keep it from gaining international notoriety.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 8/30/2025 at 4:46 PM, WestCanMan said:

It means that it should be a dead issue now, just like the issue of whether or not Sikhs and Hindus should get their homes back in Pakistan. Right?

The only reason there's an issue is that in this instance it's "Jews holding land in the ME at the expense of muslims", instead of "muslims holding land in Pakistan at the expense of Jews or Sikhs and Hindus".  In other words, Israel/Palestine is purely an issue because of the hyper-bigoted muslims in that region. 

If the situation was reversed, and this was a case where muslims had benefitted at the Jews' expense from 1948-present, do you think that Iran would give a shit about what happened to the Jews there in 1948, or even since Oct 7th? 

Somehow I don't think that you're gonna come up with the right answer on that one Spanky, because the answer isn't in your liberal soapbox notes.

I am well aware of what happened in India. Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims all lost their lives in huge numbers in the partition there. That was wrong and what happened in Palestine was wrong too. One wrong does not justify the other. As a secular social democrat I believe religion should play no part in the running of the state. Unfortunately, governments in Sri Lanka and Pakistan and more recently in India itself have all chosen to stoke sectarian conflict for political advantage. 
 

Muhammad’s story is indeed an odd one for a religious leader but there are a fair few rum coves in the Old Testament too - a weird book for modern readers. We have to bear in mind that these were in part desert survival guides where danger was constantly looming. 

Edited September 1, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[August1991]

On 8/13/2025 at 11:57 AM, blackbird said:

If you read this you will come to the conclusion the answer is yes.

....

And Newfoundlanders are the lost tribe of Judaism.

[Shady]

Palestinians are racist as f**k.

 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I am well aware of what happened in India. Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims all lost their lives in huge numbers in the partition there. That was wrong and what happened in Palestine was wrong too. One wrong does not justify the other.

That was a well-written, thoughtful and intelligent reply. I apologize for my tone in the previous post.

 

For me, personally, I am 100% convinced that islamic religious bigotry is the one and only reason that anyone in North America even knows about the Israel/Palestine situation.

If 1948 had ended with the slaughter of 99% of the Jews in that region, and what few survivors were left were all living under islamic bigotry that was codified into law, just like it was for 1,000 years before the 1900s, the ME would be peaceful and calm, and no one would be talking about it anymore.

Iran wouldn't be funding the surviving Jews so that they could commit terrorist attacks against Palestinians. Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Qatar, etc would have normalized relations with the new state of Palestine on Day 1, just like they did with Pakistan while they were still slaughtering Hindus and Sikhs in 1947. 

 

The situation in Gaza is this: They committed that attack on Oct so that there would be reprisals from Israel, and they fully intended for there to be a body count like this. More importantly, Iran funded all of this just for the dead Gazan child photo ops. If they didn't think that they could create hatred in the ME with that attack on Oct 7th, it never would have happened. They would have adopted a different strategy.

 

It's sad for me to admit this, but this eventually ends in a genocide against the Jews. There are just too many mislims who want it too passionately for it not to happen, and the decades and centuries aren't making a dint in their bigotry and hatred.  

[Chrissy1979]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Palestinians are racist as f**k.

 

I bet you aren't swift enough to know what it is when you tar a nation based on anecdotal evidence of the behavior of a few individuals, are you?

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Palestinians are racist as f**k.

 

Yikes. She would win the gold medal in the Olympics for both Dunning Kruger effect and bigotry.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The situation in Gaza is this: They committed that attack on Oct so that there would be reprisals from Israel

OTOH, there's been ample suggestion Israel knew this attack was coming and they allowed it to happen for the same reason - a bump in sympathy and justification to go kill several 10's of thousands of Palestinians.

Galvanizing events blow up in everyone's faces.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

I bet you aren't swift enough to know what it is when you tar a nation based on anecdotal evidence of the behavior of a few individuals, are you?

The percentage of Palestinians who are in favour of a genocide in Israel is the reason that they are considered violent bigots.

Find me another place on earth where you can parade around the bodies of half-naked girls who were r4ped and murdered, and people will allow their children to go spit on them...

If you were r4ped and murdered, do you think that anyone in NA wants to spit on your corpse? How many people would let their kid spit on your corpse?

You know nothing of these people of whom you speak. You were told a victim story and you just fell for it. 

Tell me why NO muslim countries will take them in. There are good answers to that question, you just don't know any of them, yet here you are running your mouth again. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

OTOH, there's been ample suggestion Israel knew this attack was coming and they allowed it to happen for the same reason - a bump in sympathy and justification to go kill several 10's of thousands of Palestinians.

Galvanizing events blow up in everyone's faces.

I'd suggest that the Israelis were aware of hundreds of km of tunnels being dug beneath them, and that they fear that the tunnels would be used to place nukes under Israel. 

At some point they had to go into Gaza and locate all those tunnel entrances, and that couldn't have waited ten more years.

So, do I think that the Israelis let it happen? 

I've thought that since the beginning. They couldn't possibly be naive enough to have forgotten the anniversary of Yom Kippur. 

Then again, how did they convince hundreds of Palestinians to come north on a baby-burning expedition? 

 

I'm not a huge fan of religion, and I'm even less of a fan of the baconally challenged religions, but the muslims are historically at the bottom of the barrel for all of humanity. They have no room to look down their noses at the Nazis, and you can't say that about too many people. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

5 hours ago, Shady said:

Palestinians are racist as f**k.

 

Let he who is without sin in this regard get all wound up about it. We are all racist. If we learned to accept this we wouldn’t be amazed every time we see it again. Some of you seem to have led rather sheltered lives. Go to South Africa and talk to, say, the South Asians there about their fellow citizens. 

Edited September 1, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[herbie]

You guys love rolling in the same shitpile like a dog that's found a bag of fish fertilizer in the corner of the barn.

No subject may be posted about enything without running back to the shitpile, tails wagging.