Boycott Auto Companies That Move Production From Canada

[Zeitgeist]

17 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Nobody cares what Canada thinks or buy. There’s not enough of you to matter in the first place. Remember, America first and always. 

This is why Trump and the fools like you who think he’s so brilliant have completely blown it: You’ve lost in the court of public opinion around the world, including among conservatives like me.  Trump has succeeded in the international trade sphere of sending the message that the U.S. can’t be trusted and is unreliable.  He’s sent the same message to the markets.  He may be able to use the bogus excuse of national security to impose big tariffs, but he can’t make people buy American products, travel to the US, or magically make power plants overnight and produce power cheaply enough to justify smelters or expensive replacements for parts of the supply chain that benefitted from favourable geography and centres of excellence.

Whereas the U.S. might have brokered a better opportunity for all Americans and Canadians through a common market or perhaps even integration into the U.S., the power-mongering rhetoric and economic bullying has only succeeded in turning even potential supporters into Canadian nationalists.  U.S. exports represent just over a fifth of Canada’s GDP, which is significant but not insurmountable, especially given that the U.S. can’t find cheap replacements for many of our exports.  Meanwhile, Canada is on a unified mission to find new trading partners, refine and consume our own oil and gas, and manufacture more of our own stuff that we used to buy finished from the U.S.

The transition is costly for Canada but worth it under current conditions.  In the long-run the loss will be felt by a U.S. with fewer allies, fewer markets, and less support internationally.  There may be a tipping point, if Trump appears too fascist, when countries go all in on China and simply throw in the towel on any obligations to the U.S., because they’re such a pain to deal with.

Edited July 11, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

An economic recession of those countries will mean an economic recession in the united states. If anything it will make it challenging for trump to leverage and make it more attractive for those countries to seek new trade deals and reduce trade barriers with each other.

At the end of the day though you are correct that the proof is in the pudding and trump will only be able to be judged on the final result. We will have to wait and see. A lot of this stuff really doesn't have an impact for close to half a year after it happens so it's way too soon to be trying to read the tea leaves at this point

[Zeitgeist]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

An economic recession of those countries will mean an economic recession in the united states. If anything it will make it challenging for trump to leverage and make it more attractive for those countries to seek new trade deals and reduce trade barriers with each other.

At the end of the day though you are correct that the proof is in the pudding and trump will only be able to be judged on the final result. We will have to wait and see. A lot of this stuff really doesn't have an impact for close to half a year after it happens so it's way too soon to be trying to read the tea leaves at this point

I found it interesting that China stopped taking the bait and suddenly it was Trump reaching out.  It turns out that American parents don’t want to buy their kids $4000 IPhones.  It’s all very 19th century.  Sure, it’s a nice idea to bring back manufacturing, and I don’t fault Trump for trying to do something to add jobs for Americans, but he’s bringing 19th century tools to 21st century problems, the most concerning of which are automation and AI.  All governments should be actively figuring out how people are going to earn a decent living as work becomes increasingly unnecessary.

Borrowing and tariffs aren’t going to cut it.  We need to start thinking about making the public shareholders of our resources and production.  Otherwise there won’t be enough money in government coffers to pay the universal basic income and that income could be pretty low.  Also, we need to find a way to have a level trade playing field globally without surrendering sovereignty to global governance.  The U.S. is trying to tilt the scales in its own favour, but my guess is that the BRICS will be the long term winners of that strategy.  Canada has to play it very carefully.  Being in bed with the Yanks may no longer be in our long term interest.

Edited July 11, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

figuring out how people are going to earn a decent living as work becomes increasingly unnecessary.

It’s called higher value added work. We’re already doing it , called semiconductor design. There is a push to bring consumer robots into the market. The Jetson age in the flesh. 

 

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

BRICS

Nope. Pure delusional. China and Russia are economically none functional.  Brazil and India only care about their own interests. Nobody wants to trade using each other currency.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I found it interesting that China stopped taking the bait and suddenly it was Trump reaching out.  It turns out that American parents don’t want to buy their kids $4000 IPhones.  It’s all very 19th century.  Sure, it’s a nice idea to bring back manufacturing, and I don’t fault Trump for trying to do something to add jobs for Americans, but he’s bringing 19th century tools to 21st century problems, the most concerning of which are automation and AI.  All governments should be actively figuring out how people are going to earn a decent living as work becomes increasingly unnecessary.

Borrowing and tariffs aren’t going to cut it.  We need to start thinking about making the public shareholders of our resources and production.  Otherwise there won’t be enough money in government coffers to pay the universal basic income and that income could be pretty low.  Also, we need to find a way to have a level trade playing field globally without surrendering sovereignty to global governance.  The U.S. is trying to tilt the scales in its own favour, but my guess is that the BRICS will be the long term winners of that strategy.  Canada has to play it very carefully.  Being in bed with the Yanks may no longer be in our long term interest.

Well we definitely have to stop being lazy and get away from dealing with America. It's always easy to sell to your neighbor, you don't have any transport costs.

But we need to find other markets and it's not like we don't have contacts in those markets. We already do sell to other people we just don't bother to sell them more than we have been.

And I think we need to up our game as far as diversifying into services and such that we can sell abroad as well, and tech development and the like. 

There will be a. Of restructuring and it will be painful but such things happen all the time in the world and we just have to shoulder through it and get serious. We need the energy corridors to be built with electrical lines and pipelines, we may need to look at working a deal with china for cars and other suppliers as well and the American Market if we can find someone willing to make cars here. It'll take some time but it's not like we can't do it

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Nope. Pure delusional. China and Russia are economically none functional.  Brazil and India only care about their own interests. Nobody wants to trade using each other currency.

They both have massive markets that can move more than make up for America. And the fact that they're weak means it's easy to start doing business with them.

But I think there's plenty of others that will be easier to do business with in the short term.

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

It’s called higher value added work. We’re already doing it , called semiconductor design. There is a push to bring consumer robots into the market. The Jetson age in the flesh. 

 

Nope. Pure delusional. China and Russia are economically none functional.  Brazil and India only care about their own interests. Nobody wants to trade using each other currency.

But the US is no longer a reliable and profitable export market, so countries are faced with the necessity of finding non-US export markets and consuming more of their own production.  If this marks an overall reduction of imports to offset trade deficits, the result will be less diverse markets and products for consumers, as well as slower economic growth for developing countries, slowing progress on the human development index. Basically the U.S. shoots everyone in the foot including itself because global growth stalls and export markets shrink.  Supply chain efficiencies are removed.

On the other hand, markets could simply adapt to a world without the U.S.   At least Canada is hitting the population sweet spot of being able to be a good sized market for a wide range of domestic production.  20 years ago that wouldn’t have been the case.   20 years from now Canada will be able to do much more on its own if necessary.

Edited July 11, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

massive markets

No, they are economically not a consumer market. They export, like Canada. India does not export or import. They’re nationalistic and been so for thousands of years.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

No, they are economically not a consumer market. They export, like Canada. India does not export or import. They’re nationalistic and been so for thousands of years.

I'm sorry but you're wrong. Canada had a healthy trade surplus with India until Justin ruined it with his little costume act and we can build it back up again. And there are millions of other markets out there for us to sell our goods to.

Everybody is going to be looking for new trade agreements. Everybody's going to realize America is not stable anymore and they'll be looking to do business with each other and with other people and things will get shaken up. And America will become less and less of an anchor economy and other economic opportunities will emerge.

This has been how it has been throughout history.

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

No, they are economically not a consumer market. They export, like Canada. India does not export or import. They’re nationalistic and been so for thousands of years.

Money goes where it grows. The U.S. is a declining export market.  

[paxamericana]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Everybody is going to be looking for new trade agreements.

Yeah no. Canada will be the first to line up for an American trade deal. There’s no one else to trade with at scale.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Yeah no. Canada will be the first to line up for an American trade deal. There’s no one else to trade with at scale.

It’s all about ROI.  If it ain’t profitable, it ain’t happening. 

[paxamericana]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s all about ROI.  If it ain’t profitable, it ain’t happening. 

It’s more profitable for Alberta and Saskatchewan to secede and apply for statehood. Once that happens , Ontario and Quebec will follow suit.

your own industry is not globally competitive. Welcome to 4th world status or apply for statehood. The question is not whether or not Canada provinces will apply for statehood, it’s when? The choice isn’t even for Canada to decide. It’s actually for the American to even let you in. 

Edited July 11, 2025 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

It’s more profitable for Alberta and Saskatchewan to secede and apply for statehood. Once that happens , Ontario and Quebec will follow suit.

Alberta knows it would become much less powerful once the U.S. federal government gets involved.  Canada has a loose federation.  Justin was very overbearing and interventionist, however, the worst I’ve seen in Canada. I think Alberta is going to get a better deal now.  Alberta does have an important Canadian history that still means something to most Albertans.

Edited July 11, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

It’s more profitable for Alberta and Saskatchewan to secede and apply for statehood. Once that happens , Ontario and Quebec will follow suit.

The U.S. would want to take on Quebec, huh?   I actually find the 51st state rhetoric naive.  Canada is a complicated country culturally.  It’s much more in the U.S. interest to let Canada run itself.  The best scenario for both countries is free access to markets, resources, labour and residency.  You can live and work anywhere but have to play by the local rules.  Over time eliminate as much duplication as possible and the two countries could function largely like a single country with a few exceptions for each jurisdiction that are important to the respective citizens/voters of each.  

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, paxamericana said:

What world did you wake up in that didn't involve American Security umbrellla. How would you sell said material and oil without American naval permission? Canada can't survive without the US don't delude yourself. News flash, there's no one else to buy Canadian raw material. Everyone is aging out, they're not looking to buy a brand new house or car that those material are needed for, we're all deglobalizing. The biggest market is the US.  https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/10/business/canada-tariff-trump

 

As I've said before, first it would start with Alberta and Saskatchewan. Once those two provinces are annexed. The rest of Canada will fade into irrelevance forcing them into a choice of remaining un-annexed and third world or joining the states.  

Look i got family that are US citizens, but you post are nothing more than the usual "america f*ck ya" We don't need US naval permission to sell anything, we do it on a daily basis... We as a nation are working to diverse our exports to many other countries...and if the talks with border states are an indication of anything they are feeling the pinch of trumps actions...

You need all those exports because America is weak in those fields, you don't produce enough to keep America supply chains moving.....So until you do improve those industry Canada will continue to supply those materials and oils to the US....while looking for new countries that can be a reliable trading partners... And just a point in order..."those tariffs are paid for by US consumers" and will continue to pay them until the US gets it's act together and builds up those industries...those tariffs jack up the price which is then paid by us consumers...Now if US consumers stop buying Canadian materials then again the prices will be jacked up due to lack of supply either way you guys end up paying...ever wonder why Canada has not placed any new tariffs on US products....thats why...

The US will always be our biggest customer, for everything , as the we are the US largest customer....but thats due to we share a border,and it is easier to move good back and forth, but don't think it is not possible to move good else where...

Sure annex Canada if thats your goal...but don't think your getting some kind of deal...your democrats are much farther right when in comparison to our conservatives....our nation is almost broke, we as a people are as divided as you can get, it would cost the US trillions to fix everything....and then there is the cold...Not to mention if you did annex us, most Canadians will flee to southern states leaving most of the north empty...imagine no more snow birds....you think mexicans are your problem wait when 40 plus million Canadians flee south...Ya i can hardly wait...having a dollar that is worth a dollar, a military that can defend the continent, no more gun control, having the ability to defend my home and family with a firearm, way less taxes..

Edited July 11, 2025 by Army Guy

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Yeah no. Canada will be the first to line up for an American trade deal. There’s no one else to trade with at scale.

There really is. I'm sure we'll do a deal, why woudln't we? You guys still desperately need our goods so we'll sell them to you, But we'll open up new markets and sell you far less. 

In the past having Canada as a friend and ally and neighbor was like the us having its own treasure chest full of all of the stuff it really needs that it could tap into whenever it wanted to at below market rates. That will soon fade and America will become less important to Canada and the rest of the world.

But I'm sure we'll be willing to sell you whatever we have left over

[paxamericana]

37 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

military that can defend the continent

You and what navy? All it takes is a few fishing boat with Ak-47 to stop Canadian trade to the wider world. You lack the reach. This is before you even consider sanctions. As we did to the Russian.
There are however some discussion amongst the American strategic interests of taking administrative control over the northern territories. This is purely for security reasons and not economic as you outlined above. Though this is a long term goal it would be expensive for the American to pay for the poor Canadian provinces. 
 

So contrary to some of your claims of America needing Canadian goods, it would not be done for economic reasons, purely strategic. 

Edited July 11, 2025 by paxamericana

[Aristides]

25 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

You and what navy? All it takes is a few fishing boat with Ak-47 to stop Canadian trade to the wider world. You lack the reach. This is before you even consider sanctions. As we did to the Russian.
There are however some discussion amongst the American strategic interests of taking administrative control over the northern territories. This is purely for security reasons and not economic as you outlined above. Though this is a long term goal it would be expensive for the American to pay for the poor Canadian provinces. 
 

So contrary to some of your claims of America needing Canadian goods, it would not be done for economic reasons, purely strategic. 

The only country we have ever had to defend ourselves against is yours. Some things don't change.

Trump has taken the US on the road to stagflation. Enjoy.

[Zeitgeist]

40 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

You and what navy? All it takes is a few fishing boat with Ak-47 to stop Canadian trade to the wider world. You lack the reach. This is before you even consider sanctions. As we did to the Russian.
There are however some discussion amongst the American strategic interests of taking administrative control over the northern territories. This is purely for security reasons and not economic as you outlined above. Though this is a long term goal it would be expensive for the American to pay for the poor Canadian provinces. 
 

So contrary to some of your claims of America needing Canadian goods, it would not be done for economic reasons, purely strategic. 

All BS: The US would love to get its hands on our resources, in which we are extremely wealthy.  While Canada’s trade fortunes may shift, the wealth in our land is perhaps the highest per capita of any nation.  America has more to gain from Canada if our populations merge because our natural wealth becomes diluted.  Canada just has to quietly become more independent of the U.S..

Sure the Yanks could do some crazy ass move like invade or attempt to embargo us, but it would violate too many American principles and many Americans would condemn it, as would the rest of the world.  Also invading is not the same as holding.   That takes hundreds of thousands of soldiers in a country our size.  I wonder how morale would be for those troops seen as oppressors by people who look and sound like them.  Get real.  Canada remains in the hands of Canadians.  I actually see the U.S. as a vulnerable power with many potential problems.  Canada could be the safe haven many U.S. states turn to in times of natural or other disaster.  We certainly have ample power, resources, and skills.  We have a very safe and harmonious society relative to most countries.

The smart move for the US is to seek an economic and security partnership that feels like a merger of the two countries without having to deal with the hassles of governing more jurisdictions.  Canada has to make sure that it is independent enough to stand strong if the Yanks pull the plug and change course. People who know Canada’s history know how strong the citizens can be when unified behind a cause.

Edited July 11, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The only country we have ever had to defend ourselves against is yours. Some things don't change.

Trump has taken the US on the road to stagflation. Enjoy.

My advice is to cut a deal with Trump for economic concessions and give him basing rights to the Artic regions. It’s best to not attract attention to Trump as the Europeans have learned and just kiss ass.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

My advice is to cut a deal with Trump for economic concessions and give him basing rights to the Artic regions. It’s best to not attract attention to Trump as the Europeans have learned and just kiss ass.

How have the Europeans kissed ass. How many agreements have they signed? Rather just tell him to f*ck off until he starts showing some respect. 

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

My advice is to cut a deal with Trump for economic concessions and give him basing rights to the Artic regions. It’s best to not attract attention to Trump as the Europeans have learned and just kiss ass.

Or, Canadians could take a much harder stance.  Ford was on the right track.  Let everyone take a hit to make an important point to a bully. Inspire other countries.  At the same time cut a massive trade deal with China that creates joint EV ventures. 

[paxamericana]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

How have the Europeans kissed ass. How many agreements have they signed? Rather just tell him to f*ck off until he starts showing some respect. 

https://youtu.be/2e7_A-bjGWU?si=uQAheETnEh12gIoD

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

The only country we have ever had to defend ourselves against is yours. Some things don't change.

Trump has taken the US on the road to stagflation. Enjoy.

Which reminds me, don't make us burn down your white house again  

 

[Army Guy]

On 7/11/2025 at 3:44 PM, paxamericana said:

You and what navy? All it takes is a few fishing boat with Ak-47 to stop Canadian trade to the wider world. You lack the reach. This is before you even consider sanctions. As we did to the Russian.
There are however some discussion amongst the American strategic interests of taking administrative control over the northern territories. This is purely for security reasons and not economic as you outlined above. Though this is a long term goal it would be expensive for the American to pay for the poor Canadian provinces. 
 

So contrary to some of your claims of America needing Canadian goods, it would not be done for economic reasons, purely strategic. 

I would not underestimate what the Canadian military could or could not do...the last time you guys did that we burnt the white house down...Not saying you would not take all your objectives...but there is going to be a cost to all of that....a huge waste of life on both sides...to accomplish what exactly....you don't any of Canada for strategic reasons unless it is for the resources....and most of our resources go to you right now....just wait and you can buy it for penneys on the dollar....with no loss of life...

You would not of needed strategic reasons had the US kept up with its manufacturing sectors, like steel, aluminum, cooper....even trump as said that....not sure i understand any of trumps ideas or what his objectives are in regards to the 51 st state, or tariffs... unless he is trying to make enemies....I will give him credit for pushing us and others into building up our security apparatus, strengthen NATO, made Canada look at all it's warts, and take notes....but he seems to be driving away key allieds which is not good unless the states is going back to be isolationist...like before WW 1...