Breaking News: Trudeau expected to resign Monday.

[West]

At this point it's irresponsible and an insult to the Canadian people for the NDP to be propping up the Liberal party. 

[West]

8 hours ago, myata said:

By the way another gimmick of the 17th century political system that has very little if not plain nothing to do with democracy in the modern age. Why should a government that has screwed up or is in trouble instead of facing accountability be allowed to throw things up in the air? Does it make any sense, in this age? 

Amazing. We agree on something

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[ironstone]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The fact is, even after the appointment of Poilievre, the basic policies won't change, unless Pierre wants to be a one term Prime Minister. Being PM doesn't mean you can do anything you want. Everything you do has consequences. He will find he is confined to follow the advice of his senior public servants who have seen it all before and have a clear understanding of where the mines are buried. Not listening to the advice of the professionals is what destroyed Trudeau, first on SNC and finally on finance.

He will replace the carbon tax with something worse, the debt will continue to climb because of the cost of Covid, and the American Administration is going to cause severe economic problems for us. The pressure to spend 2% of GDP on NATO will be met with indifference to down right resistance from the electorate. Human rights, - your rights,- (another name for "woke") will still be protected by the constitution. And the Poilievre government will have M. Blanchett as Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition. While Trudeau and Poilievre are all flash and no bang, M. Blanchett will bring a whole new experience to Mr.s Poilievre's life. He will soon be missing those care free days in opposition when nothing you do or say has consequences.

If PP wins, he will have to contend with the Liberal dominated Senate. It's a given that they will do everything they can to stop him, even if he manages to get a huge majority.

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, ironstone said:

If PP wins, he will have to contend with the Liberal dominated Senate. It's a given that they will do everything they can to stop him, even if he manages to get a huge majority.

There's no Liberal party in the Senate. Look it up.

[Politics1990]

offical now   sad day but it needed to be done at this point. time to begin the leadership race personally cheering for carney anand or joly... 

[ironstone]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

There's no Liberal party in the Senate. Look it up.

Most of the people appointed to the Senate by Trudeau have ties to the Liberal party and continue to vote with the Liberals more often than not.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Trudeau resigns. Sad day as he did great during his 4 year first term. His father did plenty of good for Canada as well. I remember the night he was walking in a snowy night and decided to resign too.

I go with Carney. Joly is much prettier but Carney can do better for Liberal party and hopefully prevent a majority conservative government in the summer election as a Liberal budget will be defeated in April and country heads to an election in June.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Most of the people appointed to the Senate by Trudeau have ties to the Liberal party and continue to vote with the Liberals more often than not.

Fair... but over time there will be no shape at all to this bloc.  This was early Trudeau, before Democratic Reform was spurned ....

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The fact is, even after the appointment of Poilievre, the basic policies won't change, unless Pierre wants to be a one term Prime Minister. Being PM doesn't mean you can do anything you want. Everything you do has consequences. He will find he is confined to follow the advice of his senior public servants who have seen it all before and have a clear understanding of where the mines are buried. Not listening to the advice of the professionals is what destroyed Trudeau, first on SNC and finally on finance.

He will replace the carbon tax with something worse, the debt will continue to climb because of the cost of Covid, and the American Administration is going to cause severe economic problems for us. The pressure to spend 2% of GDP on NATO will be met with indifference to down right resistance from the electorate. Human rights, - your rights,- (another name for "woke") will still be protected by the constitution. And the Poilievre government will have M. Blanchett as Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition. While Trudeau and Poilievre are all flash and no bang, M. Blanchett will bring a whole new experience to Mr.s Poilievre's life. He will soon be missing those care free days in opposition when nothing you do or say has consequences.

Pretty much none of that is true.

He will replace the carbon tax with nothing which would be vastly superior. The Dad has nothing to do with covid and even the deficit spending during covid had very little to do with covid. Most of it was on program spending that had nothing to do with covid. The deficit will continue to shrink over time and be eliminated.

Our rights, being the rights of people who are not in a special interest group will likely be reinforced so that we cannot be pressured to use language that we don't want or to celebrate things we don't want or to allow men who claim to be women to participate in sports or go to women's prisons.

There is a reasonable amount of appetite right now to increase military spending and he won't have to wear it if the Americans force it upon us.

There's no doubt Poilievre will have a lot of work to do and it's not going to be an easy road to hoe.  But things will start to get noticeably better And chances are he'll have a minimum of eight years to make things happen before he's seriously challenged again.

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28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Pretty much none of that is true.

He will replace the carbon tax with nothing which would be vastly superior. The Dad has nothing to do with covid and even the deficit spending during covid had very little to do with covid. Most of it was on program spending that had nothing to do with covid. The deficit will continue to shrink over time and be eliminated.

Our rights, being the rights of people who are not in a special interest group will likely be reinforced so that we cannot be pressured to use language that we don't want or to celebrate things we don't want or to allow men who claim to be women to participate in sports or go to women's prisons.

There is a reasonable amount of appetite right now to increase military spending and he won't have to wear it if the Americans force it upon us.

There's no doubt Poilievre will have a lot of work to do and it's not going to be an easy road to hoe.  But things will start to get noticeably better And chances are he'll have a minimum of eight years to make things happen before he's seriously challenged again.

Too bad PP has not revealed anything significant about a platform, and seems content to trash the Liberal Party. The guy has 0 answers to Canada's problems.

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I pray that the Canadian campaign is not affected too much by disinformation created by foreign bad faith actors. Very interesting to see that without disinformation, the Conservatives would not stand a chance. 

Edited January 6 by DUI_Offender

[Dougie93]

there was no greater ally to the rise of right wing populism around the world

than Prime Minister Zoolander, the Emperor with no clothes

I miss him already

[Legato]

3 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

settle down lol he messed up on immigration  and spending.. far from ruining the country lol

which ruined the country

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Too bad PP has not revealed anything significant about a platform, and seems content to trash the Liberal Party.

I would imagine the liberals would agree, they would have wished severely for Poilievre to release his platform before the election. That way they could create one that basically mimicked it. That's why nobody in their right mind ever releases a platform before the election. The liberals haven't and the NDP haven't but I noticed you didn't mention that.

However Poilievre did say his priorities pretty clearly in that interview with peterson and he has done so many times in the past.

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6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I would imagine the liberals would agree, they would have wished severely for Poilievre to release his platform before the election. That way they could create one that basically mimicked it. That's why nobody in their right mind ever releases a platform before the election. The liberals haven't and the NDP haven't but I noticed you didn't mention that.

The Canadian people want to know his platform. Not just "Liberals." I have a feeling that once the CSIS report on foreign interference comes out on January 31, we will get a good indication on how much PP and the Conservatives have been compromised. 

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

However Poilievre did say his priorities pretty clearly in that interview with peterson and he has done so many times in the past.

He said nothing. He blamed Trudeau for everything, and offered no solutions. Even Trump has offered solutions to Americans problems (even though he has no intention on following through on them).

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

I pray that the Canadian campaign is not affected too much by disinformation created by foreign bad faith actors. Very interesting to see that without disinformation, the Conservatives would not stand a chance. 

Disinformation is the biggest overarching issue facing us as a civilization. It should be at the top of the list of issues of an election campaign. We can't possibly solve the real issues we need to deal with when there is so much lack of clear headed thinking.

At least the people of Babel tried to cooperate.

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Disinformation is the biggest overarching issue facing us as a civilization. It should be at the top of the list of issues of an election campaign. We can't possibly solve the real issues we need to deal with when there is so much lack of clear headed thinking.

At least the people of Babel tried to cooperate.

I find it telling that the same people who spread misinformation,, are the same people who want to defund the CBC, and banish the MSM. I never knew how fortunate Canada is to have the CBC, after the attacks on freedom of the press, since Trump announced his candidacy. 

[herbie]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

I pray that the Canadian campaign is not affected too much by disinformation created by foreign bad faith actors. Very interesting to see that without disinformation, the Conservatives would not stand a chance. 

Interesting graph, But I think the level of non-information is the real problem. if the Tories would evolve past their reliance on simple chants and spell out their platform and intents, it would scare away a huge chunk of their support.

😝 BTW called out exactly what would go down didn't I?

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[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Finally some kindness in the public sphere. 💞

[CdnFox]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

The Canadian people want to know his platform.

Of course they do. And they'll hear it in an election as is appropriate. In the meantime they know his policy priorities he's been very clear about it. And they seem satisfied with that if the polls are to be believed

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Not just "Liberals."

Liberals and other opponents are the only ones that think he might possibly be stupid enough to release it before an election  The majority of Canadians understand that platforms are released during an election. Hell, you don't even know what the circumstances are going to be before an election how can you possibly release a platform? If he'd released his platform last January it would have been before trump was elected and threatened 25% tariffs. That changes everything. 

The liberals haven't released their platforms and neither have the NDP. What did you expect

 

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I have a feeling that once the CSIS report on foreign interference comes out on January 31, we will get a good indication on how much PP and the Conservatives have been compromised. 

I think if they release that information without releasing the names of the liberals who have been compromised that it would go very badly for them 🙂 

 

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He said nothing. He blamed Trudeau for everything, and offered no solutions. Even Trump has offered solutions to Americans problems (even though he has no intention on following through on them).

He said a great deal. And he gave a great deal of indication how you would resolve the issues. At the end of the day I know you don't want to believe the truth because you're a left-wing advocate and you are less interested in the truth than you are in the welfare of your tribe.

But people who are less tribal and live outside of an echo chamber watch that and they get a pretty solid idea of where he's coming from and where his priorities are going to be. That was a very timely interview, and it's been reviewed by more than 30 million people so far and counting. 

Napoleon indicates  the confidence in Poilievre's ability to run the country well is strong. He's by far and away the favorite for dealing with trump.

People are comfortable with Polievre being prime minister.  They've had over a year to get used to the idea with the polls saying that's what's going to happen. Changing leaders isn't going to change the party and people's frustration with it. 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Disinformation is the biggest overarching issue facing us as a civilization. It should be at the top of the list of issues of an election campaign.

The election campaign will be eliminating the biggest source of disinflation there is, trudeau and his liberals

[Moonbox]

8 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That is a pretty broad statement without foundation. The team he assembled to fight the worst crisis Canada has faced since 1945 had extraordinary positive results. The economic difficulties we faced as a result, pale in comparison to the mitigation of the potential death toll had the governments not responded as they did.

Your response is equally broad.  Positive results?  Our mortality outcomes were exceptionally good compared to places like the USA, but they didn't come without cost.  Do we pretend the Emergency Act never happened?  Do we ignore that Trudeau was torpedoing public finances long before COVID ever reared its head, and the economic difficulties we face now are exacerbated by his poor judgment and stewardship?

His will be a legacy of failure, cynicism and poor judgement.  

Edited January 7 by Moonbox

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

stop whining harper   did it  lol it's fair game and a tool to use  so suck it up

Does that mean the conservatives can steal billions and give their friends and family our tax dollars would that be fair game....

[eyeball]

20 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

If we had PR, Trudeau would once again lead a minority government with a coalition of Bloc, and NDP and Elizabeth May holding the balance of power

Would that be a good thing? I was certainly never under any illusion he would follow through on his promise to end FPTP.

BTW, unless I'm mistaken you've rarely if ever had much good to say about ending FPTP. Has something changed?