Why climate alarmism and carbon taxes are a scam.

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The dumbest conspiracy theory of all is that scientists do bad work because they're paid for a living.

If a scientist was actually able to disprove human-caused warming, they would be the most famous scientist in history.

If a scientist tried to make that argument they would be dumped out of their university and never get another grant again. We are in an era where arguing unpopular beliefs is unwelcome at universities and among scientific associations.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

This meme is basically true.

No it’s completely untrue and also kinda racist 

33 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And do you understand why this is happening?

Because, as many had suspected all along, this is the crisis that never was. The politicians took an obvious fact that 8 billion people do have a small effect on the average global temperatures and turned it into the fcking boogeyman. It's the politicians who label it as a crisis. No self respecting scientist will. That would be bad science.

So follow the science and enjoy the coming prosperity. 

You have falsehoods in every sentence. 

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

No it’s completely untrue and also kinda racist 

You have falsehoods in every sentence. 

Ok point them out. Or are you only capable of fear-mongering?

Go ahead...what did I post that was false?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

These are sure halcyon days for deniers. You really do seem to be enjoying yourselves. 

Emissions are up, action is down, oil companies are on the cusp of being unleashed. Heck even Trudeau bought you a pipeline.

 

Win win win yadda yadda...

Hey - you were warned if you kept  up with a useless tax that didn't do anything and destroyed the environment there would eventually be blowback. 

This is all 100 percent your side's doing. You had 10 unfettered years to do whatever you wanted to on the environmental front and you screwed it up.   Hell - you should have done something when you signed kyoto but you let it get worse then too. 

And after all that you expect anyone to take you seriously. 

If you really believed it was serious, you should have taken it seriously when you had the power.  Now nobody believes your snake oil nonsense.   Climate change is obviously going to continue to happen, so adaptation is the only thing Canada can do to actually have an impact.  

[Nationalist]

@CdnFox...

What else would you have had them do? They drove the economy into the toilet, allowed...Hell invited...hundreds of thousands of Muslims into our nation way too fast for any hopes of being able to assimilate them and the results...are sh1t.!

Cultural, social, economic, sh1t.!

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Climate change is obviously going to continue to happen, so adaptation is the only thing Canada can do to actually have an impact.  

The climate changes all the time - adapt to what exactly, is there a problem?

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The politicians took an obvious fact that 8 billion people do have a small effect on the average global temperatures

How small exactly and what is it that makes it so obvious?

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

...follow the science...

What science?

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

@CdnFox...

What else would you have had them do? They drove the economy into the toilet, allowed...Hell invited...hundreds of thousands of Muslims into our nation way too fast for any hopes of being able to assimilate them and the results...are sh1t.!

Cultural, social, economic, sh1t.!

Every time i mention what I would have them do (specifically to themselves)  i wind up on one watch list or another so... 

It would be nice if they admitted their failures and appologized but we both know that's not going to happen so i'd settle for just stopping the whining and crybabying and pretending somehow it's all OUR fault that they failed so hard for 10 years especially with climate change. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

The climate changes all the time - adapt to what exactly,

The... Climate.  It... changes.. all .. the . time.  So you adapt. 

Why are you dumber now? Did you have a stroke or something?

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is there a problem?

Yes, but it'll be gone in about 15 months. 

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

How small exactly and what is it that makes it so obvious?

What science?

About 1.3 degreed Celsius. It obvious because the activities of 8 billion people create heat.

Try these scientists...

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

Do they say there's a crisis? No.

[BeaverFever]

On 8/4/2024 at 9:35 PM, Nationalist said:

Ok point them out. Or are you only capable of fear-mongering?

Go ahead...what did I post that was false?

 

On 8/4/2024 at 9:26 PM, BeaverFever said:

Because, as many had suspected all along, this is the crisis that never was

False it is a crisis 

 

On 8/4/2024 at 9:26 PM, BeaverFever said:

The politicians took an obvious fact that 8 billion people do have a small effect on the average global temperatures and turned it into the fcking boogeyman.

Double False: that humans only have a small effect and that politicians have made that into a boogeyman 

 

On 8/4/2024 at 9:26 PM, BeaverFever said:

It's the politicians who label it as a crisis.

False the scientific consensus has labeled it a crisis 

 

On 8/4/2024 at 9:26 PM, BeaverFever said:

No self respecting scientist will.

False - opposite of reality. No self respecting scientist will agree with your climate denial. The jury is in and has been for a long time. 
 

On 8/4/2024 at 9:26 PM, BeaverFever said:

That would be bad science.

False you climate deniis bad science and most of your so-called scientists who you cite aren’t even recognized experts in the field. Some are known quacks and hacks who used to claim to be experts on human health and took money to say there’s no evidence tobacco is bad for you. 
 

On 8/4/2024 at 9:26 PM, BeaverFever said:

So follow the science and enjoy the coming prosperity.

False because YOU are the one not following the science and denying reality won’t lead to prosperity 

 

Links in my earlier posts

 

 

 

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 

False it is a crisis 

 

Double False: that humans only have a small effect and that politicians have made that into a boogeyman 

 

False the scientific consensus has labeled it a crisis 

 

False - opposite of reality. No self respecting scientist will agree with your climate denial. The jury is in and has been for a long time. 
 

False you climate deniis bad science and most of your so-called scientists who you cite aren’t even recognized experts in the field. Some are known quacks and hacks who used to claim to be experts on human health and took money to say there’s no evidence tobacco is bad for you. 
 

False because YOU are the one not following the science and denying reality won’t lead to prosperity 

 

Links in my earlier posts

 

 

 

You don't really possess very good reading comprehension do you.

Cite the peer reviewed scientific paper that concludes we have a global climate crisis.

I'll wait...

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 

False it is a crisis 

 

Double False: that humans only have a small effect and that politicians have made that into a boogeyman 

 

False the scientific consensus has labeled it a crisis 

 

False - opposite of reality. No self respecting scientist will agree with your climate denial. The jury is in and has been for a long time. 
 

False you climate deniis bad science and most of your so-called scientists who you cite aren’t even recognized experts in the field. Some are known quacks and hacks who used to claim to be experts on human health and took money to say there’s no evidence tobacco is bad for you. 
 

False because YOU are the one not following the science and denying reality won’t lead to prosperity 

 

Links in my earlier posts

 

 

 

You keep saying it's a crisis. 

And you keep getting asked for the scientific research that shows it's a crisis or describes it as a crisis. 

Something you CLAIM every scientist in the entire world believes because 'Da Science!"

Yet. 

Despite shovelling out tonnes of links that DON"T actually say that AT ALL and completely fail to address that and are mostly media - not science- links,  you HAVE YET TO PRODUCE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS ITS A CRISIS. 

Further, anyone who disagrees with you even if they provide evidence for their argument is simply lablled as a "climate denier".   In other words - rather than debate the issue you simply attempt to dehumanize the speaker so that you can feel justified in not addressing the point. 

Nobody denies there's a climate. there are no 'climate deniers'. 

Nobody here has suggested the climate doesn't change. 

Nobody here  has suggested man doesn't have some impact on that change. 

All people have asked is "Show why this is a crisis",  and i've  aked "Show what impact on that crisis anything canada might do would have". 

Those are reasonble and sensible questions. If there really is concensus and a large body of science behind this then it should take 3 seconds to answer the first one and maybe 5 minutes to answer the second. 

If you can't answer those basic questions, then its pretty obvious you're not being honest or reasonable and that strongly supports the idea this is a fake crisis that various groups have sold to the weak minded for their own reasons. 

[Legato]

9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 

False it is a crisis 

 

Double False: that humans only have a small effect and that politicians have made that into a boogeyman 

 

False the scientific consensus has labeled it a crisis 

 

False - opposite of reality. No self respecting scientist will agree with your climate denial. The jury is in and has been for a long time. 
 

False you climate deniis bad science and most of your so-called scientists who you cite aren’t even recognized experts in the field. Some are known quacks and hacks who used to claim to be experts on human health and took money to say there’s no evidence tobacco is bad for you. 
 

False because YOU are the one not following the science and denying reality won’t lead to prosperity 

 

Links in my earlier posts

 

 

 

and there you go genuflecting in front of the the climate crisis Goddess Ayelala mumbling the mantra "consensus consensus consensus".

[Goddess]

This is where climate alarmism is coming from and the ultimate goal - less "breathers" (except for wealthy breathers, of course):

Humans may be fueling global warming by breathing: new study (nypost.com)

[Aristides]

What will you do when the pot starts to boil and there is no way out? Where will denial get you then?

[Goddess]

On 8/4/2024 at 6:20 AM, Michael Hardner said:

If a scientist was actually able to disprove human-caused warming, they would be the most famous scientist in history.

No, they would be a dead scientist.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What will you do when the pot starts to boil and there is no way out? Where will denial get you then?

We'll bring in a carbon tax!! It'll fix anything.  Tax is like duct tape according to liberals, you can patch anything with it. 

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

What will you do when the pot starts to boil and there is no way out? Where will denial get you then?

In the end if that ever happens then what happens, do you get a better seat in heaven or wherever you go, do believers get a better seat to watch our last moments...do the believers kill the deniers first....This is the same as covid and we know how that turned out...it divided us into two groups, nothing more...with one group willing to do violence on another...

So if you believe this is all real what are YOU doing about it ? do you own a electric vehicle, have solar power, heat pump made your home more energy efficient...are you protesting....i ask becasue 99 % of the believers have done nothing except come on forums to complain, which is kind of ironic don't you think...

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

In the end if that ever happens then what happens, do you get a better seat in heaven or wherever you go, do believers get a better seat to watch our last moments...do the believers kill the deniers first....This is the same as covid and we know how that turned out...it divided us into two groups, nothing more...with one group willing to do violence on another...

So if you believe this is all real what are YOU doing about it ? do you own a electric vehicle, have solar power, heat pump made your home more energy efficient...are you protesting....i ask becasue 99 % of the believers have done nothing except come on forums to complain, which is kind of ironic don't you think...

What I do or not do has nothing to do whether man made climate change is real. When needed, I do replace appliances with the most efficient I can find. When my central air quits, it will be replaced with a heat pump. If I do buy another new vehicle it will be at least a PHEV. I live in a strata so solar is not an option for me unless the whole complex goes for it. If it is ever brought to a vote, I will vote in favour. I completely understand that a person's means limits what they can do but what I don't understand is the denial that it is even happening.

[BeaverFever]

10 hours ago, Legato said:

and there you go genuflecting in front of the the climate crisis Goddess Ayelala mumbling the mantra "consensus consensus consensus".

Lol. There is a consensus. Deal with it. 

[BeaverFever]

14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You don't really possess very good reading comprehension do you.

Cite the peer reviewed scientific paper that concludes we have a global climate crisis.

I'll wait...

You’re thenone sho doesn’t have reading comprehension. In fact I doubt you evn bothered to read anything posted. It’s been provided. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

In the end if that ever happens then what happens, do you get a better seat in heaven or wherever you go, do believers get a better seat to watch our last moments...do the believers kill the deniers first....This is the same as covid and we know how that turned out...it divided us into two groups, nothing more...with one group willing to do violence on another...

So if you believe this is all real what are YOU doing about it ? do you own a electric vehicle, have solar power, heat pump made your home more energy efficient...are you protesting....i ask becasue 99 % of the believers have done nothing except come on forums to complain, which is kind of ironic don't you think...

I vote we kill the climate radicals and burn their bodies to power our air conditioning.  If i have to die, i at least want to enjoy the irony   

29 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What I do or not do has nothing to do whether man made climate change is real.

Nobody here argues it's real. They argue if it's a crisis. 

Some also ask if it's even possible for Canada to make any significant difference, so we'd like to see the science behind what difference we can make. 

A question none of you seem to be able to answer despite being asked a trillion times that i've seen. 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You’re thenone sho doesn’t have reading comprehension. In fact I doubt you evn bothered to read anything posted. It’s been provided. 

It has not.  That is an out and out lie kiddo. 

YOu were asked for specific things and despite wasting a considerable amount of time reading what basically amounts to propaganda and distraction chaffe i didn't see the questions answered once.  Not once. Not even close. 

Provide real evidence showing its'a crisis. Not just some newspaper or gov't agency saying "oh WE think it s a crisis, trust me!!!"

And provide evidence of what kind of actual real world difference canada is capable of making? What if we as canada hit paris, what is the effect of that? That sort of thing. 

And while you're at it answer this: If it's a crisis as you claim and all gov'ts including our own recognize that.... why didn't the feds even bother to set up any kind of monitoring to see if the carbon tax was achieving what it was supposed to. 

In fact - why didn't they even set any goals for what it was supposed to achieve? 

It's hyper important - but not important enough to set targets for our flagship response? Or to monitor if it's working?

Can you explain any of this?

Edited August 7, 2024 by CdnFox

[Nationalist]

38 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You’re thenone sho doesn’t have reading comprehension. In fact I doubt you evn bothered to read anything posted. It’s been provided. 

Horseshit!

Come on Tweenkie-Poo...

We already know there's a consensus that the temps rose a degree, Prove there's a crisis as a result.

Goof. .