What's a little light Treason between friends?

[eyeball]

Just now, CdnFox said:

And you, and all your body camera wackiness, have to realize that there is a difference between lobbying and treason.

Sure, lobbying is a legal often beneficial way of communicating between governments and the myriad of interests that comprise society. I'm sure much of it is perfectly above board.

However, it doesn't take much to spoil the soup and poison the process so badly that public mistrust in government is now at the lowest levels anyone alive has ever seen.

Cameras would go a long way to dispelling that mistrust as well as catching the few peddler's and  government officials who are responsible for the state of affairs we're in. Voting...not so much if at all.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure, lobbying is a legal often beneficial way of communicating between governments and the myriad of interests that comprise society. I'm sure much of it is perfectly above board.

However, it doesn't take much to spoil the soup and poison the process so badly that public mistrust in government is now at the lowest levels anyone alive has ever seen.

Cameras would go a long way to dispelling that mistrust as well as catching the few peddler's and  government officials who are responsible for the state of affairs we're in. Voting...not so much if at all.

We're talking about an Overt crime here. The criminals are definitely going to find a way to bypass whatever camera legislation you care to put out if they have treason in mind. It is insane to think otherwise, I think that should be obvious.

[betsy]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

I've written many an MP about transparency, questioned them at all candidates meetings.

I've even refused to vote on matters during in camera meetings. They're rare at the local government level but not unheard of.

What have you done?

How could anyone know the difference if it's happening in secrecy behind a closed door?

 

  Never mind the chest-beating!

So what if you've written MPs a thousand times.

It's what you write  - regarding this matter - that's relevant!  

 

 

Goddess (and others) are trying to have Canadians  become AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING!

Your apathetic attitude - downplaying the issue - is that the example you give to the younger folks viewing your response?

 

I'll thrown that question to you:  what have you done?

Edited June 7, 2024 by betsy

[blackbird]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

How could anyone know the difference if it's happening in secrecy behind a closed door?

We are talking about news reports of sitting MPs possibly working for foreign powers.  Why would you be saying there is nothing here folks?

Maybe this is too difficult for you to understand.  So why even comment.

 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, betsy said:

Goddess (and others) are trying to have Canadians  become AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING!

And why do you think I suggest cameras, microphones and human observers?

5 hours ago, betsy said:

Your apathetic attitude - downplaying the issue - is that the example you give to the younger folks viewing your response?

I'm not downplaying anything, I'm highlighting the inability of the public to become AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING! and suggesting it use cameras, microphones and human observers.

As blackbird says...

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Maybe this is too difficult for you to understand.

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

And why do you think I suggest cameras, microphones and human observers?

I'm not downplaying anything, I'm highlighting the inability of the public to become AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING! and suggesting it use cameras, microphones and human observers.

As blackbird says...

 

You are completely downplaying it. And surprise surprise, it is yet again in defense of the liberals that you stand up and demand we stop paying attention to this utterly irrelevant every day issue of treason.  Happens all the time you say. No big deal, yawn. 

It is a huge deal, it doesn't happen everyday, cameras aren't the solution, and if you wonder why people think you are a liar when it comes to supporting jag meat and Trudeau in their comfy little alliance look no further than trying to dismiss treason as an unimportant every day occurrence that we shouldn't be bothering with.

[betsy]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

And why do you think I suggest cameras, microphones and human observers?

 

 

 

 

Camera and microphones? Explain.  How would  you use them?  😁

[eyeball]

47 minutes ago, betsy said:

Camera and microphones? Explain.  How would  you use them?  

Oh ffs Betsy stop with the sealioning. I've explained it multiple times for years already.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Oh ffs Betsy stop with the sealioning. I've explained it multiple times for years already.

see how it feels?   

[Nationalist]

https://lobbycanada.gc.ca/en/rules/lobbying-at-the-federal-level-at-a-glance/

The lobby regulations I'm Canada. 

I don't see palm greasing in there anywhere.

[WestCanMan]

On 6/6/2024 at 1:06 AM, betsy said:

 

What "lobbying" on earth are you on about?

Trying to downplay something so serious?

 

 

Giving secrets, isn't lobbying.  It's ...........espionage!

 

Canadian MP “wittingly” gave secrets to a foreign state, security watchdog warns

 

 

Let's have that person put to death. Enough screwing around already. 

"Hung from the neck until dead."

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Let's have that person put to death. Enough screwing around already. 

"Hung from the neck until dead."

Are you talking about the traitor or Eyeball?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Are you talking about the traitor or Eyeball?

Definitely not eyeball, but there have been posters here who are definitely terrorists/sympathizers. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Definitely not eyeball, but there have been posters here who are definitely terrorists/sympathizers. 

Yeah, seems that way sometimes

[betsy]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Oh ffs Betsy stop with the sealioning. I've explained it multiple times for years already.

 

I have just come on board recently.  I don't follow your posts.

Explain it to me!

 

What?   You want all MPs to be bugged? To be secretly surveiled?  To have their phones tapped?

 

Edited June 8, 2024 by betsy

[Michael Hardner]

72. Foreign actors also targeted party leadership campaigns. [*** Three sentences were deleted to remove injurious or privileged information. The sentences described two specific instances where PRC officials allegedly interfered in the leadership races of the Conservative Party of Canada. ***]220 221

 

I haven't been following this but it's pretty clear that there's rot in the major parties, I'll bet all three.

 

https://www.nsicop-cpsnr.ca/reports/rp-2024-06-03/special-report-foreign-interference.pdf

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, betsy said:

What?   You want all MPs to be bugged? To be secretly surveiled?  To have their phones tapped?

No I want them to be more like police who are tired of being so mistrusted by the public they opt to openly wear cameras to dispel that mistrust. 

Ideally, political parties could then compete with one another over how open, transparent and accountable they are compared to the rest. They could refuse to have closed door meetings with lobbyists for example.

Of course they'd be free to maintain secrecy and try to sell the public on the idea that it's in the public's interest to simply trust them instead.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 

Ideally, political parties could then compete with one another over how open, transparent and accountable they are compared to the rest. They could refuse to have closed door meetings with lobbyists for example.

why would they? People like you and the supporters for the libs and MVP don't punish our politicians when they know they've been doing wrong things now. Trudeau hardly goes more than a month without a new scandal and hasn't since the day he was elected. He was less than 3 months in office before he was first convicted of taking bribes in the form of the Aga khan Scandals. The only reason the RCMP didn't press charges according to them was they thought it was possible that the Prime Minister could give himself permission to commit crimes like that.

And you're still here everyday defending him and his liberals and I have never heard you call for the NDP to break their alliance and go for an election to punish the guy.

So what in the world difference do you think it would make? Until people like you are willing to actively vote governments out of office when they commit offenses or are corrupt then there is zero point in knowing whether there's more corruption or not or who is the most corrupt because the public doesn't care and the politicians don't face consequence

[Queenmandy85]

From the execution of Margaret Zelle to The Dreyfus affair, to the William Stephenson / William Donovan cockups, to the RCMP Security service, no other government enterprise has proven itsself to be more discredited and unreliable than "intelligence" services. Whether it is the NKVD, GRU, Mi5/6, the Abwehr or the CIA, none have ever been reliable. If CSIS gives you a sunny weather report, pack and umbrella. If they say an MP is a security risk, don't take their word for it. 

The "list" of MP's will ruin the lives of the accused without any reliable evidence. The solution to this mess is for the Party leaders to read the report and not put people in sensitive positions if there is a question. Mr. Poilievre is making a mistake and doing the country a diservice by refusing to avail himself of the offer to give him access. 

Read the report, Mr. Poilievre, and decide who's nomination papers you should sign and who you put in Cabinet.

The government cannot reveal the names because that is illegal.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

From the execution of Margaret Zelle to The Dreyfus affair, to the William Stephenson / William Donovan cockups, to the RCMP Security service, no other government enterprise has proven itsself to be more discredited and unreliable than "intelligence" services. Whether it is the NKVD, GRU, Mi5/6, the Abwehr or the CIA, none have ever been reliable. If CSIS gives you a sunny weather report, pack and umbrella. If they say an MP is a security risk, don't take their word for it. 

The "list" of MP's will ruin the lives of the accused without any reliable evidence. The solution to this mess is for the Party leaders to read the report and not put people in sensitive positions if there is a question. Mr. Poilievre is making a mistake and doing the country a diservice by refusing to avail himself of the offer to give him access. 

Read the report, Mr. Poilievre, and decide who's nomination papers you should sign and who you put in Cabinet.

The government cannot reveal the names because that is illegal.

So what you're saying is that they're most likely almost all liberals and you would rather not have them exposed. 

Got it. 

[Queenmandy85]

What I am saying is we don't want a repeat of what happened to Dreyfus and Zelle. CSIS is too unreliable. I would be careful about destroying a person's life on the word of CSIS. As Althia Raj pointed out, MP's do not have very much influece on Government, nor do they have anything of interest to offer a foreign agent. Before anyone enters Cabinet, they are vetted.

If Pierre takes the opportunity to read the report, he will be able to act accordingly. 

I find it odd that so many people are demanding the names be made public, even though they know anyone doing so will wind up in Prison. Demanding the names be made public is stupid. It will cause our allies in the 5 Eyes to cut us off.

They should never have included that bit in their report. It will lead to a disaster like McArthyism.

 

Edited June 8, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[herbie]

They traded Canada's nuclear secrets for a busload of illegals at the nominating meeting. China gave them a free all expenses paid trip for 1/338th of an influence!

[blackbird]

On 6/6/2024 at 10:22 AM, eyeball said:

Cameras would go a long way to dispelling that mistrust as well as catching the few peddler's and  government officials who are responsible for the state of affairs we're in. Voting...not so much if at all.

You don't understand the basic principles of democracy here.

Cameras cannot be used between MPs and their constituents or Canadians.  The right to private conversations about issues is a fundamental right.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

You don't understand the basic principles of democracy here.

Cameras cannot be used between MPs and their constituents or Canadians.  The right to private conversations about issues is a fundamental right.

You don't understand what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about cameras recording politicians in conversations involving the  public's business, not their own.

Christ on a stick...why can't you people pay better attention?

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You don't understand what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about cameras recording politicians in conversations involving the  public's business, not their own.

Christ on a stick...why can't you people pay better attention?

Blasphemy!   You need help.  

What conversations involving public's business?  Any conversations between MPs or officials and the public are private.  

There is no right to have cameras recording what are private conversations in the political world.  Sounds more like Orwell's 1984 with Big Brother watching everyone. 

Everyone's home had a camera that monitored everyone.  Perhaps that is what you will say next.

Edited June 9, 2024 by blackbird