CouchPotato Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 (edited) deleted. Edited March 4 by CouchPotato Made another thread for it Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 (edited) Yup, here we go. Trump put 25% across the board on us except energy, which he knows he needs. Canada should increase or put on a export tax on all energy to the US. to at least 25%...hit em where it will really hurt. Our "tariffs" are really a pittance and only hurt a few exporters and manufacturers in Canada. What exactly are our Canadian tariffs on American imports? What products??? I hope it is not on products we really need, like fruits and vegetables. Edited March 4 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
PIK Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Yup, here we go. Trump put 25% across the board on us except energy, which he knows he needs. Canada should increase or put on a export tax on all energy to the US. to at least 25%...hit em where it will really hurt. Our "tariffs" are really a pittance and only hurt a few exporters and manufacturers in Canada. What exactly are our Canadian tariffs on American imports? What products??? I hope it is not on products we really need, like fruits and vegetables. Unfortunately we can't trust Alberta or Quebec, to join the fight to support the country. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ExFlyer Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 minute ago, PIK said: Unfortunately we can't trust Alberta or Quebec, to join the fight to support the country. When could we ever have trusted Quebec? Let alone Alberta. Thing is, the feds do have the power to initiate an export tariffs. This is a tariff on all or designated exports. Quebec and Alberta can contest it but, it can happen. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Moonbox Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: What exactly are our Canadian tariffs on American imports? What products??? I hope it is not on products we really need, like fruits and vegetables. If it's smart, it will just be targeted to hurt specifically Republican areas, on goods that are easily replaceable. Nobody needs Bourbon or JD, for example. I think we're probably limited in what damage we can do with our own tariffs. The greater impact on Americans will be consumer prices as all of their inputs from Canada become substantially more expensive. Meanwhile, much of what Canada actually trades is raw materials, which trade openly on the global markets and only need proper export channels. If nothing else, hopefully this encourages Canada to diversify its export markets and trading relationships. 3 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
ExFlyer Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: If it's smart, it will just be targeted to hurt specifically Republican areas, on goods that are easily replaceable. Nobody needs Bourbon or JD, for example. I think we're probably limited in what damage we can do with our own tariffs. The greater impact on Americans will be consumer prices as all of their inputs from Canada become substantially more expensive. Meanwhile, much of what Canada actually trades is raw materials, which trade openly on the global markets and only need proper export channels. If nothing else, hopefully this encourages Canada to diversify its export markets and trading relationships. If we were smart, we would not put an import tariff on things we need, like food. There was never a need to search for export markets because the US was buying all we had (or almost all we had). Yes, time to search now and the result of that is the Americans that used to rely on us will have to got hunting for new places to get their goods. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
herbie Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 12 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: There was never a need to search for export markets because the US was buying all we had (or almost all we had). Exactly. Maybe those $8 handfuls of raspberrys going up to $10 will reboot our own production again. Can't believe a handful costs more than we earned picking them in a day! 2 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 There’s no need for another Tesla to be sold here while this attack on us continues. 2 Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 9 hours ago, PIK said: Unfortunately we can't trust Alberta or Quebec, to join the fight to support the country. Quebec? Quote
eyeball Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 3 hours ago, Moonbox said: I think we're probably limited in what damage we can do with our own tariffs. If there was ever a time for standing back and letting Trump shoot himself in the head this is it. That said, stock markets didn't tank until now because people simply thought tariffs and making everything more expensive for Americans was so stupid it was just Trump being Trump doing his art-of-the-deal shtick. So assuming he's a stable albeit the most Machiavellian genius since Machiavelli, one possible motive for causing pain to Americans is to precipitate a domestic economic crisis that he'll blame Canada for and use it as a pretext for annexing us. The other thing that comes to mind is that Trump is aware of the fact he'll never be the richest man in Earth so instead he's aiming to be the most powerful. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Moonbox Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 17 hours ago, ExFlyer said: If we were smart, we would not put an import tariff on things we need, like food. True enough, and I don't think we will? I hope not? I really like fresh fruit... 17 hours ago, ExFlyer said: There was never a need to search for export markets because the US was buying all we had (or almost all we had). Yes, time to search now and the result of that is the Americans that used to rely on us will have to got hunting for new places to get their goods. The frightening thing here is that even if companies and governments see the need to start spending on new export terminals at ports etc, these would extremely expensive and take years to come online. Worse, however, is that tariffs can be dropped at any time, erasing the need for these investments after costs are sunk. Rough stuff. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Aristides Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 Convert some of those green houses growing pot to vegetables and we wouldn't need nearly as many vegetables from the US. 2 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: True enough, and I don't think we will? I hope not? I really like fresh fruit... The frightening thing here is that even if companies and governments see the need to start spending on new export terminals at ports etc, these would extremely expensive and take years to come online. Worse, however, is that tariffs can be dropped at any time, erasing the need for these investments after costs are sunk. Rough stuff. Here is a list of the tariffs we are imposing (it is long, sorry) From https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/what-u-s-goods-being-hit-with-canadian-retaliatory-tariffs-1.7474300 "Here is a breakdown of what Canada is targeting: A swath of poultry products, including turkey, chicken and eggs. Dairy products, including milk, cream, butter, yogurt, cheeses, ice cream and margarine. Various spices and seasonings, including: vanilla, pepper, cinnamon, nutmeg, thyme, ginger, cumin and others. Fruits and vegetables, including tomatoes, cucumbers, citrus fruits, melons, berries and stone fruits. Coffee and tea. Grain products, including wheat, rye, barley, oats and rice. Cooking oil products, including canola, palm oils, and sunflower oils. Shrimp and prawns. Confectionery products, including flours, sugars, honey, syrups and cocoa products. Pastas. Prepared bakery products, including pizza, pies, cakes and other pastries. Orange juice. Nuts and beans. Condiments including, mustard, ketchup and other tomato sauces, mayonnaise and salad dressings. Soups. Bottled water. Alcohol, including: wine, beer, cider, whiskey, rum, gin, vodka, brandies and tequila. Tobacco, cigarette lighters and vapes. Cosmetics, including perfumes and make-up. Toiletries, including shampoos, toothpaste, deodorant and soaps. Protein powder. Plastic building materials, including: flooring, shutters, blinds and doors. Bathroom appliances and accessories, including: bathtubs, toilet seats, showers and sinks. Suitcases, handbags and other bags. Kitchen and glassware, including, forks, spoons, knives and cups. Tires. Horse saddles and accessories. Various clothing items, including: coats, jackets, suits, shirts, skirts, pants, shorts, dresses, underwear, bras, pyjamas, babywear, sports clothing, socks, scarves, gloves and belts. Lumber and wood products, including: plywood, beams, fibreboard, windows, shingles, flooring, doors and doorframes. Some paper and cardboard products, including: pulp, toilet paper, envelopes, cards and postcards, boxes, bags, food packaging, plates and cups. Table cloths, napkins, handkerchiefs and other facial tissues. Notebooks, binders, folders and other stationery items. Curtains, carpets and other textile floor coverings. Blankets, linens and other bedding. Camping and other outdoor equipment, including tents, tarps, mattresses, rock climbing harnesses, lifejackets and sails. Towels, duster, dish and other cleaning cloths. Shoes, sandals, cleats, rubber boots and other waterproof footwear (including ski boots). Hats, including safety headgear. Jewelry, precious metals and gems. Kitchen appliances, including stoves, microwaves, bread makers, hot plates, toasters, coffee makers and portable stoves. Dishwashers, refrigerators, freezers and laundry machines. Snow plows, snow blowers and lawnmowers. Tools such as saws, wrenches, drills, hammers and screwdrivers. Shaving products, including razors, shaving cream and after shave. Electric hair accessories, including dryers and irons. Motorcycles. Drones. Guns and ammunition. Furniture and mattresses. Lights, lamps, Christmas lights and light fixtures. Arcade games, casino slots and playing cards. Art." Quebec is the largest electricity exporter to the US and they already said they would not cut exports to the US. Edited March 5 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 17 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Quebec? Quebec is the largest electricity exporter to the US and they already said they would not cut exports to the US. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Aristides Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Quebec is the largest electricity exporter to the US and they already said they would not cut exports to the US. I don't think we should be cutting off power exports, just charging them more. There are a lot of Quebec businesses that are also going to get hammered by these tariffs. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: True enough, and I don't think we will? I hope not? I really like fresh fruit... The frightening thing here is that even if companies and governments see the need to start spending on new export terminals at ports etc, these would extremely expensive and take years to come online. Worse, however, is that tariffs can be dropped at any time, erasing the need for these investments after costs are sunk. Rough stuff. History always repeats itself in Canada, this is trump 2.0 and we are still talking about building pipelines terminals and diversifying our trade...and the next President like trump we will still be talking about the same topics....Much like car insurance nobody wants to pay for it, but once you wreck your car your glad you have it... Yes these investments will be expensive, nothing like the pandemic....but they will create jobs and tax revenue, which we need unlike that high speed rail everyone has been going on about.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/2025/03/05/canada-wont-scrap-tariffs-unless-all-us-levies-are-lifted-official-says/ This is the right approach. Let Trump keep digging a hole and don't give an inch until all tariffs removed. Otherwise he can just keep playing stupid games. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Aristides said: I don't think we should be cutting off power exports, just charging them more. There are a lot of Quebec businesses that are also going to get hammered by these tariffs. OK. But the Quebec premier has said he will not. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Moonbox Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: History always repeats itself in Canada, this is trump 2.0 and we are still talking about building pipelines terminals and diversifying our trade...and the next President like trump we will still be talking about the same topics....Much like car insurance nobody wants to pay for it, but once you wreck your car your glad you have it... Yes these investments will be expensive, nothing like the pandemic....but they will create jobs and tax revenue, which we need unlike that high speed rail everyone has been going on about.... True enough. Trudeau came in with a mandate and promise to expand infrastructure and get the debt under control. Instead, he waffled on any hard choices and expanded the public service by...whatever dumb percent it ended up being. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
herbie Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 And Trudeau built THE oil pipeline. Because business decided it wasn't cost effective. Gas pipeline are another story, people don't shit their pants over pipeline leaks and tanker spills on unspoiled coasts and rivers. They did and are being built even if decades late. Now you loathers of 'socialist' govts want the govt to build pipelines? A "conservative" govt? DO you hear yourselves? Do you even remember WTF conservative means? 1 Quote
August1991 Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) Trump is playing English Canadian nationalists. In 1988, Mulroney wanted free trade with Americans. Turner, the federal Liberals claimed that Mulroney would erase the line - make us American. The federal Liberals wanted to impose barriers to trade. ===== Now, the federal Liberals -under Carney- claim that Trump will erase the line - and make us American because of tariffs. The federal Liberals oppose barriers to trade. ===== Is it good to trade with Americans? Or bad? Should we let them buy our water? Edited March 7 by August1991 Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 Tariffs are on....oh wait, they are off....oh wait, they are on again....oh wait, they are off again Oh here we go again, they are on.... Oh wait, off again Methinks even the Trump loyalists are beginning to realize tariffs will hurt them...even trumps uber rich friends LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Doowangle Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 finding alternate suppliers and countries to trade with is all well and good, but it doesn't solve the problem. The United States navy could pretty effortlessly blockade Canada and there is very little that could be done to stop this. So self-sufficiency, at least for a mid-term crisis, is an absolute must Quote
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