Why should we hate Nazis?

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1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Lol.  Sure.  I think you make up the stories in your head that confirm your biases.

No, historically these paramilitaries were all considered terrorist groups. Especially the ones that attacked and finally drove the British out.

Recall Britain also had the job of protecting Palestinians.

[Moonbox]

On 8/13/2025 at 10:24 AM, I am Groot said:

I would suggest you re-read my OP and reconsider.

You literally said the Left™ was embracing the ideas of the Nazis, as well as the ideas of another group that apparently has the same ideas of the Nazis.  What's there to reconsider?   

On 8/13/2025 at 10:24 AM, I am Groot said:

Rather like virtually everyone on the Left refers to the 'far right' - meaning anyone not them?

Projecting the cognitive fallacy on the object of your cognitive fallacy is a pretty awkward defense, I must say.  

On 8/13/2025 at 10:24 AM, I am Groot said:

The LEFT is a group whose general response to almost every social and political question can be fairly solidly predicted. The variance within that largely uniform group has been dwindling over the years to the point it's hardly worth considering these days when speaking generally (as one must) of a large group.

Except again, that's all in your imagination.  While Left or Right could be loosely defined as a political spectrum, with large areas of grey in between, even that would be grossly simplistic.  It'd be better to look at it as a Venn Diagram, with an infinite number of circles overlapping from different groups/personalities/ideas/experiences, and debate against those individually rather than strawmanning against an absurdist, general fiction. 

Regardless, the idea that the Left™ embraces and hand-waves theocracy, oppression and medievalism in various parts of the Islamic World is complete and utter nonsense.

Edited August 14, 2025 by Moonbox

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, historically these paramilitaries were all considered terrorist groups. Especially the ones that attacked and finally drove the British out.

Recall Britain also had the job of protecting Palestinians.

I see, so now you're trying to claim that October 7th wasn't a terrorist attack that was evil, it was paramilitary attack that was justified. 

Pathetic. 

 

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3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I see, so now you're trying to claim that October 7th wasn't a terrorist attack that was evil, it was paramilitary attack that was justified. 

Oh it was plenty evil alright. War always is.

[CdnFox]

44 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Oh it was plenty evil alright. War always is.

So it was just like any other war in  your mind.  Nothing different about it than any other war. 

The hilarious thing is 5 minutes from now you will try and claim you've never ever suggested that what the terrorists did was legitimate

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Regardless, the idea that the Left™ embraces and hand-waves theocracy, oppression and medievalism in various parts of the Islamic World is complete and utter nonsense.

No, it absolutely isn't unless you're blinded by your own ideological blinkers. How many left or centre-left governments have, for example, done anything to screen or stop the number of Islamists entering their countries? How many have taken a firm stand in support of Israel? How many have taken a firm stand and firm action to stop the rise of antisemitism? And no, words don't count. And when has the Left criticized Islam? When are they going to start demanding Islam lighten up on abortion, on LGTB, on women's equality? The feminist groups in the West couldn't even bring themselves to criticize or even mention the mass raping and murdering of young women on Oct 7.

The Left, including its institutions like the legacy media, as well as all leftist parties, support Hamas rather than Israel. Jews are harassed and attacked daily, with nothing but silence from our institutions and politicians. Yet every time some Muslim girl gets her hijab yanked, the prime minister comes out with a sobbing cry for vengeance and demands to crush "Islamophobia," which is a word and concept invented by an Islamist group and widely adopted by the Left. Antisemitism thrives on our university campuses with the approval of professors and administrators, and has spread to K-12 schools. Iran and Hamas funded marches take place daily in every city by a mix of Muslims and leftists screaming curses on Israel and barely veiled curses on Jews. And what do the police do? They tell Jews to get out of their path and arrest anyone who tries to counter-protest. Why? Because municipal government is mostly Left/centre-left and don't want the police to annoy their voters.

Have you never wondered, by the way, why the most socially conservative group in Canada consistently votes for the Liberals and NDP? Because the same thing happens in the UK. Muslims vote Labour. Same in Australia. Same in France. Because they know the Left-wing parties will let them do as they want, will protect them from legal retribution, and will continue to keep the doors held wide so that more of their religious brethren can come in.

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, historically these paramilitaries were all considered terrorist groups. Especially the ones that attacked and finally drove the British out.

And the place in the Arab world where Arabs have the most human rights is ... Israel.

Edited August 14, 2025 by I am Groot

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So it was just like any other war in  your mind.  Nothing different about it than any other war. 

It's definitely the longest running war on the planet...with no end in sight to boot.

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The hilarious thing is 5 minutes from now you will try and claim you've never ever suggested that what the terrorists did was legitimate

Months ago I said they should be charged with war crimes.

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28 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And the place in the Arab world where Arabs have the most human rights is ... Israel.

Good for them but so what? You're suggesting this gives Israel special rights?

[WestCanMan]

On 8/8/2025 at 7:19 AM, Michael Hardner said:

The Left doesn't hate Jews.

This post is a troll.

The left lies and smears Jews. The left ignores the plight of Jews who are the subject of threats, intimidation, and even violence. The left yells chants about genocide in Israel. The left protects the rights of islamists who dog-whistle overtly call for genocide against Jews. 

With "friends" like you, who needs enemies? 

[WestCanMan]

On 8/8/2025 at 7:19 AM, Michael Hardner said:

This post is a troll.

CO-rrrrect.

On 8/8/2025 at 7:57 AM, Aristides said:

Yes anyone, so it is a big mistake to pin it on any one demographic.

But it's not a big mistake to call out people who are acting like Nazis, which isn't out of character for leftists in this day and age.

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22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

But it's not a big mistake to call out people who are acting like Nazis, which isn't out of character for leftists in this day and age.

So Einstein was a lefty...interesting.

[WestCanMan]

On 8/8/2025 at 11:26 AM, User said:

Nothing myserious here at all...

Disgrace in Canada: Despair and hatred for Jews is becoming normalized - opinion

"According to Fogel – who this month concluded 36 stalwart years at the helm of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs (CIJA), the main Canadian Jewish community advocacy agency – there has been a 93% rise in hate crimes in Toronto since October 7, the majority of which have been directed at the Jewish community. In Vancouver, reports of antisemitism increased 62% in 2023 over 2022; 70% of those occurred after October 7. In Montreal, antisemitic incidents are up by 250%."
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-834195

Normally it's just assumed that "all hate crimes against Jews come from white conservative males", because it's customary for left4rd publications to slander white males, but we all know that the vast, vast majority of hate crimes against Jews are committed by either muslims of leftists. 

TBH, it's not like Jews haven't participated in the slander of white males, but that's not gonna make me sympathetic to the people who want to see them slaughtered.

[WestCanMan]

On 8/8/2025 at 2:06 PM, blackbird said:

Some MAGA types don't hate Jews but they sure like to deport undocumented migrants and don't mind all the people being seized and abused.

What in the mouth-breathing, left4rd hell are you prattling on about now, blackbird? 

1. FYI deporting undocumented migrants is lawful & normal (leftists thought that it was cool when Acrock O'Blahblah was doing it), and it is done in support of low-income Americans who compete with them for jobs and housing
2. Who are all these people being seized and abused? Are you talking about Freedom Convoy protesters? Because more of them were wrongfully seized and abused than illegal immigrants.

[WestCanMan]

On 8/8/2025 at 3:48 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Rather, I would say you're an opponent of intellectual honesty.

Says the guy who pretended to see a sea of swastikas and confederate flags. 

FYI intellectual honesty is not something that you'd ever be accused of. 

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I'm a conservative by the way. Not a populist.

Stop it, Mike. 

The most conservative thing about you is your pink miniskirt.

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I'm a conservative puppet by the way. Not a populist.

Fixed it for ya.

On 8/8/2025 at 4:54 PM, herbie said:

To even ask such a question shows a level of ignorance beyond all understanding.

Jealous? 

[Moonbox]

13 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

No, it absolutely isn't unless you're blinded by your own ideological blinkers. How many left or centre-left governments have, for example, done anything to screen or stop the number of Islamists entering their countries? How many have taken a firm stand in support of Israel?

You're doing a pretty good job of demonstrating what an "ideological blinker" is here.  This is a pretty staggering amount of conflation and the leaps in logic you're making are pretty out there.  

While you could reasonably argue that recent western governments have not done enough to screen immigrants in general, or even that specifically from Muslim countries, that's galaxies away from the same thing as supporting or embracing "Islamisism", and certainly not Nazism as you proposed.  

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

And when has the Left criticized Islam? When are they going to start demanding Islam lighten up on abortion, on LGTB, on women's equality?

Islam is just a religion bud.  It's no more or less deserving of criticism than any other.  Medieval or fundamentalist/authoritarian Islamist countries are certainly deserving of criticism, but guess what?  It gets criticized all of the time. Those humanitarian agencies and human rights groups that you poo-poo as being biased and compromised against Israel?  Maybe go look at what some of them have to say about places like Saudi Arabia. Just because you don't pay any attention doesn't mean it's not being said.  These groups aren't there to just say what you want, when you want them to.  

As far as anti-semitism goes, you look completely ridiculous squawking about that while at the same time proclaiming that Islamophobia is a made-up concept. Holy crap.  

 

 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

On 8/8/2025 at 7:42 PM, Aristides said:

There were antisemites long before there were NAZI's, they were just the worst incarnation.

If you wanna go down that road, Jews were also as guilty as anyone of being horrible long before there were Nazis.

Not all Jews, and not all of the time, and the same can be said for anyone. We've (including our distant ancestors on various continents) all had our moments in the distant, or even near, past. 

If we wanna pick and choose what dates in the past we wanna focus on and which ones we wanna ignore then we can all hate everyone else, and say that we're perfect. 

At the present time, Jew-hatred is at a fever pitch among a lot of the various sects in the left4rd community. 

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What in the mouth-breathing, left4rd hell are you prattling on about now, blackbird? 

1. FYI deporting undocumented migrants is lawful & normal (leftists thought that it was cool when Acrock O'Blahblah was doing it), and it is done in support of low-income Americans who compete with them for jobs and housing
2. Who are all these people being seized and abused? Are you talking about Freedom Convoy protesters? Because more of them were wrongfully seized and abused than illegal immigrants.

My postings had nothing to do with freedom convoy protesters. 

Deporting undocumented migrants broadly without a proper due process in accordance with the U.N. refugee protocols is contrary to international law. 

I won't get into a long drawn out debate on this thread because it has been done under the U.S. politics thread and I spent enough time on it there.  Will just quote one OP I posted from the U.S. federal politics thread.

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From what I have read on search engines most of these people are not criminals.  I don't think people who cross the border without proper documentation, if they are refugees or fleeing from a bad situation, can be classified as criminals.

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What Does The Bible Say About Immigrants And Refugees

Showing Compassion and Kindness

In our faith journey, we find great teachings about showing compassion and kindness, especially towards immigrants and refugees. As followers of Christ, we are called to love others and to actively express that love through our actions. The Bible consistently encourages us to care for those who may be struggling, reminding us that compassion opens our hearts and enriches our communities. While we navigate our relationships, we must remember that everyone deserves dignity, support, and a sense of welcome among us.

Exodus 22:21

“Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” – Exodus 22:21

This verse encourages us to treat foreigners with respect, reminding us of our past. We are called to extend kindness since we, too, may have faced struggles.

Deuteronomy 10:18-19

“He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” – Deuteronomy 10:18-19

In these verses, God commands us to love and care for immigrants, echoing the importance of empathy. Our own experiences can inform our ability to help those in need.

Leviticus 19:34

“The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.” – Leviticus 19:34

This verse emphasizes equality and love. We are reminded to treat immigrants like family, which inspires inclusivity and acceptance in our communities.

Psalms 146:9

“The LORD watches over the foreigner and sustains the fatherless and the widow, but he frustrates the ways of the wicked.” – Psalms 146:9

God’s watchful eye is on those in need, including immigrants. This promise reassures us that we must also stand with and support those who are vulnerable and seeking refuge.

Matthew 25:35

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.” – Matthew 25:35

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What Does The Bible Say About Immigrants And Refugees (31 Verses Explained) - Christianity Path

Seems pretty clear how refugees are to be treated.

 

 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, blackbird said:

My postings had nothing to do with freedom convoy protesters. 

Deporting undocumented migrants broadly without a proper due process in accordance with the U.N. refugee protocols is contrary to international law. 

The UN can go to hell for all I care. They're not the good guys that they pretend to be. 

[blackbird]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

The UN can go to hell for all I care. They're not the good guys that they pretend to be. 

I know but there are some things they are correct about.  Not everything is black and white.   You can't treat the third world humanity like dirt just because you live in a rich, powerful country and can do whatever you want.

[WestCanMan]

On 8/9/2025 at 7:48 PM, herbie said:

When left is right

The left4rds haven't been right for decades now.

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right is wrong,

Of course that's inevitable at some point, but that hasn't been the case for the past 15 years, at least.

[WestCanMan]

On 8/10/2025 at 6:38 AM, Gaétan said:

The Nazis have reincarnated in Israel to help massacre the Palestinians.

Idjit. 

FYI one group has been trying to annihilate the other since day 1 of Israel's existence, you're just too ignorant to look at facts that disrupt your narrative. 

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 You can't treat the third world humanity like dirt just because you live in a rich, powerful country and can do whatever you want.

Who ever said that they should?

Do you have an example to cite?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Who ever said that they should?

Do you have an example to cite?

The fact the whole operation of arresting and deporting undocumented migrants without the due process and no consideration that they may be refugees is against the U.N. protocols which the U.S. signed onto in 1967.  None of that is respected.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You can't treat the third world humanity like dirt just because you live in a rich, powerful country and can do whatever you want.

Who ever said that they should?

Do you have an example to cite?

if you do a little search, there are lots of news articles on the internet showing how the admin is arresting, imprisoning, and deporting thousands of people regardless of why or where they came from.   Some of those articles were posted on the US Federal politics threads.  All this is common knowledge.

"

Asylum & the Rights of Refugees

OVERVIEW

States have been granting protection to individuals and groups fleeing persecution for centuries; however, the modern refugee regime is largely the product of the second half of the twentieth century. Like international human rights law, modern refugee law has its origins in the aftermath of World War II as well as the refugee crises of the interwar years that preceded it. Article 14(1) of the  (UDHR), which was adopted in 1948, guarantees the right to seek and enjoy asylum in other countries. Subsequent regional human rights instruments have elaborated on this right, guaranteeing the “right to seek and be granted asylum in a foreign territory, in accordance with the legislation of the state and international conventions.” , art. 22(7); , art. 12(3)."

Asylum & the Rights of Refugees - Center for Global Law and Justice | Resource Hub

 

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The fact the whole operation of arresting and deporting undocumented migrants without the due process and no consideration that they may be refugees is against the U.N. protocols which the U.S. signed onto in 1967.  None of that is respected.

Too bad. 

IF they were refugees they would have begun that process and been identified as such. 

The burden of proof is on them, the burden is NOT on the USA to prove they're not. 

And the first rule is you should be out side the usa.

How to seek refuge in the U.S.

To seek refugee status, you must be outside the U.S. and believe you will be persecuted in your country. Find out if you and your family qualify as refugees and how to apply.

How to seek refuge in the U.S. | USAGov

 

Sorry but these are just people illegally in the us. 

[WestCanMan]

40 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The fact the whole operation of arresting and deporting undocumented migrants without the due process and no consideration that they may be refugees is against the U.N. protocols which the U.S. signed onto in 1967.  None of that is respected.

I honestly don't care about the fate of criminals. I fully expect that if I snuck across the border into the US I would get sent home. 

I wouldn't whine and snivel to try and make the case that they needed to keep me.