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[paxamericana]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

states is going back to be isolationist...like before WW 1

This is a possibility so I can’t rule it out. There is ALWAYS a strain of isolationist sentiment both from the left and right in American society. Though for now that is not the current plan. We’ve learned from both world war that if we leave everyone alone they won’t leave us alone. They always find a way of pulling us back into their quagmire. 

Our national security interest therefore has been to fight the fight on their front door and not ours. That is why we keep overseas bases around the world, especially at all the geographic choke point. Globalism for us was never about the economic benefits, it was to bribe the cannon fodder to be a bulwark between us and the Soviets. That reality has now changed, we don’t have a large enough of a security scare to maintain the alliance structure in its current form.

 So next phase is a friends and family plan that America wants to establish on both coastal ocean. For the Atlantic it will be the UK , the Swedes (especially Greenland). Pacific will be Australia, Newzealand, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Philippines.  

Trump is not wrong with his transactional approach to Geopolitical relations. If I don’t have a vested economic interest in your country why should I protect you? That’s why it is imperative that you Canada sign a trade deal with us if you want to continue under our protection. Because as the Artic ocean warm we see that as a new area of potential conflict. This is the strategic concern. 

[Aristides]

Trump's idea of protection is the same as a mafia don's. Pay for our protection or we'll burn your  house down. Your protection and $4 will get me a coffee.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I would not underestimate what the Canadian military could or could not do...the last time you guys did that we burnt the white house down...Not saying you would not take all your objectives...but there is going to be a cost to all of that....a huge waste of life on both sides...to accomplish what exactly....you don't any of Canada for strategic reasons unless it is for the resources....and most of our resources go to you right now....just wait and you can buy it for penneys on the dollar....with no loss of life...

You would not of needed strategic reasons had the US kept up with its manufacturing sectors, like steel, aluminum, cooper....even trump as said that....not sure i understand any of trumps ideas or what his objectives are in regards to the 51 st state, or tariffs... unless he is trying to make enemies....I will give him credit for pushing us and others into building up our security apparatus, strengthen NATO, made Canada look at all it's warts, and take notes....but he seems to be driving away key allieds which is not good unless the states is going back to be isolationist...like before WW 1...

 

Not to mention the likelihood of ongoing guerrilla warfare and resistance fighters for the next 20 years. Which means first off America has to live in fear and second off it will probably lose a lot of its freedoms as people curtail movement, access to firearms, and start having to have their papers with them at all times.

It wouldn't be a walk in the park

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not to mention the likelihood of ongoing guerrilla warfare and resistance fighters for the next 20 years. Which means first off America has to live in fear and second off it will probably lose a lot of its freedoms as people curtail movement, access to firearms, and start having to have their papers with them at all times.

It wouldn't be a walk in the park

Yup it’s stupid.  There’s no winning a war where the cost is turning friends into enemies and putting your population in constant threat of peril.   It would actually be worse than that, because if the U.S. turned on a close NATO ally, the U.S. would lose or destroy the alliance and put itself in conflict with the West and much of the rest of the world.

A common market for the two countries was the best case scenario, but because of Trump’s coercive approach, Canadians are turned off further integration as they realize that the U.S. can and will turn on allies and break agreements to seek self-interested advantages that aren’t even guaranteed or significant depending on who happens to be president.

It’s like Canada is being told it will be cut out of the family business unless it moves into the family compound where the rules are stifling and the only way to keep your job is to do as you’re told.  That may have been possible when Canada was in its infancy, but the price of an independent adulthood is having to do more for yourself.  That’s why America had a revolution.  Short memory…

My guess is that things will calm down in a couple of years, but opportunities were missed.  The mantra of leadership is relationships, relationships, relationships.   Have America’s relationships improved or worsened?  You know the answer.

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada is being told it will be cut out of the family business

This is my sole purpose on this forum. To help you Canuck understand the consequences of non-cooperation. The days of being non-American beneficiary are over, it’s time to join the family or become fourth world. 
 

And make no mistake, if another country ever steps foot in the Artic, you best believe we’ll be sending troops up north. 
 

Edited July 13, 2025 by paxamericana

[paxamericana]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not to mention the likelihood of ongoing guerrilla warfare and resistance fighters for the next 20 years.

You don’t have 20 years because you didn’t have enough kids. There’s not enough young folks to defend you. Stop daydreaming. There’s no stopping us if we really wanted to conquer Canada. And unlike the Russian and Ukraine, you live on an island, America’s island to be specific. Our weapons are not Russian grade either, it’s world class. No one will come to your aid if America attack because we would have already bribed them not to. So stop fantasizing about putting up any meaningful resistance for your own good. You’ll get your new taxes and drivers licenses in the mail. Feel free to protest.

To beat a dead horse and put a nail in that coffin see attached. For reference there are currently 2 million US military personnel. Our current peace time military is larger than the entire fighting age population of Canada.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/444858/canada-resident-population-by-gender-and-age-group/

Edited July 13, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

This is my sole purpose on this forum. To help you Canuck understand the consequences of non-cooperation.

Dude we're not convinced you understand arithmetic. I think you're a ways off from handling more complex topics like international trade and foreign relations   

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

You don’t have 20 years because you didn’t have enough kids. There’s not enough young folks to defend you.

Oh you'll probably win in the end, but tens of millions of Americans will die and the rest will live in fear and lose their rights. You thought the democrats grabbed a gun rights and such after 9/11? Wait till you get a load of us   

We just have to hold out and not lose. If anything history has proven that Americans will eventually get tired of having their people slaughtered if you kill them fast enough and long enough

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Holy shit.

Okay, so I legitimately read this after my previous post to you where I jokingly said I don't know if you can handle arithmetic

But read what you were Google search says.

It says there's 2.6 million males between 20 and 24.   AND there's 2.2 between 15 and 19

therefore the total for 18 to 24 is..... 1.85 million. 

Soooo...  20 to 24 was 2.6 million.  But... 18 to 24 is is only 1.85. 

Now, i'm going to give you a minute to break out a calculator and maybe call a friend.  And i want you to use that time to work out what the problem is there  

How the hell did you not get that before you posted it?  LOLOLOL!!!

Right off the bat you've demonstrated your not qualified to talk about anything more complex than basic addition and subtraction   

Bottom line is that we've got more than enough men and women to make sure that it's not safe for any man woman or child in America to set foot outside their door or to sleep secure in their bed at night. They'll get tired of that soon enough

 

 

[paxamericana]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

How the hell did you not get that before you posted it?  LOLOLOL!!!

Im glad you took the bait. I want my victims to think they had a chance. 

@CdnFox

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

 

Im glad you took the bait. I want my victims to think they had a chance. 
 

A chance to make you look like a complete twat who can't do math?

Yeah thanks for the opportunity, but you realize you still look like a twat who can't do math right?

Was your point that the American education system is so poor that it will be easy to Outfox you if we need to? Are you trying to say you can't count so therefore it'll be difficult to keep track of all of us?

I mean, as everyone on this board knows I never miss an opportunity to make someone who's being dumb look dumb but you really don't need to make it easy for me    It's really no trouble even when you're not trying  

Side note, is this going the way you wanted? Asking for a friend.

[paxamericana]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Side note, is this going the way you wanted? Asking for a friend.

Of course , weaponized debate with Jedi mind tricks on the lesser minded is one of my favorite pastime. A guilty pleasure you might say. I have no ego to bruise, I only came to preach truth to prideful anti-American Canadian. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Of course , weaponized debate with Jedi mind tricks on the lesser minded is one of my favorite pastime.

You realize you were the lesser-minded in that equation right at the moment  

And to be honest I barely even begun to break out my Jedi Mind Tricks. I was going to but then you came up with that math glitch that made you look dumber than I was going to make you look. To stick with the Jedi metaphor it's like you had your lightsaber accidentally pointed backwards when you turned it on and I never got to swing in   

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

having their people slaughtered if you kill them fast enough and long enough

Or you could sign the orange man free trade deal and stop being a protectionist state. See Trump is a reasonable man compared to the average Canadian who would rather slaughter Americans so they can keep overpaying for cheese. 

Edited July 13, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Or you could sign the orange man free trade deal and stop being a protectionist state. See Trump is a reasonable man compared to the average Canadian.

Orange man hasn't put a free trade deal on the table yet.

And we did sign orange man's last free trade deal, he negotiated the free trade agreement with Canada directly back in his last presidency.

Now he's breaking his word. It seems like orange man's word and America's word isn't worth the paper it's written on. In Canada we do try to make sure that our word is our bond and that it means something. Obviously that's not part of your culture.

So considering that you guys can't keep an agreement that you signed just a couple of years ago I don't know that there's much point in rushing into a new agreement now.

We'll see. But in the long run I think Canada will be stronger as a result of this whereas America will be weaker

[paxamericana]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now he's breaking his word. It seems like orange man's word and America's word isn't worth the paper it's written on

Actually it was only slated to last 6 years from initial launch and meant to be renegotiated. Negotiation is taking place. Canada is hell bent on showing orange man bad however and negotiating in bad faith. 

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Actually it was only slated to last 6 years from initial launch and meant to be renegotiated.

No, that's untrue. Well it is true that every 6 years it's reviewed it's intended to be permanent and While the terms may change over time it stays in force until canceled.

Either party can cancel it of course. But America has not done that.

And the 6 years won't be up until next year. Canada offered to bring it forward and renegotiate now and trump said no.

It really does send a message that America's word is crap. 

 

[herbie]

My leftist suggestion is to nationalize GM, Ford and Stallantis plants in Canada, privatize them immediately to Canadian only shareholders and switch Canada roads and car production to left hand driving Jan 1 2028.

Supply the entore commonwealth, Japan and other countries with left hand drive vehicles in a total open free trade market.

Maybe allow those companies a minority position in exchange for use of the brand names, stamping equipment, etc.
It would take something that drastic to deliver EVs and hybrids that consumers actually want that could fit on European streets, charge at home and carry 4 or 5 people sufficient range for most daily use and be affordable.
 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

My leftist suggestion is to nationalize GM, Ford and Stallantis plants in Canada, privatize them immediately to Canadian only shareholders and switch Canada roads and car production to left hand driving Jan 1 2028.

Supply the entore commonwealth, Japan and other countries with left hand drive vehicles in a total open free trade market.

Maybe allow those companies a minority position in exchange for use of the brand names, stamping equipment, etc.
It would take something that drastic to deliver EVs and hybrids that consumers actually want that could fit on European streets, charge at home and carry 4 or 5 people sufficient range for most daily use and be affordable.
 

Mainland Europe still drives on the right though.   

[Zeitgeist]

9 hours ago, paxamericana said:

This is my sole purpose on this forum. To help you Canuck understand the consequences of non-cooperation. The days of being non-American beneficiary are over, it’s time to join the family or become fourth world. 
 

And make no mistake, if another country ever steps foot in the Artic, you best believe we’ll be sending troops up north. 
 

America has been a beneficiary of our cheap oil, gas, electricity and countless resources   It should really stop   We should refine our own oil and supply our own people with cheap gas   Why are we sending all this business to Texas refineries?  As for the declining US export market, China and India’s growing middle class should be about 10 times the size of America’s.

Canadians are tired of the constant changing of rules in the middle of the game.  Every time Canada and many other countries set to work on dealing with the latest splashy tariff announcement, Don drops another bombshell.  Stock markets drop and big American companies with international business interests freak out. Companies like Nissan could literally go bankrupt because of these foolish games.

Canada is probably better off simply ignoring all of it and focusing on expanding into new markets, including supplying domestic needs and big nation building infrastructure projects.  The Yanks are taxing themselves into oblivion with tariffs and killing their exports and tourism. Maybe it’s best not to broker any kind of deal with the Trump government. Canada would adjust.

We just need enough military expansion to make our 2% contribution (forget the recent bellicose 5% of GDP scam that not even the U.S. will hit).  With the right mix of ships and air power, we can defend our waters and airspace and contribute to NATO missions.

The U.S.‘s own constitution and courts don’t allow it to destroy democracies and impose foreign government. They’ve tried it in places like Iraq where there were actual tyrants and it didn’t end well.  Canadians are too similar to Americans.  With millions of dual citizens, it would be a pretty rough ride for any president to try and invade and occupy Canada.  It would certainly spell the end of American democracy.

 

Edited July 13, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

Look, tariff is a legitimate negotiation tool that the US president has. Orange man want you to agree to his terms and services. Here you all are fantasizing about killing Americans over taxes that we are paying for to buy your goods.

[Army Guy]

10 hours ago, paxamericana said:

This is my sole purpose on this forum. To help you Canuck understand the consequences of non-cooperation. The days of being non-American beneficiary are over, it’s time to join the family or become fourth world. 
 

And make no mistake, if another country ever steps foot in the Artic, you best believe we’ll be sending troops up north. 
 

Not even sure what non cooperation means...

That's not the answer, what i mean that's what ever Canadian knows and understands, it is one of the largest reason we have the military we have now....first one is WHO would ever attack us our geographic location rules out many countries...second the US military would protect us as it is in their best interest so why bother...

What trump is doing right now is the best thing he could do, forcing us to look at our military and upgrade it to the next level... As for sending troops , that is in the security pact between our two nations already, and it works both ways according to the pact. But lets not forget Canada is still a sovereign nation, sending troops without an invitation, is an invasion, an act of war....

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Or you could sign the orange man free trade deal and stop being a protectionist state. See Trump is a reasonable man compared to the average Canadian who would rather slaughter Americans so they can keep overpaying for cheese. 

Have you looked at the free trade deal, if you had you will notice for every Canadian tariff their is a US tariff of equal value...lets not forget Trump promoted the latest free trade agreement between our countries as the best on the planet...And Canadians don't want to slaughter anyone,like i have said before many Canadians have family living in the US...

As for cheese i don't understand why we love to pay more for our dairy, it is a cartel thats is making millions off of Canadian, that somehow has convinced Canadians we somehow need this cartel it protects our dairy farmers which is bullshit, it protects those with enough capitol to get into the business thats it.... 

[Army Guy]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not to mention the likelihood of ongoing guerrilla warfare and resistance fighters for the next 20 years. Which means first off America has to live in fear and second off it will probably lose a lot of its freedoms as people curtail movement, access to firearms, and start having to have their papers with them at all times.

It wouldn't be a walk in the park

Sure there will be some resistance, but the last poll to be taken was just over 50 % of Canadians would agree to fight , and only if they agreed with cause, that patriotism everyone talks about is just chest thumping........And with all that being said...i think there are provinces that would cut their own deal and agree to whatever the US was offering.... 

Taking of the country would be the easy part, holding it would involve massive amounts of US troops, people don't do well under occupation...US would have to win the hearts and minds, here in Canada it's money that talks the talk, exchanging our money on a one of one, continuing our pensions, CPP, OAS....not even sure if there is an american equivalent...what would actually change here in Canada,what would actually change under american administration? ... that would be bad...what is it that we would lose ?

[Zeitgeist]

42 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Look, tariff is a legitimate negotiation tool that the US president has. Orange man want you to agree to his terms and services. Here you all are fantasizing about killing Americans over taxes that we are paying for to buy your goods.

I’d never fantasize about that.  I like Americans generally.  People are people.  Plenty of good people and arseholes across the continent.

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

My leftist suggestion is to nationalize GM, Ford and Stallantis plants in Canada, privatize them immediately to Canadian only shareholders and switch Canada roads and car production to left hand driving Jan 1 2028.

Supply the entore commonwealth, Japan and other countries with left hand drive vehicles in a total open free trade market.

Maybe allow those companies a minority position in exchange for use of the brand names, stamping equipment, etc.
It would take something that drastic to deliver EVs and hybrids that consumers actually want that could fit on European streets, charge at home and carry 4 or 5 people sufficient range for most daily use and be affordable.
 

You can't nationalize foreign owned companies...they would just pull production out of Canada....Canada would be left with a huge bill and an empty manufacturing building...left hand drive, WTF....is this jagmeet singh...who is this really...

The commonwealth market is already full of competitors...sounds like a beautiful business plan, i'm visualizing all the accidents 

i drove my 1/2 ton dodge pick up on a lot of european roads, not to mention a M-113 for 5 years and did not have any problems, and europe produces all kinds of full size cars and trucks.... EV sales have drastically fallen over the last couple of years...people don't want EV they want gas guzzling fossil fuel vehicles...not to mention our electrical grid will not support even the 20% mandate the liberals imposed...Bad idea...