Boycott Auto Companies That Move Production From Canada

[CdnFox]

Just now, paxamericana said:

Oh we know, we just simply don't care what Canada does. We voted in Donny to cast out the economic leeches. 

There's a lot of states screaming about how much they care right now. Considering how his approval rating is tanking and considering how badly the economy is doing if he doesn't do a bit of a turnaround fairly soon he could find himself out of office shortly after the midterms

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Oh we know, we just simply don't care what Canada does. We voted in Donny to cast out the economic leeches. 

We have bought too many US goods and finished products.  We have given away our energy and resources too cheaply to the U.S.  We have spent too many tourist dollars in the U.S.   We have joined US missions like Afghanistan after the U.S. was attacked, the only time NATO article 5 has been invoked.  Canadians are being ripped off.   

[paxamericana]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Canadians are being ripped off.   

Well sure, but that's a self imposed problem. No one forced you to buy expensive cheese. 

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Well sure, but that's a self imposed problem. No one forced you to buy expensive cheese. 

True, the hormone-infused US variant is cheaper.

[herbie]

Hey guys, Americans don't "care" so let's cut off the oil, hydro, uranium, nickel, lumber, potash, copper off and offer it to the rest of the world for a dollar less. See how much they don't care.

While we're at it drop our Chicken Tax on light duty trucks, they won't build them otherwise. I'd buy a truck for me and the dog with a little space behind the seat instead of six doors nine seats and a two foot bed. No built in escalator to get in and out and a pilot car to drive on the roadway.

[Aristides]

The US has imposed  a 25% chicken tax on imported pickups since 1964. We should do the same on US built pickups. Mexican built ones are OK.

Edited July 17, 2025 by Aristides

[Army Guy]

13 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Just accept your fate, you'll get your new driver license and taxes in the mail as mentioned below by one of your experts. Look we're Americans, we're reasonable people, you can join the picket line to protest your taxes like everyone else. Not sure why you would want to protest lower taxes but its within your prerogative. 

You sound like a reasonable fella, why don't we pay you to police these Canadian terrorist, you can play with all our fancy toys too. 

I am a reasonable fella, but i won't be playing any part any of this, i'm going to sit this one out, i have this t shirt already........I see reality for what it is, and i don't think the US military would be required to take over this country frankly, i don't see Canadians rising up like "red dawn" to stand up to our oppressors'...or whatever form this take over turns out to be..., they might protest, burn a few police cars, do a couple sit ins, block morning traffic, hang a few palestinian flags but to arm themselves and fight....that is a pipe dream for the vast majority of Canadians .....

We are tearing apart this nation by ourselves, and if the current government has it's way we are going to accumulate debt faster than Justin...and while Carney is 10,000 times better for the nation than justin, we are still a divided country with to much that needs fixing....who knows maybe a great reset is what we need...

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, Aristides said:

Canadians have never really needed to be patriotic since WW2. Now that there is a real threat to the country, it will be interesting to see if that changes. 

I don't see trump's action as a threat...rhetoric yes, hollow threats perhaps....but deep down, we have put us in this place, in massive debt, we spend more than we make, everything is or seems broken, and yet this is exactly how Canadians want it....or they would have voted the liberals out...will Carney be able to fix anything....i do hope so...but he has a mountain of sh1t to climb, and no ropes yet...

Canadian don't have the time or energy to track this whole Trump issue, once the tariffs are dealt with good or bad, Canadians will forget, we are starting to see that with buy Canadian, which is fading fast...So will the resentment fade as well i think so...

  

[Army Guy]

5 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

But hypothetically, which city would we need to level Fallujah style? Where would the highest concentration of extremist Canucks be? I'm  thinking America should do this Iraq style but we don't dissolve the army and police force this time. Pay them to do the job they're already doing.

you would not have to level anything, prepositioned troops near major military bases and ottawa, night raids with light infantry forces....when everyone is at home sleeping....game over...follow up troops stream over the border areas with light armoured vehs...Canadians wake up and it's done....besides a few ships at sea, you could decapitate our military fairly easy ....you could have the country in less than 12 hours ....if there is a problem, have a massive show of force, like air force F-15 and A-10....throw some attack helos in for good measure....you could shut down the country pretty fast, with minimum effort...

This is not going to be like Iraq,most Canadian troops are going to remain loyal to the country ( which is more than i can say for the average Canadian showing loyalty to its troops) ....there is always that one guy, but for the most part they won't help unless in saves canadians it would be like asking a US military person to do the same thing... it is not likely, unless it saves Canadian lives....

US does not have a good record at winning hearts and minds, and rebuilding a country after they tear it apart....with one exception Germany and Japan, but since then their record sucks....Canadians are not going to respond well to military marshall law....they will have to take the soft approach, a quick transition from Canadian policies to US ones, more carrot than stick...

As for the greatest extremist located....every province has it share of rednecks...just like the states...give them lots of beer and a welfare check and they should be fine...

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Hey guys, Americans don't "care" so let's cut off the oil, hydro, uranium, nickel, lumber, potash, copper off and offer it to the rest of the world for a dollar less. See how much they don't care.

 

That’s okay, we’ve actually been buying it to keep your uncompetitive industry afloat. But I understand you don’t want American charity. Good on you. 

Edited July 17, 2025 by paxamericana

[paxamericana]

35 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

This is not going to be like Iraq,most Canadian troops are going to remain loyal to the country ( which is more than i can say for the average Canadian showing loyalty to its troops) ....there is always that one guy, but for the most part they won't help unless in saves canadians it would be like asking a US military person to do the same thing... it is not likely, unless it saves Canadian lives....

So the main difference there is that Germany and Japan already had established institutions to run the country. It was just a matter of rebuilding it. Places like Vietnam , Afghanistan and Iraq does not. I really think rebuilding Canada with a new government would work. Yes I will explore this idea.

 

Edited July 17, 2025 by paxamericana

[Boges]

10 hours ago, paxamericana said:

So the main difference there is that Germany and Japan already had established institutions to run the country. It was just a matter of rebuilding it. Places like Vietnam , Afghanistan and Iraq does not. I really think rebuilding Canada with a new government would work. Yes I will explore this idea.

Is this how you see the world? 

In the instances of post WW2 re-construction, Germany and Japan were the imperial powers trying to take over the world and they were fought back and only because the decision was made to treat civilians in those countries like enemy combatants. 

The US retains military presence in both countries to this day. 

In instances where the US have failed to rebuild a nation, they were the imperial power trying to change the institutions within that country. History will dictate that the US was ultimately the bad guy in all those conflicts. As it will, if the US invaded Canada. Because it would only be doing it to pillage Canada's resources, not to free us from oppression. 

[Boges]

To the OP. 

If the Big Three are brow-beaten into moving all automotive production to the US, destroying the Canadian and Mexican industries, that will give China path to dominate the Canadian market. 

China are creating EVs that are cheap, can charge fast and have the features North Americans want. 

Right now it's only tariffs that are keeping them from getting a foothold in Canada. 

[paxamericana]

17 minutes ago, Boges said:

doing it to pillage Canada's resources

No because it would be cheaper just to buy those same resources from the Chinese and Russian like we have been doing in the recent past. If we invaded Canada it would be for one reason only, security. We would occupy your norther territory to defend the Artic which we see as our backyard. 

[Boges]

Just now, paxamericana said:

No because it would be cheaper just to buy those same resources from the Chinese and Russian like we have been doing in the recent past. If we invaded Canada it would be for one reason only, security. We would occupy your norther territory to defend the Artic which we see as our backyard. 

Buying fresh water? 

Canada and the US already have an alliance for Northern Defense. 

And invasion of Canada would be nothing more than old fashioned imperialism. Something the US flatly rejected, at the period of time when they were "Great". 

[paxamericana]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Canada and the US already have an alliance for Northern Defense. 

And invasion of Canada would be nothing more than old fashioned imperialism. Something the US flatly rejected, at the period of time when they were "Great". 

No this is in the event that Canada is controlled by regime hostile to the US. Washington will not allow you to sell a portion of your land to the Chinese as was attempted by them and Greenland. 

Edited July 17, 2025 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

32 minutes ago, Boges said:

Is this how you see the world? 

In the instances of post WW2 re-construction, Germany and Japan were the imperial powers trying to take over the world and they were fought back and only because the decision was made to treat civilians in those countries like enemy combatants. 

The US retains military presence in both countries to this day. 

In instances where the US have failed to rebuild a nation, they were the imperial power trying to change the institutions within that country. History will dictate that the US was ultimately the bad guy in all those conflicts. As it will, if the US invaded Canada. Because it would only be doing it to pillage Canada's resources, not to free us from oppression. 

It would be a Pyrrhic victory for the U.S. to invade Canada, because the result would be the loss of U.S.‘s key military allies, particularly Britain, France, Germany, and Canada; the threat of insurrection at every turn within Canada; likely a worldwide boycott of U.S. goods, consumer and in some cases state-mandated; possibly civil war within the U.S.; and extremely high administrative and military costs for the American people to govern and rule by force a foreign people on the Earth’s second largest country by land mass.

There’s simply zero advantage from a security standpoint because we already have an early warning system in the Arctic.  There’s no real advantage from a resource standpoint because private companies still have to pay workers and buy machinery to mine and USMCA already allows Americans to buy our resources at the same price we pay.

The US already takes advantage of Canada through its cheap access to our resources.

The more the U.S. resorts to threats or coercion, the less Canadians like or want to be involved with the U.S., and the less they buy US goods, travel there, buy properties there, etc.

In fact, Canadians are getting numb to the U.S. tariff threats and starting to give up on the U.S. as a reliable and profitable trading partner, because the U.S. increasingly appears neither reliable nor profitable as an export market.

So Trump should be careful how he leverages US economic and military strength, because if he loses Canada’s goodwill, the costs rise for America. The financial costs may rise for Canada too, but because this was forced upon Canada upon threat of loss of sovereignty, the people will pay the cost and position themselves never to be put in this position again.

13 minutes ago, Boges said:

To the OP. 

If the Big Three are brow-beaten into moving all automotive production to the US, destroying the Canadian and Mexican industries, that will give China path to dominate the Canadian market. 

China are creating EVs that are cheap, can charge fast and have the features North Americans want. 

Right now it's only tariffs that are keeping them from getting a foothold in Canada. 

And why wouldn’t Canada strike a big trade deal with China at that point?   For decades Canada has had the capacity to build its own vehicles, so China doesn’t even have to be part of the equation.

Edited July 17, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So Trump should be careful how he leverages US economic and military strength, because if he loses Canada’s goodwill, the costs rise for America. The financial costs may rise for Canada too, but because this was forced upon Canada upon threat of loss of sovereignty, the people will pay the cost and position themselves never to be put in this position again.

Defence Scheme No.1 was your last hope for a security backed sovereignty. But the British empire no longer exist after WWII. This is the historical difference between our two country. You supported the British empire we chose independence. Canada is just a leftover relic of the 19th century. My prediction is that the integration of Canada into the American empire is almost complete, Canada exist as a sovereign country in name only. We are only one or two generation away from that time when Canada existed an independent British enclave. After you lot die, your sons and daughter will choose statehood. Not because of any love for the US but out of necessity. There is no one else to go to. 

Edited July 17, 2025 by paxamericana

[LinkSoul60]

30 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Defence Scheme No.1 was your last hope for a security backed sovereignty. But the British empire no longer exist after WWII. This is the historical difference between our two country. You supported the British empire we chose independence. Canada is just a leftover relic of the 19th century. My prediction is that the integration of Canada into the American empire is almost complete, Canada exist as a sovereign country in name only. We are only one or two generation away from that time when Canada existed an independent British enclave. After you lot die, your sons and daughter will choose statehood. Not because of any love for the US but out of necessity. There is no one else to go to. 

Your adolescent trolling has become real boring....  Time to change the schtick and find a new act, don't you think.

Will never happen, but try to imagine ~25M pissed off Canadian's who would have the right to your 2nd amendment.  Nothing to do tonight boys, let's go red hat hunting! 😂

[paxamericana]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Time to change the schtick and find a new act, don't you think.

Feel free to like and subscribe. Check for my latest posting. 

[Zeitgeist]

48 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Defence Scheme No.1 was your last hope for a security backed sovereignty. But the British empire no longer exist after WWII. This is the historical difference between our two country. You supported the British empire we chose independence. Canada is just a leftover relic of the 19th century. My prediction is that the integration of Canada into the American empire is almost complete, Canada exist as a sovereign country in name only. We are only one or two generation away from that time when Canada existed an independent British enclave. After you lot die, your sons and daughter will choose statehood. Not because of any love for the US but out of necessity. There is no one else to go to. 

But do you want Canada to be a British enclave in North America or Post-National State?  Canadians won’t accept statehood unless they retain everything they like about Canada and gain other advantages.  It’s absurd to think that Canada could be one US state.  The provinces would never go for it.

The easiest course for both countries is a union of the two countries.  Much duplication would disappear eventually.  There would be some questions to be resolved over time such as whether to adopt the U.S. dollar or tie ours to the U.S. dollar, etc., but we won’t know the answers to some of these questions until we see how such a partnership plays out over time.

Canada is growing quickly.  Already four of our provinces function like good-sized US states.  Even our smallest provinces aren’t much different from Maine or Rhode Island.  Canadians rightly see lumping all these provinces together as one state as a devaluing of the unique historical and geographical contexts of these jurisdictions.  The territories were delicate creations. Nunavut is a native-run jurisdiction.

Most Americans simply don’t understand and/or respect the complexity of these places and peoples.  Canadians figure this out when they travel to the U.S. and are asked strange questions about where they come from.

I agree that there’s some ridiculous duplication of regulations between the provinces, our federal government, and between Canada and the U.S. that should all be eliminated.  It’s expensive.  Ottawa often appears like an out of touch elitist club with golden pensions and costly policies that interfere with provincial jurisdiction.   Sometimes our Feds don’t even get their federal responsibilities right.

I’ve said there are advantages to joining the U.S. if done carefully and willingly by both parties, but most Canadians today don’t want that.  The best agreement both countries can hope for is one that has an opportunity upside for both countries.  If the agreement is perceived as coercive or one-sided, it will be short-lived and further damage the relationship.  

Edited July 17, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

No because it would be cheaper just to buy those same resources from the Chinese and Russian like we have been doing in the recent past. 

You starting to make yourself look stupid. At least your previous arguments had a semblance of possible truthiness to them, this is just dumb. If it were true American cars would already be as advanced as and as cheap as the Chinese products

[paxamericana]

41 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If it were true American cars would already be as advanced as and as cheap as the Chinese products

Tesla, we make them here and also make them in china. They're one of the most advance cars America does produce. It's actually the number one sold car in the world. 

Edited July 17, 2025 by paxamericana

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Most Americans simply don’t understand and/or respect the complexity of these places and peoples.

We also don't care.

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

but most Canadians today don’t want that.

Yes but your generation of Canadian separtist are dying. The younger blood aren't so incline to be apart from the US as obstinately as your generation. You got another 40 years top then you'll croak and your children or grand children will join. 

 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Your adolescent trolling has become real boring....  Time to change the schtick and find a new act, don't you think.

Will never happen, but try to imagine ~25M pissed off Canadian's who would have the right to your 2nd amendment.  Nothing to do tonight boys, let's go red hat hunting! 😂

He's a one trick pony with nothing new to add. Not bothering with him anymore.