The Proud Canadians.

Zeitgeist · January 26

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

the only claim to these lands is the Treaty of Paris 1763, the basis of all Canadian constitutional law

wherein the French House of Bourbon surrendered Canada to the British House of Hanover as a war prize

Canada is the Confederacy which won the war and lived to tell the tale

doomed to go over the top when the whistle blows in the face of them Yankees

for the Loyalist Lost Cause

Waylon Jennings knows

I know you make the case for Confederation being a kind of reclamation of the Confederacy, but it’s also important to remember that British North America had its own complex history since the beginning of the American Revolution until 1867. I know you’ve also mentioned Confederation being a shotgun wedding due to fears of American expansionism and the Fenians after the Civil War, but also remember the great achievement that Confederation was in terms of creating peace between Protestants and Catholics, anglophones and francophones.

The Canadians of today forget those histories except the anti-colonial Residential School genocidal Canada narrative disseminated by the Post-National Liberals. These people hypocritically claim to represent Canadian values and sovereignty while undermining it through woke messaging in schools and government speeches and policies.

This government has also burdened its population with internationalist projects like ESG and fighting the “climate crisis”, meanwhile expanding government, raising the cost of living, and flooding the country with immigrants from everywhere that isn’t representative of the country’s cultural roots.

How does any of that represent anything Canadian or serve Canadians? It certainly isn’t helping us economically as productivity, birth rates, and incomes lag the U.S.

Basically our government has given us the worst of both worlds: less national independence and lower living standards. Why would I believe that this federal government serves Canada and Canadians more than Washington? At least Washington defends us.

Edited January 26 by Zeitgeist

Dougie93 · January 26

27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I know you make the case for Confederation being a kind of reclamation of the Confederacy, but it’s also important to remember that British North America had its own complex history since the beginning of the American Revolution until 1867. I know you’ve also mentioned Confederation being a shotgun wedding due to fears of American expansionism and the Fenians after the Civil War

it is modelled upon the Iroquois Confederacy

British North America simply kept it slaves in Jamaica

don't forget, Old Bean ;

Marse Robert only invaded the Union in the hopes of drawing the British Empire into the War Between The States

Canada not only sided with the Rebels, Canada took them in as refugees in the wake of the war

Jefferson Davis himself feted as a hero in a tour of HM Dominion of Canada in May of 1865

Canada only Confederating on 1 July 1867 by hysterical panic in the face of an American Papist Fenian invasion

Orange Order of Upper Canada, bulwark against them Yankee republicans

an Ulster Scots German Empire to find a Northwest Passage to the Orient

God Save The King & HM Mohawk Warriors

Dougie93 · January 26

32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

but also remember the great achievement that Confederation was in terms of creating peace between Protestants and Catholics, anglophones and francophones.

the bloody Fenians have gone Woke Progressive

the Pope in Rome kneels with Justin Trudeau

the Whore of Babylon indicts British North America for "Genocide"

this is what comes of Mary worshipping

pardon me, while I nail my protest to the doors of the Westminster Parliament

founded by William III, Prince of Orange, 1 July 1690

Nec Aspera Terrent

Zeitgeist · January 26

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the bloody Fenians have gone Woke Progressive

the Pope in Rome kneels with Justin Trudeau

the Whore of Babylon indicts British North America for "Genocide"

this is what comes of Mary worshipping

pardon me, while I nail my protest to the doors of the Westminster Parliament

founded by William III, Prince of Orange, 1 July 1690

Nec Aspera Terrent

I do wonder about this Pope.

Dougie93 · January 26

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Basically our government has given us the worst of both worlds: less national independence and lower living standards. Why would I believe that this federal government serves Canada and Canadians more than Washington? At least Washington defends us.

the Laurentian Elites are whipping the masses up into a frenzy for war

in order to stave off a revolt against their own corrupt & incompetent rule

like the Family Compact in the War of 1812

culture is destiny

CdnFox · January 26

8 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

I didn't think

Yeah. We know.

herbie · January 26

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Canadians of today forget those histories except the anti-colonial Residential School genocidal Canada narrative disseminated by the Post-National Liberals. These people hypocritically claim to represent Canadian values and sovereignty while undermining it through woke messaging in schools and government speeches and policies.

How does teaching THE TRUTH undermine history or get labelled as "woke"?

Zeitgeist · January 27

5 hours ago, herbie said:

How does teaching THE TRUTH undermine history or get labelled as "woke"?

Because it’s a gross misrepresentation of both the intent behind the Residential Schools and what actually happened. No bodies have been found. There was abuse and conditions could be crowded. Well abuse was in all schools. These schools were created by progressives like you, in the name of providing literacy and a leg up. Yes assimilation was part of the deal as it is in virtually all countries today. We had flags at half mast for a year and false claims of genocide. Many churches were burned down and our federal leaders said it was justified.

The false impressions have stuck internationally and for most Canadians. The people who were involved with these schools and some like Ryerson who had indirect involvement are all painted as evil. It’s wrong, but this is the story we’re teaching students and the story that’s used to hold the current Canadian population hostage financially for events they didn’t cause. The descendants of the Irish Catholics who couldn’t own property or vote in Britain aren’t asking for reparations, but they don’t count as much as the Indigenous. In Canada today some groups have special status and are considered more deserving than others.

CdnFox · January 27

5 hours ago, herbie said:

How does teaching THE TRUTH undermine history or get labelled as "woke"?

When it is distorted to the point that it is no longer the truth but is rather ideologically motivated fanfiction. Then it's woke

herbie · January 27

Yeah yeah and nobody went down with the Titanic because you didn't see their bodies either. Go on. And on and on... settler.

Army Guy · January 27

21 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yeah yeah and nobody went down with the Titanic because you didn't see their bodies either. Go on. And on and on... settler.

Just a question has any bodies been recovered ? or are we just doing half measures during this investigation, i mean if i had children that went to these schools i would want to know where their bodies were wouldn't you ?

CdnFox · January 27

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Yeah yeah and nobody went down with the Titanic because you didn't see their bodies either.

And that's why you hear people say that all the time .... oh wait

Quote

Go on. And on and on... settler.

Sure thing chug.

eyeball · January 27

17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well abuse was in all schools.

I didn't see any in the schools I went to in the 60's when people including a couple of friends were being raped in a residential school by Arthur Plint.

Zeitgeist · January 27

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I didn't see any in the schools I went to in the 60's when people including a couple of friends were being raped in a residential school by Arthur Plint.

Then you must’ve occupied a separate reality. Teachers used to hit kids in schools. The strap was used routinely. I know directly of adults older than I am who mentioned harsh physical punishments. This wasn’t uncommon at all. It wasn’t right, but it was widespread

CdnFox · January 27

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Then you must’ve occupied a separate reality. Teachers used to hit kids in schools. The strap was used routinely. I know directly of adults older than I am who mentioned harsh physical punishments. This wasn’t uncommon at all. It wasn’t right, but it was widespread

Yeah, funny thing a good friend of mine who is somewhat older even than I am grew up in an orphanage in Quebec. When he hears about the conditions in the first nations schools back in the day he says they were identical to what he lived through as well. The orphanages were run by the catholic church of course.

Yet the first nations would have us believe they are the only group that ever experienced anything negative in the history of Canada

eyeball · January 28

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Then you must’ve occupied a separate reality. Teachers used to hit kids in schools. The strap was used routinely. I know directly of adults older than I am who mentioned harsh physical punishments. This wasn’t uncommon at all. It wasn’t right, but it was widespread

Lol, I probably deserved the strap as much as anyone but I got zilch and neither did any of the little bastards I hung out with.

I don't think it was widespread at all compared to what native kids went thru. Not even close.

Aristides · January 28

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Then you must’ve occupied a separate reality. Teachers used to hit kids in schools. The strap was used routinely. I know directly of adults older than I am who mentioned harsh physical punishments. This wasn’t uncommon at all. It wasn’t right, but it was widespread

Can't speak to residential schools but I got the strap when I was in Grade 6. It hurt a bit but so what, it sure as hell didn't traumatize anyone I knew. It was part of growing up. Now the little shits can get away with just about anything and teachers are helpless. What kind of way is that to bring up a kid, what is that teaching them?

CdnFox · January 28

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Lol, I probably deserved the strap as much as anyone but I got zilch and neither did any of the little bastards I hung out with.

I don't think it was widespread at all compared to what native kids went thru. Not even close.

The evidence says otherwise. First off at that point in history a lot of the schools were actually quite good. There's a myth propagated by dishonest people such as yourself that somehow every first nations child was at a school where terrible things happened to them and that is absolutely not supported by the evidence

Nor were kids getting strapped in native schools around about the time you would have been going to your school.

Depending on where you went the experiences weren't that much different. The big difference for a residential school was the requirement to live in residence away from your family and culture.

But by the late 60s and early 70s that represented a very small number or percentage of the first nations people at the best of times and the conditions were actually fairly good. Certainly as we move through the seventies and eighties there was no difference between them and any other school.

And if you go back in time there was no difference between them and any other catholic resident school. And let's not forget there were such schools that weren't about natives. Including orphanages

PIK · January 28

I received it 3 times. But my chums in the catholic schools said the nuns were a mean bunch, lot of knuckle wraps with the wooden pointers going on. Lol

eyeball · January 28

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

There's a myth propagated by dishonest people such as yourself... ...blah blah blah...

Sure, you make it sound like you're reporting things you personally saw.

I only have the word of a couple of sexually abused friends so...

Then there's the evidence of how abuse caused intergenerational and community wide damage that's still very prevalent throughout First Nations across Canada.

It suggests you may be right, abuse is as rampant and widespread amongst us any anyone. It neatly explains why so much of our non-indigenous society is also so fùcked up dysfunctional and abusive and especially with Catholics.

1 hour ago, PIK said:

I received it 3 times. But my chums in the catholic schools said the nuns were a mean bunch, lot of knuckle wraps with the wooden pointers going on. Lol

It must have rubbed off on students - most every normal kid I knew avoided walking by the Catholic school in my neighborhood. Little psychopathic bastards, like Isis terrorist cells, loved ganging up on us. At least they were forced to wear uniforms so we could see them coming.

Edited January 28 by eyeball

herbie · January 28

On 1/26/2025 at 7:50 PM, Army Guy said:

Just a question has any bodies been recovered ? or are we just doing half measures during this investigation, i mean if i had children that went to these schools i would want to know where their bodies were wouldn't you ?

More 19th century settler mindset.
The stories aren't good enough, dig up sacred ground and prove it to the white man. Now!

CdnFox · January 28

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure, you make it sound like you're reporting things you personally saw.

I only have the word of a couple of sexually abused friends so...

Sooo.... things you never personally saw.

Kay.

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Then there's the evidence of how abuse caused intergenerational and community wide damage that's still very prevalent throughout First Nations across Canada.

And yet the abuse didn't cause the same problem with other cultures and races. And there's plenty of documentation about abuse. Kind of says more about them than anything else it would seem

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

It suggests you may be right, abuse is as rampant and widespread amongst us any anyone. It neatly explains why so much of our non-indigenous society is also so fùcked up dysfunctional and abusive and especially with Catholics.

Nonsense. You said you weren't' abused. So obviously it's not explaining how people get effed up

This isn't complicated. Real abuses do happen both in residential schools and outside of residential schools and probably to about the same extent. Predators are predators. They will appear in every circumstance where a predator has an opportunity such as schools, youth sports and groups like the scouts, etc.

The issue with the first nations is that for whatever reason They've been told repeatedly that just because someone else was victimized it's exactly the same as if they personally were victimized. And sold on the idea that because their grandfather was a victim this somehow excuses them for behaving the same way. And that the high amount of rape and murder in the first nations communities amongst themselves is a result of this. They were raped so it's only natural that they would want to rape other people including their children.

Which is really weird. You don't see holocaust survivors running around gassing people.

In any event there are very few ethnic groups who have not had truly horrible things happened to them and yet they recover in relatively short order. Honestly when you look at the history of such groups the first nations got off pretty damn easy and yet it's taking them generations and they still haven't put their culture back together

Moonlight Graham · January 28

On 1/26/2025 at 1:43 PM, Zeitgeist said:

I know you make the case for Confederation being a kind of reclamation of the Confederacy, but it’s also important to remember that British North America had its own complex history since the beginning of the American Revolution until 1867. I know you’ve also mentioned Confederation being a shotgun wedding due to fears of American expansionism and the Fenians after the Civil War, but also remember the great achievement that Confederation was in terms of creating peace between Protestants and Catholics, anglophones and francophones.

The Canadians of today forget those histories except the anti-colonial Residential School genocidal Canada narrative disseminated by the Post-National Liberals. These people hypocritically claim to represent Canadian values and sovereignty while undermining it through woke messaging in schools and government speeches and policies.

This government has also burdened its population with internationalist projects like ESG and fighting the “climate crisis”, meanwhile expanding government, raising the cost of living, and flooding the country with immigrants from everywhere that isn’t representative of the country’s cultural roots.

How does any of that represent anything Canadian or serve Canadians? It certainly isn’t helping us economically as productivity, birth rates, and incomes lag the U.S.

Basically our government has given us the worst of both worlds: less national independence and lower living standards. Why would I believe that this federal government serves Canada and Canadians more than Washington? At least Washington defends us.

The only thing this government has been defending for 9 years is Justin's image. Its a party of hyper-sensitive wimps and losers who lay on their backs to show their bellythe moment they think someone might get offended. Anyone who thinks like this is a loser. That's a lot of the left now unfortunately, trying to turn everyone everyone into simps like them.

Now the party is getting a makeover from some equally wealthy Goldman Sachs schmuck who loves taking credit for our recession recovery that had nothing to do with him and everything to do with Alberta sitting on gobs of oil when global prices had skyrocketed. Another crowned prince for the Liberals to delude themselves over.

Edited January 28 by Moonlight Graham

Aristides · January 28

That and our banks were not allowed to engage in the sub prime lunacy that triggered the financial crisis.

Army Guy · January 28

14 hours ago, herbie said:

More 19th century settler mindset.
The stories aren't good enough, dig up sacred ground and prove it to the white man. Now!

Thats right , and it is not white privilege it is the law, with no proof it is just here say....It is not sacred ground, it is government land where residential schools once sat...they recorded a blip on ground penetrating radar they could not tell for certain if it is a rock, buried treasure, or alien spacecraft, all would make for great stories but nothing has been proved yet...