The Marxist NDP introducing motion to deny freedom of speech

[blackbird]

"OTTAWA — An NDP MP tabled a bill Thursday seeking to change the Criminal Code to criminalize downplaying, denying or condoning the harms of residential schools in Canada.

Leah Gazan, who represents Winnipeg Centre, presented her private member’s bill on Monday, less than a week before the country is set to mark the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation, meant to honour residential schools survivors and their families."

NDP MP tables bill seeking to criminalize residential school 'denialism' (msn.com)

These people don't have a clue about basic freedoms.  Much of the residential school claims have been false and some of it is purely subjective or speculation.  Canadians have a right to their opinions.  The NDP should definitely not be in Parliament.  They fit more in Cuba or Russia.

Edited September 26, 2024 by blackbird

[Moonlight Graham]

These people are insane.

[Dougie93]

Maoist traitors against the Crown of Canada

Post National State Cultural Revolution

[herbie]

BTW your Freedom of Speech does not cover shouting FIRE in a theatre, incitement to riot or standing on a soapbox calling for people to kill the Jews.

So it shouldn't surprise you a native MP asks for an amendment covering her people. As seen on this very board anti-Indigenous racists regularly spout off over anything that might give natives a step toward equality.

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, herbie said:

BTW your Freedom of Speech does not cover shouting FIRE in a theatre, incitement to riot or standing on a soapbox calling for people to kill the Jews.

So it shouldn't surprise you a native MP asks for an amendment covering her people. As seen on this very board anti-Indigenous racists regularly spout off over anything that might give natives a step toward equality.

They've had equality for decades. That's clearly not what they're after. 

And insisting that no one deny or even contradict elements of their bullshit story about genocide, about a few kids that got mistreated at residential schools is about what I'd expect from their leadership these days. The Left has allowed natives to wrap that residential school crap around our necks like a giant millstone while they whine endlessly, play victims and demand endless apologies and reparations.

Here's an idea: if people can come here from Africa and Asia, not knowing the language, not having any contacts or help, and make lives for themselves and their children maybe the natives could get off their asses, take a bus ride to the nearest town or city and get jobs. 

[West]

Where does one even start to roll back the Communist manifesto that's being implemented in the US and Canada? 

The Communist revolution.. truly disgusting 

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, West said:

Where does one even start to roll back the Communist manifesto that's being implemented in the US and Canada? 

The Communist revolution.. truly disgusting 

What's so baffling about your disgust is that no one fired so much as a single shot in resistance in the US or Canada.

It's especially bewildering given how readily the US carpet bombed and killed millions of people in other countries to stop the spread of communism.

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

What's so baffling about your disgust is that no one fired so much as a single shot in resistance in the US or Canada.

 

You are unfamiliar with the revolutionary war in the states? Or the civil war which would follow?

You're unaware of the Canadian involvement in world war two, or korea?

Kid - we've been shooting leftists, socialists, commies and dictators for generations now.  Sorry you're just hearing about it. 

[Five of swords]

On 9/26/2024 at 2:25 PM, blackbird said:

"OTTAWA — An NDP MP tabled a bill Thursday seeking to change the Criminal Code to criminalize downplaying, denying or condoning the harms of residential schools in Canada.

Leah Gazan, who represents Winnipeg Centre, presented her private member’s bill on Monday, less than a week before the country is set to mark the National Day for Truth and Reconciliation, meant to honour residential schools survivors and their families."

NDP MP tables bill seeking to criminalize residential school 'denialism' (msn.com)

These people don't have a clue about basic freedoms.  Much of the residential school claims have been false and some of it is purely subjective or speculation.  Canadians have a right to their opinions.  The NDP should definitely not be in Parliament.  They fit more in Cuba or Russia.

If people think it is so terrible for natives to be sent to schools to deconstruct their own culture, then why is it okay for white kids to be sent to schools that deconstruct white culture?

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

What's so baffling about your disgust is that no one fired so much as a single shot in resistance in the US or Canada.

It's especially bewildering given how readily the US carpet bombed and killed millions of people in other countries to stop the spread of communism.

 

 

It's almost like people are calling neoliberal capitalist centrist parties Marxist out of intellectual laziness and stupidity. 

But you know that can't be the case. 

Such a puzzler...

[Five of swords]

On 9/26/2024 at 11:51 PM, herbie said:

BTW your Freedom of Speech does not cover shouting FIRE in a theatre, incitement to riot or standing on a soapbox calling for people to kill the Jews.

So it shouldn't surprise you a native MP asks for an amendment covering her people. As seen on this very board anti-Indigenous racists regularly spout off over anything that might give natives a step toward equality.

If I simply told you the average housing costs in canada, you could choose to interpret that as an incitement to riot.

[Michael Hardner]

On 9/26/2024 at 11:51 PM, herbie said:

BTW your Freedom of Speech does not cover shouting FIRE in a theatre, incitement to riot or standing on a soapbox calling for people to kill the Jews.

 

It also doesn't allow for teaching the history of racism in school If the far-right government disapproves. 

It also doesn't allow for tolerance, inclusion, atheism and most philosophies that have developed since the Renaissance.

[Five of swords]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's almost like people are calling neoliberal capitalist centrist parties Marxist out of intellectual laziness and stupidity. 

But you know that can't be the case. 

Such a puzzler...

They also call Hitler a communist. It's funny.

[Five of swords]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It also doesn't allow for teaching the history of racism in school If the far-right government disapproves. 

It also doesn't allow for tolerance, inclusion, atheism and most philosophies that have developed since the Renaissance.

Every state requires, for its own stability, that the vast majority of its subjects adopt a state ideology which reinforces the legitimacy of the state. That was true 600 years ago and it is true today. 

[herbie]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It also doesn't allow for tolerance, inclusion, atheism and most philosophies that have developed since the Renaissance.

The evil progressivism of the Renaissance is the root cause of the failure of Western civilization.
Obey the Church!
Burn the witches and science heretics!
Wives, children and slaves must be beaten often!

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

 
Wives, children and slaves must be beaten often!

Typical liberal. You didn't say how often!

[herbie]

My 1st wife would pound on me accusing me that a real man would've beaten her for what she'd done. So I'd smother her with a bear hug till she calmed down.
My last one was a big woman. If I teased her I'd get a punch in the arm- that left a bruise! Having grown up tormenting 3 kid sisters, it was hard not to.
My arm hurts just remembering that. Shit could she throw a punch.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

The evil progressivism of the Renaissance is the root cause of the failure of Western civilization.
Obey the Church!
Burn the witches and science heretics!
Wives, children and slaves must be beaten often!

Now the church is the socialists. (which actually the first church was as well for the most part). 

Obey the Woke!

Burn the jews and the capitalists! Eat the rich!

White men and successful people must be beaten often!!!

 Well there you go. 

[suds]

Maybe the amendment being made to the criminal code in 2022 wasn't such a good idea. Yes, the holocaust was a genocide, and by definition so was the residential school system. Beyond that, is there a case to be made that the residential schools get the same status as Auschwitz?

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, suds said:

Maybe the amendment being made to the criminal code in 2022 wasn't such a good idea. Yes, the holocaust was a genocide, and by definition so was the residential school system. Beyond that, is there a case to be made that the residential schools get the same status as Auschwitz?

The residential school system was not genocide by definition. Wasn't even close. That's why they try and use terms like cultural genocide rather than genocide.

The entire idea behind the residential schools was assimilation. Assimilation is not genocide. We can have a discussion about whether or not a simulation was a good idea or attempting it anyway and there are certainly arguments on both sides to be made.

But the problem is that assimilation isn't seen as being a horrible thing, even though it can be if it's done wrong. But it just doesn't have that scary oompf that "GENOCIDE!!!!!!"  does.  So people throw around the term 'genocide' where its' not appropriate. 

John A said (paraphraise) if we send teachers to teach in the actual bands we'll need hundreds of thousands of them because there's so many bands and even if we figure it out then all we'll get is savages who can speak english.  We need to teach them how to be civilized, and then they can go back to their villages and live their own lives but at least they'll know how to be gentlemen and prosper. 

He didn't want them to stop being "Indians", he wanted them to be culturally compatible indians which would make dealing with them easier in the future. 

No genocide. 

[suds]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The residential school system was not genocide by definition. Wasn't even close. That's why they try and use terms like cultural genocide rather than genocide.

The entire idea behind the residential schools was assimilation. Assimilation is not genocide. We can have a discussion about whether or not a simulation was a good idea or attempting it anyway and there are certainly arguments on both sides to be made.

But the problem is that assimilation isn't seen as being a horrible thing, even though it can be if it's done wrong. But it just doesn't have that scary oompf that "GENOCIDE!!!!!!"  does.  So people throw around the term 'genocide' where its' not appropriate. 

John A said (paraphraise) if we send teachers to teach in the actual bands we'll need hundreds of thousands of them because there's so many bands and even if we figure it out then all we'll get is savages who can speak english.  We need to teach them how to be civilized, and then they can go back to their villages and live their own lives but at least they'll know how to be gentlemen and prosper. 

He didn't want them to stop being "Indians", he wanted them to be culturally compatible indians which would make dealing with them easier in the future. 

No genocide. 

Whatever their intentions, I have to ask if they would have done the same thing today with the Genocide Convention in place. I would have to say probably not. In particular, The Rome Statute of the ICC Art. II (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. What they did was wrong (in hindsight) and should never be repeated with any other ethnic or racial group. The purpose of the convention was to prevent events such as the Holocaust and Armenian Genocide from reoccurring which in my opinion sets the bar higher than what took place at the residential schools. I'd agree that 'cultural genocide' would be more appropriate but is not acceptable either.

 

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, suds said:

Whatever their intentions, I have to ask if they would have done the same thing today with the Genocide Convention in place.te but is not acceptable either.

Sure. In fact we still do integrate people. Assimilation is still an ongoing process in Canada. When newcomers arrive they are put into our public schools, made to learn our language, and taught our way of life. And they are expected to conform to that to a reasonable degree. They may still have their own culture and that's fine and great but they are expected to be assimilated into ours. 

27 minutes ago, suds said:

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

It wasn't though. All of those kids got to go home for the summers if they wished, parents were welcome to attend and visit them. Which happened at many schools. It was expected that after school was over they would return to their communities. This absolutely and unequivocally does not represent what was envisioned in the Geneva conventions with regards to removing children and permanently denying them access to their culture by placing them with different families who would raise them.

29 minutes ago, suds said:

I'd agree that 'cultural genocide' would be more appropriate but is not acceptable either.

Well it's a meaningless term. Genocide is that which involves the 'genus', or race/ethnicity. Not the culture. Culture changes constantly. 

But they want to get the word 'genocide' in there because it makes it sound "really bad'.

It's just cultural assimilation. They wanted to absorb the first nations into their culture and for their culture to evolve to adapt to this. 

They didn't want the first nations to die or disappear, they wanted them to be adapted to function effectively in  the world that THEY thought was best. They just didn't realize what  a terrible idea it was going to be especially in the way they did it.  Remember at the time it was normal to send your OWN kids off to boarding school if you had the money. 

I mean, there's little doubt the english of the day thought that EVERYONE would WANT to be as "Civilized" as they were if they could.  First nations were running around in leather and didn't even have metal!  English had tea and crumpets and firearms and a king and frilly shirts - who WOULDN"T want to get in on that?  

In short they were doing them a favor.  Raise them to "our superior level" and they will be greatful! who wouldn't?

The lessons learned are what gave us things like the idea of the "Prime directive" in star trek.  Trying to fiddle with someone's culture before they're ready for it has serious unintended consequence. 

 

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, suds said:

Beyond that, is there a case to be made that the residential schools get the same status as Auschwitz?

No but I imagine there are people who will make that case. Sorta like the people who maintain that Nazis and/or commies are governing Canada these days - perspectives are a little too loose these days. 

Edited September 29, 2024 by eyeball

[West]

On 9/26/2024 at 9:51 PM, herbie said:

BTW your Freedom of Speech does not cover shouting FIRE in a theatre, incitement to riot or standing on a soapbox calling for people to kill the Jews.

So it shouldn't surprise you a native MP asks for an amendment covering her people. As seen on this very board anti-Indigenous racists regularly spout off over anything that might give natives a step toward equality.

Just an excuse to attack Christianity. 

[West]

On 9/27/2024 at 8:44 PM, eyeball said:

What's so baffling about your disgust is that no one fired so much as a single shot in resistance in the US or Canada.

It's especially bewildering given how readily the US carpet bombed and killed millions of people in other countries to stop the spread of communism.

 

 

Right now there's a systematic push in my province by hard leftists backed by "experts" to try and shut down faith based schools citing abuse. They do not acknowledge that the strap was routinely used in public schools until the late 1980s.

This is just one step in the progression. 

Edited September 29, 2024 by West