Carney's announcement to recognize a state of Palestine in September most ill-conceived imaginable.

[Army Guy]

On 8/4/2025 at 11:07 AM, Barquentine said:

Carneys announcement: Right thing to say, wrong time to say it. But the news cycle has moved on so it won't have any effect on trade deals.

BTW; How long has Netenyahoo (the Strongman) been in power? 12, 15 years? And the "deadliest terrorist attack against Israel since its birth in 1948" took place on his watch. Obviously his way doesn't work.

Sure Carney sent them 300 million, where do you think Hamas spends that money....on blankets and teddy bears...or rockets and bullets....Canada supports terrorism....we should not have anything to due with Gaza or the west bank...they have made their bed and now they should sleep in it...

Israel has changed the game plan, and has reduced gaza to a huge pile of rubble, and yet Hamas still in power nothing is going to change in Gaza, until palestinians are removed for gaza and place some place else...there is not 2 state ....they had that and threw it back in the worlds face...

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I actually think Canada may be on the correct side of this issue.  Israel doesn’t appear to be performing its operations surgically enough or taking enough precautions to protect civilians.  It seems slow to address the humanitarian crisis. 

That's unusually unbiased opinion for anything related to Israel/Hamas/Gaza. Kudos.

From what I see, and I know everything related to every war is mostly propaganda, the Israelis are doing what they can to warn people to get out of the way before they blow up targets in Gaza.

And I know that Gazans could have evacuated all of the danger zones by now because the country is 25 miles long: people could have started walking on Oct 8th, and been out by Oct 12th, without ever breaking a sweat. 

Part of the problem with Gazans not getting out is that no muslim countries will take Palestinians. The Jordanians tried it 50 years ago and they were rewarded with a rebellion for their kindness. The Palestinians actually tried to overthrow the gov't of the country that took them in lol. Now they're blockaded from escaping by Egypt.

Are the Egyptians blocking them to support Hamas/Iran, to pump up casualty totals so that they can foment hatred against Israel?

Ask me if I'd block American women and children from coming to Canada to escape death... 

But the answer re: Egypt is yes, they're blocking women and children in Gaza to support Hamas and Iran. The body count is a bonus from their POV. It's simple, name any other reason that anyone would block women and children who are trying to escape death? 

Is "There's no country in the entire islamic world that cares about the lives of women and children" a possibility? Why aren't they taking the in? 

Edited August 5, 2025 by WestCanMan

[PIK]

Hamas leadership announced that Carneys announcement, is the fruits for Oct 7th. I have never been this embarressed by a leader before,even trudeau. He needs to step down

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Then I said something a little more nuanced.

 

In an attempt to dodge the original question I asked. And you didn't say anything you want, you tried to change the subject because you realized you had said something which didn't make a lot of sense. And rather than just simply admit that and say well what I intended to say was you tried to pretend that what you said was something different than what you said

And now you're back to looking stupid. I have no idea why you constantly choose this

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

So why pretend you don't?

I never have. You are the one who was pretending I don't.  I imagine you think it distracts from the topic you wanted to avoid. It really doesn't. 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

In an attempt to dodge the original question I asked.

No, it was to make clear I should have used a different word than attain - recognition is more appropriate.

You need to let it go and move on.

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

No, it was to make clear I should have used a different word than attain - recognition is more appropriate.

 

The word attain cannot be substituted by the word recognition. One is a verb and one is a noun. As I previously pointed out what you're saying makes no sense.

So either you were drunk and rambling or you were trying to distract. Although I suppose two things can be true.

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You need to let it go and move on.

You're the one who's holding on to it.

If we're at the point where you can agree that what you were saying made no sense and it's not worth discussing anymore then fine.

[Venandi]

27 minutes ago, PIK said:

Hamas leadership announced that Carneys announcement, is the fruits for Oct 7th. I have never been this embarressed by a leader before,even trudeau. He needs to step down

 

- Hamas is delighted by this and it plays well domestically with much of the liberal base... not so well internationally though IMO.

- Egypt will not accept Palestinians, they would immediately turn the eastern Sinai into a launch pad for strikes into Israel inviting retaliatory air strikes into Egyptian territory. They have enough problems with the Muslim Brotherhood. 

 

 

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

So in my mind, these groups are in no way neutral. They are fiercely anti-Israel. And on top of that, of course, if you're in Gaza and criticize Hamas, you won't be in Gaza much longer, or you'll be dead. Mind you, almost all the people working for international NGOs in the Palestinian territories ARE Palestinians.

This logic operates on the assumption that all of the various global organizations, non-government or otherwise, are compromised and biased against Israel for "reasons", but that these "ngo-monitor" links you're tossing around here are fair and neutral, despite being funded directly by Israel.  

Awkward.  

[eyeball]

55 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If we're at the point where you can agree that what you were saying made no sense and it's not worth discussing anymore then fine.

Its not my fault it makes no sense to you. You're forever blaming everyone else for your deficiencies. You don't think everyone else can see that as well?

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Its not my fault it makes no sense to you.

Makes no sense to anyone and it's entirely your fault. As always you're a fool and you want it to be my fault.  Sorry. 

 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Makes no sense to anyone and it's entirely your fault. As always you're a fool and you want it to be my fault.  Sorry.

Sorry, but it is your fault.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sorry, but it is your fault.

I'm sure that's what you tell your therapist as well  

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm sure that's what you tell your therapist as well  

Actually she said I was dealing with it quite well and gave me a clean bill of health.

Geez did that ever make my wife fume.

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

Actually she said I was dealing with it quite well and gave me a clean bill of health.

 

That was your microwave and it's not your therapist OR your friend. 

[herbie]

Well the plan for Israel to simply take Gaza is far more distasteful and disrespectful to the people who live there.
Let's hear you all tell us how much better that is.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

Well the plan for Israel to simply take Gaza is far more distasteful and disrespectful to the people who live there.
Let's hear you all tell us how much better that is.

Unfortunately while it's a bad option it's the only option at this point.

The most practical option that would be best for everybody would be for Gaza to surrender, I'm asked to be arrested or disbanded and driven out, and for Palestine to abandon its desire to kill all Jews from the river to the sea. Then I prosperity plan could be put into place allowing more and more control over the Palestinian area over time and the world could focus on what's necessary to make Palestine Thrive again rather than it focusing on rearing itself for the next conflict

But that doesn't seem to be something they're interested in.

So, in the absence of that option if we're going to stop unjustified terrorism then unfortunately complete subjugation of the area is going to be required.

Throughout history countries have had this decision to make when they lost a war that they started. Japan surrendered before it got to that point and now they are a happy prosperous nation and have been for quite some time. Other nations have made different decisions and done less well

It is obvious to everyone that palestine cannot win this war but they refused to surrender. That's their choice, if they want to reenact Masada on a slightly larger scale That is a decision they can make, But make no mistake it is their decision.

So, Israel and the rest of the world will have to live with the choices and options that are left to them

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

How do you expect it to address the 'humanitarian crisis'? Let the UN take over again? The UN's own reports show almost 90% of the aid they attempted to deliver never got to its destination.

And how are you judging the term 'surgical operations'? They're not carpet bombing the place like the Allies did in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. They're not dropping cluster bombs or napalm. They haven't parked hundreds of artillery pieces wheel to wheel like the Russians did when firing into the city of Grozny.  They aren't bombing indiscriminately like the Turks are in Kurdish cities. They're not dragging women and old men out into square to shoot them like the Syrians did to the Druze. They're actually telling people ahead of time about where they intend to operate so civilans can clear out. Of course, Hamas often shoots the civilians trying to clear out because it likes having them as shields, and every death is another accusation against Israel.

I just think at this point, approaching 60,000 Gazan dead, we can safely say that too much carnage and destruction has taken place unaccountably.  Too many deaths near aid stations.  Yes I know we’re told that Hamas uses civilians as human shields, locates themselves near hospitals and aid stations, etc., but the accounts on the ground of starvation from third parties and the sheer number of deaths is reason for concern and outside involvement.  I don’t think Israel is trying not to be surgical, but the outcomes aren’t a good look.  Israel certainly has a right to exist and defend itself.  Let’s not forget how much that part of the world has had to be managed internationally to prevent bloodshed in the past.  Basically don’t give Hamas ammunition for its cause.  

Edited August 5, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That was your microwave and it's not your therapist OR your friend. 

Nope, the only thing my microwave ever says is beep beep beep,  hmmmm and Ding!

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope, the only thing my microwave ever says is beep beep beep,  hmmmm and Ding!

Sure kid  

[WestCanMan]

38 minutes ago, herbie said:

Well the plan for Israel to simply take Gaza is far more distasteful and disrespectful to the people who live there.
Let's hear you all tell us how much better that is.

The plan to allow Gazans to keep Gaza isn't working. Neither for them nor Israel, and no one else matters.

All of the muslim countries hate Gazans. No one wants them. That's the biggest obstace.

Canada is literally the only country on earth that's stupid enough to take them. 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Unfortunately while it's a bad option it's the only option at this point.

The most practical option that would be best for everybody would be for Gaza to surrender, I'm asked to be arrested or disbanded and driven out, and for Palestine to abandon its desire to kill all Jews from the river to the sea. Then I prosperity plan could be put into place allowing more and more control over the Palestinian area over time and the world could focus on what's necessary to make Palestine Thrive again rather than it focusing on rearing itself for the next conflict

But that doesn't seem to be something they're interested in.

So, in the absence of that option if we're going to stop unjustified terrorism then unfortunately complete subjugation of the area is going to be required.

Throughout history countries have had this decision to make when they lost a war that they started. Japan surrendered before it got to that point and now they are a happy prosperous nation and have been for quite some time. Other nations have made different decisions and done less well

It is obvious to everyone that palestine cannot win this war but they refused to surrender. That's their choice, if they want to reenact Masada on a slightly larger scale That is a decision they can make, But make no mistake it is their decision.

So, Israel and the rest of the world will have to live with the choices and options that are left to them

But the West Bank is doing okay.  There’s nowhere to relocate the Gazans, unless the surrounding counties agree to take them.  It’s too bad Israel couldn’t just buy land in these countries and do land swaps.  The deal could be that Gazans get title to new homes, property, and citizenship in their new countries, but would it fly to tell them they can’t come back?  That’s the problem. There will be radicals willing to die to keep their homeland, which has largely been reduced to rubble. Israel and Gaza appear to be stuck with each other.  

Edited August 5, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But the West Bank is doing okay.

Sure it's a veritable land of rainbows and unicorns.  LMAO!

 

[User]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Well the plan for Israel to simply take Gaza is far more distasteful and disrespectful to the people who live there.
Let's hear you all tell us how much better that is.

Why doesn't Canada send its military there to occupy and ensure a peaceful state, as they are promoting?

 

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, User said:

Why doesn't Canada send its military there to occupy and ensure a peaceful state, as they are promoting?

We'll have to one day - as we should given our hand in creating such a mess.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

But the West Bank is doing okay.  There’s nowhere to relocate the Gazans, unless the surrounding counties agree to take them.  It’s too bad Israel couldn’t just buy land in these countries and do land swaps.  The deal could be that Gazans get title to new homes, property, and citizenship in their new countries, but would it fly to tell them they can’t come back?  That’s the problem. There will be radicals willing to die to keep their homeland, which has largely been reduced to rubble. Israel and Gaza appear to be stuck with each other.  

That would be nice but at the end of the day even if they go somewhere else unless they're willing to give up this bloody vendetta against all Jews it's still going to be problematic.

So I suspect what will happen is they will be under occupied under Jewish control for decades to come. The slightest attempt to organize against the change will bring harsh crackdowns.

We can only hope that the day will come when they decide that they would rather have peace and eventually something can be worked out

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

We'll have to one day - as we should given our hand in creating such a mess.

We will never have to go there any day and we shouldn't need to considering we had nothing to do with it.

The current state of affairs is 100% the result of Gaza and Hamas and other Palestinians being unwilling. It's got nothing to do with anyone else. If the Palestinians wanted peace tomorrow, they would have it and they would start building their own prosperity and future. Only thing holding them back is them

But they prefer war so now they're getting starved to death and blown into small bite-sized pieces. Which is exactly what they decided they want