Some Liberal MPs are mounting a new effort to oust Justin Trudeau

[CdnFox]

Some Liberal MPs are mounting a new effort to oust Justin Trudeau | CBC News

As is the story says a group of liberals are circulating an ironclad pledge to demand that Justin Trudeau go away. 

They can't force him, but they can demand it.

They're also pissed off that a new campaign manager has not been chosen since the last one step down in September. An election could be called at any minute and they have no election chair.

This is really going to tear out the liberal party. And it's very stupid to be honest.

Their chance to do this was a year ago when it became obvious that believer was building a ton of steam and the liberals were not going to win the next election with Trudeau. To elect a new leader and for that leader to get ready and do the things necessary to set up to win an election or at least deny the conservatives a majority.

Now if he leaves they're screwed. There is no time to fight a leadership race and for that person to get ready for the next campaign. It is less than a year until the start of the new campaign. Even if they rush a leadership race it's still 6 months and that's going to be sloppy and fast, and then they would only have about 5 months to get ready for the next election and right now they don't even have an election chair who could pass on the work that have been done. Not only would such circumstances probably not do any better than Trudeau would have done, but it could collapse the vote entirely

Even more concerning if I were them would be the fact that Justin can now become thoroughly enraged with them, not step down and wait until the summer before announcing he will step back much like his father did. Now they wouldn't even have time for a leadership race before the election started, it would be an unmitigated disaster

Justin Trudeau has probably led the liberal party to ruin. It may well be three elections before they get their act back together, similar to what we've seen in Ontario

[Nefarious Banana]

Justin Trudeau, Canada's worst Prime Minister .  Eastern Canada was paid to vote for this underachieving wanker.

[ExFlyer]

Ousting Justin now will only delay any election.

They will need and get tome to have a leadership convention and select a new leader.

Keep Justin. and hopefully get a loss of confidence vote.

[blackbird]

This is all good news for the Conservatives.  Should obliterate the Liberals.  Well deserved.

Meanwhile Trudeau is busy jetting around the world and is now in southeast Asia giving away Canadian taxpayer money to help clean up a river in southeast Asia.  Also no doubt enjoying wining and dining with Asian leaders at taxpayer's expense.  He knows has limited time to milk taxpayers now.  The clock is running out.  Why would he voluntarily step down and give up the last days of luxury travelling and milking the system?  That would make no sense.

Edited October 12, 2024 by blackbird

[Legato]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Ousting Justin now will only delay any election.

They will need and get tome to have a leadership convention and select a new leader.

Keep Justin. and hopefully get a loss of confidence vote.

I think you're right, he needs to hoisted by his own petard.

I think he will prorogue parliament to extend his time.

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

I think you're right, he needs to hoisted by his own petard.

I think he will prorogue parliament to extend his time.

"– With polls projecting the Liberals to win as few as 53 seats in the next federal election, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has pledged to shake up his party’s campaign strategy follo…"

 

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2024/10/trudeau-promises-to-rethink-liberal-strategy-after-5-or-6-more-general-election-losses/

[herbie]

Oh FFS look how that worked down south.
When you're down late in the 4th a Hali Mary is often the best option.

There's no need for a speedy election so the Tories can make things far worse.

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, herbie said:

Oh FFS look how that worked down south.
When you're down late in the 4th a Hali Mary is often the best option.

no, it's often the only option. That's why it's a hail mary.

It's a last ditch attempt to stave off inevitable disaster. And it rarely works. The new candidate in the south had absolutely every single thing going for her that you could possibly imagine and it still looks like she's most likely to lose. And there's no 'minority govt's' down there. 

A replacement for Justin won't have any of that. Well I'm sure the CBC will work as hard as they can to try and promote them in a good light there's only so much they can do. And there's nobody there going to elect that anyone would recognize the name of. And at this point the taint from Justin has contaminated the entire liberal party.

Not to mention that Trudeau has fired his election guy so they're not even prepared to go.

Trying to pull that trick up here could very well end the same way that it did for Kim Campbell, with virtually nothing left of the  liberal party.

[Old Guy]

On 10/12/2024 at 7:11 AM, ExFlyer said:

Ousting Justin now will only delay any election.

They will need and get tome to have a leadership convention and select a new leader.

Keep Justin. and hopefully get a loss of confidence vote.

It doesn't mater this year or next the Liberals are going to go down in flames. The only thing to be determined is which party will sit in opposition, the NDP or the Bloc.  Funny if it turns out to be the Bloc - imagine an opposition party that will have run candidates in only one province. I guess the only other question is how badly PP the Elite Politician  manages to screw our economy into the ground by selling off our national assets.  

[Old Guy]

On 10/12/2024 at 12:39 PM, Legato said:

I think he will prorogue parliament to extend his time.

I agree since that is what is generally used for.  Harper did it twice.  In 2017 a poll showed that 80% of Canadians favored limiting the power of the PM to Prorogue Parliament.  The supreme court ruled this could only be done with a change to the constitution.  Truth is no PM will willingly give away an ounce of power.  

[Army Guy]

On 10/12/2024 at 7:09 PM, herbie said:

Oh FFS look how that worked down south.
When you're down late in the 4th a Hali Mary is often the best option.

There's no need for a speedy election so the Tories can make things far worse.

I got to get one of those crystal balls where did you get yours...you must of got the one that paints the left in rosy colors...

[Army Guy]

My question would be who would be stupid enough to take control of a sinking ship, even with new policies and new vision,for the next election,  i don't think it is going to be enough to capture any real gain in the polls....the smart move would be to take over leadership after Justin thunders in....and rebuild the party new imigine for the next election or the one after that...stepping in now would be suicide...

Edited October 13, 2024 by Army Guy

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, Old Guy said:

The only thing to be determined is which party will sit in opposition, the NDP or the Bloc.  Funny if it turns out to be the Bloc - imagine an opposition party that will have run candidates in only one province.

I'm left imagining a nationalist separatist opposition against a government with the support of substantial numbers of western separatists and millions of others who've been more than happy to say arrivederci to Quebec for decades.

Poilievre will apparently be putting the indians back in their place where they belong too.

It should interesting times - like the old curse.

 

Edited October 13, 2024 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Old Guy said:

It doesn't mater this year or next the Liberals are going to go down in flames. The only thing to be determined is which party will sit in opposition, the NDP or the Bloc.  Funny if it turns out to be the Bloc - imagine an opposition party that will have run candidates in only one province. I guess the only other question is how badly PP the Elite Politician  manages to screw our economy into the ground by selling off our national assets.  

I think they know that, I think what they're worried about right now is the difference between losing the election and being utterly wiped out.

I think there are many liberals who are extremely worried that they will be utterly crushed as a party and actually wind up in third or fourth place behind the block in the NDP. There's a reasonable chance that they may be able to hold their first after election caucus in a single booth at Denny's.

They realize that if they replace Justin they may still lose but they're hoping the loss would be less severe. However history says that doesn't always go that way and it could just as easily be worse as we saw with Kim Campbell

[Old Guy]

23 hours ago, eyeball said:

Poilievre will apparently be putting the indians back in their place where they belong too

I wonder what his plan is? Will he launch a court challenge and take it back to the supreme court where FN have already won? 

I think Canada should test for and disallow ideologs from gaining public office. There are lots of more productive things they can use their fervor for. Used Car Salesman, Evangelical  Minister, TV Special Promotion Salesman. Circus Clown I mean the list is endless. 

[Old Guy]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They realize that if they replace Justin they may still lose but they're hoping the loss would be less severe. However history says that doesn't always go that way and it could just as easily be worse as we saw with Kim Campbell

Yep I agree, although to be fair Kim C was only meant to be a place holder until Mulroney got his ducks in order. I think she would have been a good PM although a bit too red for the Tories at the time.

[Old Guy]

23 hours ago, Army Guy said:

stepping in now would be suicide.

OMG I find myself agreeing with you. Although there is no accounting for the lure of fame no matter how fleeting.

[Michael Hardner]

41 minutes ago, Old Guy said:

I wonder what his plan is? Will he launch a court challenge and take it back to the supreme court where FN have already won?

He's going to use the NOTWITHSTANDING clause, which means nothing to most people.

What that will do is allow him to overrule the courts.  Then there will be violence on an unprecedented scale.

Just one scenario.

[PIK]

On 10/12/2024 at 9:04 AM, Nefarious Banana said:

Justin Trudeau, Canada's worst Prime Minister .  Eastern Canada was paid to vote for this underachieving wanker.

Not all of us. Lol

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Old Guy said:

Yep I agree, although to be fair Kim C was only meant to be a place holder until Mulroney got his ducks in order. I think she would have been a good PM although a bit too red for the Tories at the time.

Well one advantage Trudeau has in comparison  is that he doesn't have to worry about the equivalent of the reform party suddenly sweeping up huge percentages of his vote. For sure the block will suck up some, and the NDP will suck up some, but nothing like Kim Campbell saw in her run.

But even so I think that it's quite possible and in fact almost likely that if they try and shoehorn a new leader in and take the time to do a leadership race and then give whatever poor sucker wins a few months to hire on an election team, come up with a platform that differentiates them from Trudeau, then try to introduce themselves to the public all the while under fire from the tories and then go straight into an election after summer which nobody's going to pay attention to anything they say during summer.... I mean it just sounds like a recipe for absolute disaster

Not to mention the fact that they have to run the country while they were trying to do all of this and they'll wind up wearing a lot of the crap that Trudeau will leave them with.

Much as I'd like to see trudeau Go away from a strictly practical point of view it would be crazy for the liberals right now.

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, Old Guy said:

I wonder what his plan is? Will he launch a court challenge and take it back to the supreme court where FN have already won?

I have no idea. I'm going by the expectations of his supporters. He's mentioned unleashing resource companies. Given how many places and ways First Nations and resource companies interests intersect it could also mean unleashing cops to the benefit of the latter.

I doubt PP's supporters will complain.

[Old Guy]

On 10/14/2024 at 11:09 PM, CdnFox said:

Much as I'd like to see trudeau Go away from a strictly practical point of view it would be crazy for the liberals right now.

Was it PT Barnum who said, There is a sucker born every minute." If the palace revolt succeeds it will be interesting to know who the sucker turns out to be. 

[herbie]

On 10/13/2024 at 3:58 PM, Army Guy said:

I got to get one of those crystal balls where did you get yours...you must of got the one that paints the left in rosy colors...

Don't need a crystal ball. When has it ever got better under a Tory govt?

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, herbie said:

Don't need a crystal ball. When has it ever got better under a Tory govt?

Lots of them of them. Things got significantly better moving from the trudeau era when he beat turner. Harper when he beat paul martin, definitively.  Polievre when he beats justin (spoiler!  )

The left always makes things worse. Then they run away and hope that the right will clean up the mess

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

Don't need a crystal ball. When has it ever got better under a Tory govt?

Are you saying that during the last 8 plus years Canada has gotten better, 900 plus billion added to the debt thats better, Almost every department is underfunded, with a good portion of them in crises mode, thats better, Prices of homes have tripled, Carbon taxes only adding fire to our problems, and to distract Canadians from real problems they add more social programs that in time will be like all our other social programs broken and under funded...I have not even read in our national history any government that has damaged this country more than your Liberal/NDP government.... I mean i get some on the left can't help themselves and love the pain this current government has put us in...So being honest every conservative government has done a better job, and that is saying something considering there has been some shiTT* conservative governments...