NDP kills Prop-Up deal.

[Legato]

OTTAWA—New Democrat Leader Jagmeet Singh is ripping up his 2022 deal with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to support the Liberal government— a move that immediately makes for a more unstable minority Parliament and could create the conditions for a snap election call.

It does not automatically trigger an election because the 24 NDP members of Parliament could continue to support the 154-member minority Liberal government on a vote-by-vote basis — which is exactly what the Liberals are counting on — rather than automatically moving to declare lost confidence in Trudeau.

The collapse of the agreement does, however, mean Singh could introduce a non-confidence vote or vote for any such motion the Conservatives or Bloc Québécois could present, potentially plunging the country into a federal campaign.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/ndp-kills-deal-that-propped-up-justin-trudeaus-liberals-putting-his-minority-government-at-risk/article_9744b22a-6acd-11ef-96a6-9329e7e56dc6.html

[CdnFox]

The pressure on him must have been immense. Falling in the polls, "sell out singh " was sticking as a nickname, etc. 

So most likely a spring election then.  They MIGHT bring the gov't down now but i kind of doubt it. 

But we'll see.  Justin has to give a throne speech and throne speeches are always confidence motions. 

[Legato]

48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The pressure on him must have been immense. Falling in the polls, "sell out singh " was sticking as a nickname, etc. 

So most likely a spring election then.  They MIGHT bring the gov't down now but i kind of doubt it. 

But we'll see.  Justin has to give a throne speech and throne speeches are always confidence motions. 

His last throne speech.

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

His last throne speech.

 

 

 

Thanks for the rimminder  

[Nationalist]

Its about time!

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Its about time!

he may find it's past time. We've talked about this a number of times, traditionally the junior partner in these kinds of coalitions always do very very badly at the polls in the next election. The only hope you've got is to bail out long before the election so that you don't wear every mistake that they've made between when you sign the deal and when you finally had an election.

The polls indicate that he left it a little too long. People were starting to hold him responsible for Justin's bad choices and behavior. Breaking the deal now may come too late to truly reverse that impression, and Poilievre may very well Next slower beat him up pretty bad during the election campaign for propping them up for so long.

Especially if he doesn't vote them down in the immediate future. If he breaks the deal but then keeps them in power it'll be even worse

Presumably he's going to claim that he is doing this in response to Justin's sending the workers to arbitration and he will try and run on being a platform for the working union person. I don't think that'll sell well. But he's not likely to have something better come along in the last year. 

Edited September 4, 2024 by CdnFox

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

he may find it's past time. We've talked about this a number of times, traditionally the junior partner in these kinds of coalitions always do very very badly at the polls in the next election. The only hope you've got is to bail out long before the election so that you don't wear every mistake that they've made between when you sign the deal and when you finally had an election.

The polls indicate that he left it a little too long. People were starting to hold him responsible for Justin's bad choices and behavior. Breaking the deal now may come too late to truly reverse that impression, and Poilievre may very well Next slower beat him up pretty bad during the election campaign for propping them up for so long.

Especially if he doesn't vote them down in the immediate future. If he breaks the deal but then keeps them in power it'll be even worse

Presumably he's going to claim that he is doing this in response to Justin's sending the workers to arbitration and he will try and run on being a platform for the working union person. I don't think that'll sell well. But he's not likely to have something better come along in the last year. 

You mean Jaggers could be gone as well?

A 2-fer. Perfect.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You mean Jaggers could be gone as well?

A 2-fer. Perfect.

If the polling is correct he is very likely to be gone after the election as the nDP leader. He may well still be an MP for the NDP but he would likely lose seats and after three disappointing elections they would almost certainly say it was time for a new leader and a new direction.

It might very well turn out to be a race for last place, with the liberals and the NDP jockeying for the third or fourth position behind the block and the conservatives. There is a very real possibility of a complete liberal collapse some spill over to the NDP.

Hopefully we will have an election this fall and we will be done with that freaking loser Trudeau and can start a new year beginning to repair the damages

[Army Guy]

I wish that an election would be called, but i think this is all window dressing, Sing is not going to vote for an election, why would he, him getting more votes by doing this is a pipe dream i think....

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I wish that an election would be called, but i think this is all window dressing, Sing is not going to vote for an election, why would he, him getting more votes by doing this is a pipe dream i think....

exactly

the NDP was getting no benefit from this agreement, in fact it was backfiring

but they're not going to bring the government down anytime soon

particularly when the Conservatives are way ahead

the larger problem for the NDP is that their base has split

they are tryng to be the party of the Woke Progressive Elites in the cities

and the Blue Collars

when in fact the Woke Progressives & Blue Collars have become diametrically opposed

driving the Blue Collars to the Conservatives

while at the same time Progressives will rally round the Liberals just to stop the Conservatives

Edited September 4, 2024 by Dougie93

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I wish that an election would be called, but i think this is all window dressing, Sing is not going to vote for an election, why would he, him getting more votes by doing this is a pipe dream i think....

he's sinking in the polls. And the reason he is sinking in the polls is people are beginning to associate the liberals horrible track record as being his fault for propping them up.

He has realized that the longer this goes on the worst that gets and his NDP could be down to 10% of the vote by the time the election rolls around at the rate he is going. In other words he could be fighting with the greens for position.

Can't just break the deal for no reason, there has to be a catalyst or he looks horrible. The recent rail strike and the government's referral to the labor board for arbitration gives him at least the semblance of an excuse that he can hide behind to explain why he's Bailing.

If he does this but still props up the government it'll actually wind up looking worse for him. And in less than a year a new election starts no matter what he does, so he's rapidly running out of road to make things happen on his own terms.

He might not call an election, but he would be Beyond stupid not to. I'm sure his NDP caucus is aware of this and is pressuring The Living Daylights out of him to break the alliance and call an election

[Nefarious Banana]

Let's hope this dance is over.

[Moonlight Graham]

Nothing will change.  An election will not be called early.  NDP don't want to go down with the ship and be implicated for all the crappy policies they've supported the Liberals on.  Canadians aren't as dumb as they think they are.

[Guest]

Unless he calls an election, I just see this as nothing more than virtue signaling, but doing nothing about it as he has a pension he is about to be entitled to.

Nobody is buying his constant complaining but no action to align with such complaints.

There literally is no reason for him to keep this coalition intact, based on the complaints, but over 2 million reasons to, until February 2025.

He clearly has no integrity.

[August1991]

29 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Unless he calls an election, I just see this as nothing more than virtue signaling

...

I agree. Singh cannot call an election.

But on a critical vote, the NPD can vote against the government.

This is a signal.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Unless he calls an election, I just see this as nothing more than virtue signaling, but doing nothing about it as he has a pension he is about to be entitled to.

Nobody is buying his constant complaining but no action to align with such complaints.

There literally is no reason for him to keep this coalition intact, based on the complaints, but over 2 million reasons to, until February 2025.

He clearly has no integrity.

The reason he's doing this is he's tanking in the polls, and the reason he's tanking in the polls is people are tying him to the liberals and their failures.

If he doesn't call an early election he'll go into the next election as "sell out singh", the guy who was the liberals' door mat and who gave them the power to do everything they did that was bad. 

If he goes to an election now he'll be able to say "we weren't the pawns of the libs - they betrayed the honest rail workers and so we brought them down to fight for the working man! 

it's not desirable to do winter elections but i have a feeling that they'll try to bring down the gov't this september to shoot for a november election. Remember that their target is really the liberals, not the conservatives although that's who they'll campaign against. 

Failing that he HAS to go in the spring, probably over the budget.  He absolutely cannot afford to wait till the scheduled election date. 

As to his pension as long as he gets re-elected even if we go to an election this fall he'll still get his pension. So he might be willing to risk it if it means he might get to stay on as leader for another term. 

[taxesanddeath]

Maybe it has something to do with the by-election in MB;🤔

Btw, is it just me or it seems JT starts taking credits from all the NDP's ideas?

[ExFlyer]

Lreadty posted.

 

"NDP Leader pulls out of supply and confidence deal with Liberals"

 

"The New Democratic Party is ending its supply and confidence deal with the Liberal Party, substantially increasing the chances of a federal election.

Federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says he notified Prime Minister Justin Trudeau today that he is no longer propping up his government. " 

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2024/09/04/ndp-jagmeet-singh-liberals-supply-and-confidence/?

 

Anyone really think Jagmeet has the balls to let an election happen??/

[NAME REMOVED]

I would not mind seeing what an NDP Government can accomplish. It would have been better when Jack Layton was alive though.

[myata]

Just watch them propping Justin up in the next confidence vote but already as independent" and free" party. Can politics can be full of surprises

 

Edited September 5, 2024 by myata

[Guest]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Anyone really think Jagmeet has the balls to let an election happen??

Way too much to lose. Better off sabre rattling until February, cut the fat pension cheque, and bail.

45,000$ to 55, 000$ a year, when he turns 55 is quite nice, especially so when it's for doing absolutely nothing. 

[Dougie93]

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Nothing will change.

 the vast majority of Canadians have actively voted for this Socialist Utopian lunacy for decades now

so let it burn, like the wrath of an Old Testament Lord

God is mercy, but also judgment

suffering is good for the soul

Canadians deserve their comeuppance therein

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, taxesanddeath said:

Maybe it has something to do with the by-election in MB;🤔

Btw, is it just me or it seems JT starts taking credits from all the NDP's ideas?

Well that was inevitable. JT steals everybody's ideas and tries to pass them off as his own. And then people wonder why politicians like poly Everett don't release their platforms before an election

As to the byelection i'm sure that's got him a little scared as well. Failing there would be embarrassing. 

But at the end of the day he's GOT to break it off  with trudeau as soon as possible, every day he waits he gets dragged down in the polls. There's fundraising issues, if the plug gets pulled in the spring then it'll be a budget election and that doesn't favor the ndp, his caucus has got to be pounding on him to take action, If he's going to go before the next election it's now or spring. 

So i suspect they'll trigger an election now. it's not ideal to have people going to the polls in november but they may feel that benefits them. 

[Moonlight Graham]

7 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

 the vast majority of Canadians have actively voted for this Socialist Utopian lunacy for decades now

so let it burn, like the wrath of an Old Testament Lord

God is mercy, but also judgment

suffering is good for the soul

Canadians deserve their comeuppance therein

Conservatives won the popular vote the last 2 federal elections and will win the next one as well.  Maybe the pendulum is shifting.  Hopefully its a sign that Canadians are rejecting this woke snowflake nonsense.  Anyone offended by that last sentence is part of the problem.

The 90's Liberals are probably dead, they've gone full virtue-signal just like the Democrats.  Anything that could be offensive to somebody will be suppressed and avoided.

You can't build successful policy when you suppress facts and avoid reality to spare some people's feelings.

Edited September 6, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[Moonlight Graham]

Problem is PP is too conservative on some things.  He comes off as a typical rightwing ideologue.  Hopefully the CPC govern more to the center like Harper did, they'll govern longer that way.  Harper gov was lightyears better than the Trudeau gov.