Boycott Auto Companies That Move Production From Canada

[herbie]

Te goal is not to ban any cars, it's to ensure Cdn built ones.
Hell, drop the tariff for Chinese EVs assembled in Canada with Cdn sourced batteries.

[paxamericana]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

Te goal is not to ban any cars, it's to ensure Cdn built ones.
Hell, drop the tariff for Chinese EVs assembled in Canada with Cdn sourced batteries.

There is only 4 Canadian per sq km. What is more likely to happen is that you make all Canadian go skiing again. 

Most are in their retirement phase who aren’t looking to buy a vehicle. You don’t have the numbers to support a local car manufacturing supply chain. It wouldn’t be profitable to make and sell just for Canada.

Edited July 15, 2025 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

There is only 4 Canadian per sq km. What is more likely to happen is that you make all Canadian go skiing again. 

Most are in their retirement phase who aren’t looking to buy a vehicle. You don’t have the numbers to support a local car manufacturing supply chain. It wouldn’t be profitable to make and sell just for Canada.

Not really.  Certain groups in Canada are having multiple kids.  The government needs to incentivize having kids big time.  Tax credits, baby bonuses, and a family centred society.  We had that under Harper until Trudeau came along with his rainbow socks and free birth control.

[paxamericana]

50 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Certain groups in Canada are having multiple kids

In what numbers? There isn't enough. The cost of amortizing a production plant takes decades. Meaning it takes generations.

Edited July 15, 2025 by paxamericana

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, paxamericana said:

There is only 4 Canadian per sq km. What is more likely to happen is that you make all Canadian go skiing again. 

Most are in their retirement phase who aren’t looking to buy a vehicle. You don’t have the numbers to support a local car manufacturing supply chain. It wouldn’t be profitable to make and sell just for Canada.

The Canadian new car market is almost 2 million new cars a year. Cars and aircraft are a necessity in Canada because of our low population density. There is certainly no need for us to buy US built cars.

Edited July 15, 2025 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, paxamericana said:

There is only 4 Canadian per sq km. What is more likely to happen is that you make all Canadian go skiing again

Did you know that Canada is America's number one car export country in the world by leaps and bounds?

We made it have more space than we have people, but the people we have drive and America has always depended on that market to keep its own companies afloat in the automotive industry.

Did you think ford and dodge etc made so many cars here because they just really love maple syrup?  

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

In what numbers? There isn't enough. The cost of amortizing a production plant takes decades. Meaning it takes generations.

Yeah but Canada’s population is growing at a faster rate than the U.S. due to higher immigration.  Muslims and Indigenous are making lots of babies.  Catholics are reproducing at about as high as it gets for Western cultures.  The Protestants and many Catholics across the West aren’t having kids and have been brainwashed by false narratives to hate themselves.  They’re literally making themselves extinct.  Much of English and French Canada, the U.S. and Europe have started pretending that the people from less developed countries and more primitive cultures were morally superior even though they murdered and enslaved to similar extents.  A country that stops believing in its traditional cultures has lost its primary purpose.  I agree that Canada has gone down that road, but they learned from the fools at universities across the West, which is why it’s good that Trump has taken on indoctrination centres like Harvard and Columbia. All of our education systems and institutions are rife with self hate for America and formerly “colonial” countries.

Edited July 15, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[herbie]

7 hours ago, paxamericana said:

There is only 4 Canadian per sq km.

Oh jeez Mr Ignorant American strikes again. They made cars in Canada since the 1900s, MOF GM bought the biggest one to get a foothold here. They made 'Just for Canada' cars until the 1980s and the Japanese didn't drive out American cars in the 1970s, they drove out the British ones, then the French ones. And we almost all had TWO cars.
I nowhere mentioned driving out cars and specifically mentioned cars that can be exported.

F*ck I thought Torontoads thought they were the center of the universe but they pale compared to brainwashed Americans. You from one of those states where drivers are so dumb they convinced you RHD was 'dangerous' and banned them?

[paxamericana]

14 minutes ago, herbie said:

I thought Torontoads thought they were the center of the universe but they pale compared to brainwashed Americans.

We have vastly superior food option Stateside. Do Canadian even have tastebuds?

Assuming you still have the consumer base to support vehicle demands, why would Automaker want to make it in Canada when there is a much larger market down South. The Ford and GM truck your most popular vehicles are manufactured stateside with engine component from Windsor with historical ties that are not needed in say EV production. 

 

Edited July 15, 2025 by paxamericana

[Army Guy]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You might know stuff about our military but if you actually read history it's really clear that you're wrong.

Throughout history including recent history including very recent history there are example after example of a weaker nation with a largely untrained populace fighting back and very effectively fighting a gorilla war against an oppressor.

Ukraine was going to fall within a week. Guaranteed, virtually every military commentator said so. No way to avoid it.

Vietnam, France and world war II, Afghanistan twice, the list goes on and on And in fact religion did not play a role in most of them although it certainly played a role in some of them. 

The other interesting thing about history is that Consistently and almost without fail regular military experts severely underestimate the impact of such forces and are shocked and awed when they are suddenly remarkably effective.

Canadians are an exceptionally peaceful and nonviolent people, right up until we're not. Then we are the devil itself. And history shows that a motivated force even if it's quite small is capable of inflicting massive damage. Also shows that America and in fact democracies in general will only put up with bleeding for so long before they have had enough and give up.

 

I'd like to think i was a military history buff, and i have lived through some of it...

Ukraine has a regular force military which is now engaged with Russia, very few civilians took up arms...

Same could be said about Vietnam, Viet cong soldiers were trained/ equipped by the NVA. It was the NVA a regular military force that did most of the fighting...

France the resistance played a small role , helping allied pilots get back to england, blowing up some trains, the allieds played a much larger role in france...

I'll give you Afghanistan, but it cost them hundreds of thousands of people each time....and lets face it Biden lost that war all be himself....by tieing our soldiers hands behind their backs....Taliban was forced to the very edges of the battle field...until the start of the draw down...

Most of these countries had very motivated people to draw upon...like religion, communism, or being poor, we don't have that in Canada, what we have is fat, lazy, entitled people that know nothing about sacrifice or hard times...not that that is a bad thing because we have a very high standards of living...which produces soft people....think any of them could march 30 to 40 kms with a 100 lb plus rucksack, then engage the enemy ....without any of the sensors, weapons, armored vehs, arty,  helos....and do that battle after battle...your asking a lot of Untrained Canadians....

Not sure you seem to think that Canadians have this massive warrior sprite in them, they are as soft as you can get, most have NO small arms training, firecrackers are the largest explosive they've handled, NO training in heavy weapons' just to be able to move shoot and communicate on the battlefield takes years of training to become good at it...

There is not one Ukrainian unit out there that has any original members, they have been killed or wounded long ago....and these guys are trained and have been fighting for years now...give some green horn Canadian citizen a rifle and point him in the direction of the battle field he'll be dead within minutes of arrival...American military has a huge amount of combat vets, that are very aware of what they are doing...

....and then there is the point of, Canadians  don't even like the warriors they have now...Maybe if a bunch of military guys got together and trained them they could pull off simple tasks like patrolling maybe do some ambush stuff...and if they lived long enough might be somewhat effective...but there is a lot more than just pulling a trigger, and hiding behind a tree for cover...going against a well trained military force with all the gear....your going to die quickly...

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I'd like to think i was a military history buff, and i have lived through some of it...

Ukraine has a regular force military which is now engaged with Russia, very few civilians took up arms...

Same could be said about Vietnam, Viet cong soldiers were trained/ equipped by the NVA. It was the NVA a regular military force that did most of the fighting...

France the resistance played a small role , helping allied pilots get back to england, blowing up some trains, the allieds played a much larger role in france...

I'll give you Afghanistan, but it cost them hundreds of thousands of people each time....and lets face it Biden lost that war all be himself....by tieing our soldiers hands behind their backs....Taliban was forced to the very edges of the battle field...until the start of the draw down...

Most of these countries had very motivated people to draw upon...like religion, communism, or being poor, we don't have that in Canada, what we have is fat, lazy, entitled people that know nothing about sacrifice or hard times...not that that is a bad thing because we have a very high standards of living...which produces soft people....think any of them could march 30 to 40 kms with a 100 lb plus rucksack, then engage the enemy ....without any of the sensors, weapons, armored vehs, arty,  helos....and do that battle after battle...your asking a lot of Untrained Canadians....

Not sure you seem to think that Canadians have this massive warrior sprite in them, they are as soft as you can get, most have NO small arms training, firecrackers are the largest explosive they've handled, NO training in heavy weapons' just to be able to move shoot and communicate on the battlefield takes years of training to become good at it...

There is not one Ukrainian unit out there that has any original members, they have been killed or wounded long ago....and these guys are trained and have been fighting for years now...give some green horn Canadian citizen a rifle and point him in the direction of the battle field he'll be dead within minutes of arrival...American military has a huge amount of combat vets, that are very aware of what they are doing...

....and then there is the point of, Canadians  don't even like the warriors they have now...Maybe if a bunch of military guys got together and trained them they could pull off simple tasks like patrolling maybe do some ambush stuff...and if they lived long enough might be somewhat effective...but there is a lot more than just pulling a trigger, and hiding behind a tree for cover...going against a well trained military force with all the gear....your going to die quickly...

 

So your claim is there are no volunteers in Ukraine? All of its forces were professional soldiers when the conflict started?

And I absolutely guarantee you that Canadians will be motivated. Just as they always have been with threatened or when they have felt they need to go to war.

And history shows that Canadians have a warrior sprite in them. We are the nicest kindest gentlest people on the earth, right up to the point where we're not. But again and again and again throughout our history when we have been forced to fight we fight like hell.

Not to mention a lot of the immigrants we've been bringing in for the last 40 years come from cultures that also have a tradition of violence and combat.

 

You seem to believe that Canadians are all losers living in their mother's basements who would never raise so much as a finger to defend their country. 

You're wrong. And that's the end of that. We always have and we always will

[herbie]

I see our Yankee troll has now usurped CdnFox as Contrarian #1on the site. Can't address an issue and replies with mockery as offensive to Canadians as the fat a$$ lout in the White House.
Do they address you as Gringo if you travel south Mr Poxy? And you wonder why?

And Army guy don't confuse the fact we don't tongue bather the flag and hold our hands over our hearts chanting daily with that we won't or don't stand up for our country when it is necessary. No one wants shit to come to that, but we all will.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

So your claim is there are no volunteers in Ukraine? All of its forces were professional soldiers when the conflict started?

And I absolutely guarantee you that Canadians will be motivated. Just as they always have been with threatened or when they have felt they need to go to war.

And history shows that Canadians have a warrior sprite in them. We are the nicest kindest gentlest people on the earth, right up to the point where we're not. But again and again and again throughout our history when we have been forced to fight we fight like hell.

Not to mention a lot of the immigrants we've been bringing in for the last 40 years come from cultures that also have a tradition of violence and combat.

 

You seem to believe that Canadians are all losers living in their mother's basements who would never raise so much as a finger to defend their country. 

You're wrong. And that's the end of that. We always have and we always will

Lots of volunteers, most of which joined a regular force ukrainian unit, lets not forget ukraine had a massive army well compared to ours it was massive...

I hope your right, but according to the polls just over 50% of Canadians would fight for Canada, IF they agreed with reason....Thats not the result you said it would be....

Yes Canadians used to have a warrior sprite, Canadians of yester year...when Canadians were hard, today i'm sorry i don't see it....and those that are hard enough are the minority....

What i believe and know is this, Canadians don't give a rats ass about the military they have now, what makes you think they are going to flock to the flag once the American take over....second there are already polls out there that state just over 50 % of Canadians would take up arms "if" they agreed with the reason, Thats patriotic if i do say so....and out of those 50 % only 1/2 of them will be fit enough to do the training.....you've already lost almost 50 % of the fighting age men and women...those other Canadians are more worried about pronouns, gender types, DEI, and finally your talking about the average joe Canadian with no experience, no training going to war with a very well trained , the best equipped military on the planet...Those Canadian men and women will not stand a chance....

i mean lets have a reality check at this point....after the first rounds go down range they will be KIA....laid out in some field for the family to identify and bury....Having bravado or being gung ho is a start,it gets you to basic training...nothing more.... the Average Canadian today does not have that....those that do are already in the military...or some other security apparatus department...

IF and i say a big if this ever became reality, this would be over before the average Canadian woke up the next morning...once the large military bases are taken, and then parliament it is game over...most will find out what is happening on CBC....and if it there is not a lot of blood spilt during those early assaults'....which why would there be...it would happen so fast....They would have control, of everything our government , our military, and police, our money, even hockey and the beer store....getting that running quickly would be the tricky part....but once the cheques and money started flowing , it would be a normal day....

what Canadian values or culture would be worth losing your life over....i get it our security forces have a job to do, and they will try but fail in quick order, but the average Canadian joe....what would worth throwing everything he has out the window, because he does not like trump... Or one could ask yourself what american values, or policies are worth dying over  

you make it sound like after trumps victory speech Canadians will take to the streets...but when they see all this american equipment pouring into their towns and cities they will shrug their shoulders and wait to see what is going to happen next....and within weeks everything will return to normal , Canadians will learn to sing the star spangled banner, figure out American money. and learn how to drink weak ass american beer...

Recruitment numbers went up a full 10 % while the Afghanistan conflict was running....not much interest from Canadians...in either joining, funding or supporting our own military....hard to get excited about motivating people to fight when they are not interested in defending themselves...at least from my point of view...

  

 

[Army Guy]

47 minutes ago, herbie said:

I see our Yankee troll has now usurped CdnFox as Contrarian #1on the site. Can't address an issue and replies with mockery as offensive to Canadians as the fat a$$ lout in the White House.
Do they address you as Gringo if you travel south Mr Poxy? And you wonder why?

And Army guy don't confuse the fact we don't tongue bather the flag and hold our hands over our hearts chanting daily with that we won't or don't stand up for our country when it is necessary. No one wants shit to come to that, but we all will.

And if this was 20 years or so ago i would say F*ck ya Canada, but today there is not much patriotism in Canada.....only half the nation has said they would stand up for the nation and fight if they had to , the other 47 % said hard no....and joining a regular army unit is one thing... where you get training and everything else....but grabbing you hunting rifle and taking on one of the largest military's in the world is a whole different ball of turd......were talking about balls the size of watermelons....not a common trait in todays Canadians...and herbie your fighting days are well past your due date....

[CdnFox]

Just now, Army Guy said:

Lots of volunteers,

Well that's not possible, it takes at least a year or two to train people like that so there's no way they could have been fighting

You're just wrong. I'm just getting clear that it bothers you the idea that Canadians would stand up and fight

The history of resistance fighting a gorilla warfare is extensive and the history of Canadians fighting back with a threatened is also extensive

Guys like you were saying Ukraine would fall at three or four days and there was nothing that could be done.

I think you need to read a little more history before you call yourself a military history buff.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well that's not possible, it takes at least a year or two to train people like that so there's no way they could have been fighting

You're just wrong. I'm just getting clear that it bothers you the idea that Canadians would stand up and fight

The history of resistance fighting a gorilla warfare is extensive and the history of Canadians fighting back with a threatened is also extensive

Guys like you were saying Ukraine would fall at three or four days and there was nothing that could be done.

I think you need to read a little more history before you call yourself a military history buff.

Ukraine had a large standing military before the war....once the war broke out there was a lot of volunteers that would be  trained by the regular army of Ukraine...

Does not bother me at all that the majority of Canadians would not stand up and fight, .......why would they, if we are to judge the country by our recent history we are no interested in our military, most canadians have already used the excuses of there is no need for a military, our only threat would be the US, and we could not possibly equip or contest the US military, so why bother...sounds pretty defeatist to me...somehow you think fighting the Americans would be some romantic movie with a good ending, not trying to burst your bubble but we do need to look at reality.... ... ....nothing else points to Canadians would defend themselves from US forces... it would be over fairly quickly for our military...US forces would have captured all the high points in the first 12 hours or more.....with the military and government out of the way....your pinning all your hopes on some untrained freedom fighters....with no equipment....ya sounds promising to me....maybe you can tell us how these freedom fighters are going to liberate us...

And lets say your correct that some Canadians decide to defend the nation with shotguns and hunting rifles...my largest point is this they would be slaughtered....If Afghanistan proved anything superior fire power is able to kill hundreds of thousands of terrorist....we are not that motivated as a people.... That's what would happen to your freedom fighters.... 

Yes gorilla warfare history is extensive....but not here in Canada, our people and culture are not the same it is not a apple to apple comparison...The majority of Canadians today are way to soft....Soft people don't win conflicts....hard people win conflicts...Those hard Canadians that fought in any major conflict are long gone...

Ukraine did surprise the entire globe with it's early military adventures....but let's face the facts without western military equipment and Ammo Ukraine would have ceased to exist long ago.... Taking nothing away from it's soldiers, because those guys are hard as rock....but they did not have the industry to produce Ammo or equipment needed for this prolong fight...and still don't.... 

I don't have to be a history buff, to understand that your movie script is written for another country....

[CdnFox]

Just now, Army Guy said:

Ukraine had a large standing military before the war....once the war broke out there was a lot of volunteers that would be  trained by the regular army of Ukraine...

Does not bother me at all that the majority of Canadians would not stand up and fight, .......why would they, if we are to judge the country by our recent history we are no interested in our military, most canadians have already used the excuses of there is no need for a military, our only threat would be the US, and we could not possibly equip or contest the US military, so why bother...sounds pretty defeatist to me...somehow you think fighting the Americans would be some romantic movie with a good ending, not trying to burst your bubble but we do need to look at reality.... ... ....nothing else points to Canadians would defend themselves from US forces... it would be over fairly quickly for our military...US forces would have captured all the high points in the first 12 hours or more.....with the military and government out of the way....your pinning all your hopes on some untrained freedom fighters....with no equipment....ya sounds promising to me....maybe you can tell us how these freedom fighters are going to liberate us...

And lets say your correct that some Canadians decide to defend the nation with shotguns and hunting rifles...my largest point is this they would be slaughtered....If Afghanistan proved anything superior fire power is able to kill hundreds of thousands of terrorist....we are not that motivated as a people.... That's what would happen to your freedom fighters.... 

Yes gorilla warfare history is extensive....but not here in Canada, our people and culture are not the same it is not a apple to apple comparison...The majority of Canadians today are way to soft....Soft people don't win conflicts....hard people win conflicts...Those hard Canadians that fought in any major conflict are long gone...

Ukraine did surprise the entire globe with it's early military adventures....but let's face the facts without western military equipment and Ammo Ukraine would have ceased to exist long ago.... Taking nothing away from it's soldiers, because those guys are hard as rock....but they did not have the industry to produce Ammo or equipment needed for this prolong fight...and still don't.... 

I don't have to be a history buff, to understand that your movie script is written for another country....

Sure. 

[paxamericana]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure. 

Just accept your fate, you'll get your new driver license and taxes in the mail as mentioned below by one of your experts. Look we're Americans, we're reasonable people, you can join the picket line to protest your taxes like everyone else. Not sure why you would want to protest lower taxes but its within your prerogative. 

9 hours ago, Army Guy said:

nothing else points to Canadians would defend themselves from US forces

You sound like a reasonable fella, why don't we pay you to police these Canadian terrorist, you can play with all our fancy toys too. 

Edited July 16, 2025 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

Just accept your fate, you'll get your new driver license and taxes in the mail as mentioned below by one of your experts. Look we're Americans, we're reasonable people, you can join the picket line to protest your taxes like everyone else. Not sure why you would want to protest lower taxes but its within your prerogative. 

You sound like a reasonable fella, why don't we pay you to police these Canadian terrorist, you can play with all our fancy toys too. 

Pierre Berton must be turning in his grave.  Canada isn’t some dime store prize or playground.  It’s a massive, complicated mix of cultures that defines itself in great part by not being American.  Sure, run your tanks through Toronto and have paratroopers land on Parliament Hill, you’ll still have to govern the place and that government will have to be accountable to the people who live here. It’s not just about Canada not being able to put up a physical resistance to the US military.  Obviously that’s no contest — though there’s enough gear to make a bad mess for America on both sides of the border.  The trouble is that Canada will simply reemerge as Canada. Are you going to ban Canadian flags?  Ban French?  Start telling the 80% native population of the territories to forget the systems of local government and federal agreements?  Is the U.S. suddenly going to have the capacity to run these complex national agencies and departments to administer EI, collect revenue, maintain roads, etc?  Will they import millions of Americans to run it all?  Who will pay for it all?  Obviously it will all have to be run locally and the lower 48 and Alaska will still want a market in Canada for their goods, which means the people living in Canada formerly known as Canadians will need to have a strong economy and money.  Invading Canada is one of the stupidest ideas I’ve heard.

If America wants to incorporate Canada into itself, the wisest move is to unify the countries into a common market or North American Union.  Right now there’s little appetite for integration in Canada due to the economic coercion and talk of 51st state from Trump.  It’s that simple.  You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.  

Edited July 16, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[Aristides]

14 hours ago, Army Guy said:

And if this was 20 years or so ago i would say F*ck ya Canada, but today there is not much patriotism in Canada.....only half the nation has said they would stand up for the nation and fight if they had to , the other 47 % said hard no....and joining a regular army unit is one thing... where you get training and everything else....but grabbing you hunting rifle and taking on one of the largest military's in the world is a whole different ball of turd......were talking about balls the size of watermelons....not a common trait in todays Canadians...and herbie your fighting days are well past your due date....

Canadians have never really needed to be patriotic since WW2. Now that there is a real threat to the country, it will be interesting to see if that changes. 

[paxamericana]

34 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s that simple.  You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.  

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think that the vinegar has to come before the honey. It usually works better that way. Besides, as you all have clearly demonstrated you're allergic to honey. 

Edited July 16, 2025 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, paxamericana said:

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think that the vinegar has to come before the honey. It usually works better that way. Besides, as you all have clearly demonstrated you're allergic to honey. 

Nice.  I genuinely think Trump has missed the boat here.  He’ll get his tariffs and I actually don’t think Canada should make a deal under duress.  Let Trump add 35% tariffs and we can reciprocate and he can double them to 70%.  Do it all publicly and unapologetically.  Canada shouldn’t be dealing with extortionists.  We should just redirect our production and if we can’t redirect it all, do something else with countries that are doing fair trade, build infrastructure, join other economic alliances, cancel all military procurements from the U.S., etc..

Britain has proven itself to be a weak sucker for its “special relationship” with the U.S.   It got a bad deal from the U.S. and thinks it’s winning.  I’m thinking it’s time to consider major deals with India and China.  Let the U.S. stomp its feet like 18th century Britain.  

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Do it all publicly and unapologetically.  Canada shouldn’t be dealing with extortionists.

Well, Canada would quickly enter into economic recession. There is no free lunch. You can choose between keeping your head held high or keeping your heater on. These are the hands you're dealt. 

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Well, Canada would quickly enter into economic recession. There is no free lunch. You can choose between keeping your head held high or keeping your heater on. These are the hands you're dealt. 

Good.  I imagine many US companies that rely on affordable aluminum and countless other resources would feel the pinch.  We have much more cheap energy than the U.S.   We have greenhouses.  We have all we need and for the rest there’s Europe, S America, Asia, Africa.  Let Trump stoke anger here.  Cancel all travel to the U.S.   Sell all vacation properties in the Southern US.  Turn to Cuba, the Carribean, Central America….

Obviously these are radical moves that are less desirable and that we shouldn’t have to take, but we should be prepared to take them if necessary.  I can promise you that if we go down this road, there will be much more Canadian independence and a much worse relationship with the U.S..   The people who’ve been thrown out of work because of the US tariffs are waiting for public solidarity.  

[paxamericana]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Obviously these are radical moves that are less desirable and that we shouldn’t have to take, but we should be prepared to take them if necessary.  I can promise you that if we go down this road, there will be much more Canadian independence and a much worse relationship with the U.S..   The people who’ve been thrown out of work because of the US tariffs are waiting for public solidarity.  

Oh we know, we just simply don't care what Canada does. We voted in Donny to cast out the economic leeches.