Trudeau Liberals Bribe Voters with Taxpayer Dollars

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Unfortunately it is borrowed money that will never be paid back. Our descendants will still be paying for services we used long after we are dead.

Which makes it a boat anchor on their economy.

So they will borrow to try to maintain the style of life their parents had which makes it worse.

And before long, you've got Greece.

 

[Zeitgeist]

37 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's where I stopped reading.

 

That’s nice.  Put your head back in the sand.

[CdnFox]

44 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's where I stopped reading.

 

Because you agree with him and there's nothing more to say right?

 

[BeaverFever]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And the only reason they're not affordable is gov't interference in the first place.

Highly debatable 

 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

the libs wiped out the fisheries in atlantic canada with bad policy

False. First the fisheries collapsed due to generations of irresponsible fishing. Unless the “bad policy” you’re referring to was Libs and Conservatives alike allowing the irresponsible fishing and not stepping in with tougher regulations earlier. 
 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

then gave them hand outs and basically said "if you don't vote for us and our handouts how will you survive"?

That’s a dishonest way of portraying the fact they were offered badly needed services that the conservatives  supposedly would have cancelled. And don’t forget conservatives subsidies for the seal hunt for example, hilariously including the recent suggestion by a conservative senator that Taylor Swift be recruited to convince the world to eat seal meat in order to manufacture demand for a product nobody wants. 

 

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Wise people know this is true:  The most effective way to enslave a man is to provide for his every need.

More conservative reverse logic nonsense:  when government appears to be hurting you it’s actually helping you, when government appears to be helping you it’s actually hurting you.  Conservatives love persecuting vulnerable people with ultra-agressive policing, mass incarceration, school-to-prison pipelines, contaminated drinking water, lax employment and safety standards, lax consumer protection, lax pollution laws etc etx well that may seem bad but actually that’s helping you by “building character” and “providing you incentives” to improve yourself all on your own! You just don’t realize it!

 

Meanwhile living in a first world country with policies that have  lifted thousands of families out of poverty and allowed stay at home parents to join the workforce and/or improve skills and earn higher income, well that’s all just an elaborate trick to make you a “slave”. According to conservative logical, if government does things you approve of,, then you’re more likely to vote for them therefore doing things you like is evil!  🙄

 

He most obvious way of disproving this fallacy is to take a look at the most catered spoiled and indulged class of society: the ultra-rich. The multimillionaires a billionaires whose wealth has only exploded after 40 years of pandering by right wing economic policies enacted by both sides of the aisle. Would anyone claim they have been “enslaved”?  If anything it is they who have enslaved government and the public. 

[Venandi]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And before long, you've got Greece.

I've worked with greek military colleagues on deployment (NATO NA5) and recognize some of the same arguments. As with other places in the world, situations can be totally different even though the rhetoric and outcomes are strikingly similar. 

One of my favourites was the "government would never freeze our bank accounts".

 

 

[Perspektiv]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

and also complain about things being done to help their basic needs such as pharma or dental care.

You can't help in one hand, then increase their cost of existing in the other, twofold.

If am poor, and having to pay 1, 700$ in rent for a basic single room apartment, this isn't helping. Trudeau's policies are killing families, financially.

You dramatically reduce their cost of living, and provide them with the means to have financial breathing room to take care of such things.

More Canadians than ever, are borrowing money at rates they struggle to pay back. Just further digging themselves into a hole, living paycheque to paycheque.

They need Trudeau's help not because of the cost of living, but because the inept government has made life so expensive for them that they can't even consider affording necessities like dental and pharma which become luxuries when that deep in debt.

I make enough money, that my wife could stop working, and I could provide for both, car and all. Even with this, we would have to budget due to the stratospheric increases on just about everything.

Heck, we want to fly back to the Philippines, and what was a 1, 200$ round trip right before covid, is now on average 2, 600$. Literally double the cost, per passenger.

Relief of this inflationary pressure, will do far more for Canadians, than hand outs.

I don't need government aid. Just let me have my dollars mean more on our market, and am good. Wife is the same. We are highly independent.

Relying on a government sets a precedent of control they now have over my life that am not good with.

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The government is charged with helping the overall welfare of its citizens. 

You're destroying that welfare by making life so painfully expensive, that even if you want to drink the pain away, are taxed two extra percent to do so. So, 52% overall.

At least weed is legal and safe injection sites incetivize your becoming a crackhead, so there is at least that.

All else fails, you can steal cars, as you will walk free within days.

This isn't about welfare. Its population control. 

 

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Since the public decided it’s in their best interest for the government to do so, e.g. when those services are no longer affordable or accessible in the private market. That doesn’t make Canada Cuba, all governments even right wing ones provide services to their citizens, it’s why they exist. 
 

Lack of essential services like housing and childcare hurts future generations more. 

Nobody believes we shouldn’t have public healthcare, and it’s shortcomings are often tied to a lack of funding.

There are some governmental services that are deemed essential, such as welfare, CPP,OAS, and others...but in our case we continue to pile on NEW services, but the ones that are already in existence are on the verge of collapse, all one has to do is look at health care to know there is a huge problem , mostly with lack of funding, and with new programs coming on line there it does not look good to get properly fund old legacy services...

The pockets of the country are not that deep, we are already spend 110 % more than than is collected, we spend well over 55 billion a year just to service our debt each year...if this was a household, we would be forced to look at the bills and cut some things out totally...There is a limit than a country can be in debt, before it has consequences...

New programs should come with a plan on how they are either going to raise taxes, or cut other programs...Canadians should start getting use to the fact that the conservatives are going to come to power, and they are going to trim stuff, to what degree is only a guess, but things are going to go...i think child care has already been mentioned by PP...as for housing , is it really a federal matter ? 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Unfortunately it is borrowed money that will never be paid back. Our descendants will still be paying for services we used long after we are dead.

Not true “borrowed money” means bonds sold on the bond market and they are “paid back” every time bond yields are issued or  when the bonds mature 

 

Government spending and debt is what allowed the western world to pull away from surpass the Ottoman Empire and Asia and later what allowed USA to pull away and surpass the rest of the west. The USA and most western nations have NEVER been debt-free in recent history and have rarely if ever balanced a budget. There are obvious limits and

 

THIS DOES NOT MEAN GOVERNMENTS CAN HAVE UNLIMITED LEVELS OF DEBT but it doesn’t mean wee must have zero debt.  Future geese would probably rather inherit some debt than a failed state with an infrastructure backlog that is too large to address Do YOU wish governments before you were born had never incurred debt and we still lived in the Dickensian third world country that existed here prior to the 20th century?

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Highly debatable

At the moment? Not any more than flat earth theory is - pretty much all the experts agree,

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False. First the fisheries collapsed due to generations of irresponsible fishing. Unless the “bad policy” you’re referring to was Libs and Conservatives alike allowing the irresponsible fishing and not stepping in with tougher regulations earlier. 

Nope - sorry. Learn your history.
 

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That’s a dishonest way of portraying the fact they were offered badly needed services that the conservatives  supposedly would have cancelled

Nope - they were manipulated into being dependent so that the liberals could exploit them.

We're seeing the same thing now - trudeau begging the public to believe that most canadians will starve without the rebate cheques - after the PBO has said almost everyone pays more than they get.

 

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when government appears to be hurting you it’s actually helping you, when government appears to be helping you it’s actually hurting you.

Ahhh - trying to spin the truth there are we kid?  
What i said was that one of the most effective ways to enslave someone is to provide for their every need.

And you had to  falsely claim i said something different.  And what i said is the truth.

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Meanwhile living in a first world country with policies that have  lifted thousands of families out of poverty

Actually our quality of life is nosediving at the moment. There's pretty much universal consensus on that.

Capitalism and the free market built canada and propelled it through the 70's but the trudeau era dragged us down with debt. We took all of the 80's to recover - and those were tough times for many.  THen we started to climb back up to where we were and justin has pushed us all the way to the bottom again.

Sorry kiddo - left wing policies steal futures away from people they don't secure them.

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

We can't complain that things are terrible for working people, and also complain about things being done to help their basic needs such as pharma or dental care.

The government is charged with helping the overall welfare of its citizens.  Despite all of the claims that we are going to the "left", the wealthy have benefited from neoliberalism and working people haven't seen real gains.

If you don't want them to vote in socialists, you had better throw them a bone or two.

lets start with Pharma and dental are not basic needs, they just come to fruition in the last 3 or 4 years, most Canadians who work have these plans included in their employment...those that do not have access to insurance...these programs actually only service the very few... and at the cost of these programs one has to ask are they worth the funding we spend. 

The government is charged with the overall welfare of it's citizens, but most of those departments are under funded and under manned, instead of fixing THOSE departments and programs, with additional funding we've opted for  Bribing the citizens with other shinny programs they think they need....

At what point are we going to have to look at overall finances to fund these bones we throw. or do we just continue to spend becasue thats what the people want, and just bury our current finical status from the people ...until there is no more money to spend..Greece is a good example of how things can get out of control...

[herbie]

19 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You're making it sound like it was a gift.

How do you figure that, a "gift"? Social programs are not gifts, they're obligations.
You pay taxes, they're for OUR benefit.

And not half-assed ones like the medical we've lived with for decades with no dental or pharmacare. Not pay as you go (or borrow) education, tax deductions if you can afford things at all, etc. Not for bureaucrats with mandates ordering them to deny every due benefit.

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, herbie said:

How do you figure that, a "gift"? Social programs are not gifts, they're obligations.
You pay taxes, they're for OUR benefit.

No - they're not obligations.  There is no obligation for the gov't to provide welfare, or social services etc.  The gov't can discontinue those services at any time.  Case in point, look at what chretien did out of the blue with unemployment insurance  back in the day.

And not everyone pays taxes.

And the federal dental and pharmcare is completely half assed. And that's being kind.

 

[I am Groot]

21 hours ago, herbie said:

OMG so awful a govt delivering cash and services back to taxpayers 

Where is it getting this cash?

From children.

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Providing the public with services they value and demand but can’t individually afford isn’t “bribing people with their own money” 

No, it's bribing them with their children's and grandchildren's money given so much of that is being borrowed.

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Lack of essential services like housing and childcare hurts future generations more. 

Of course, the trick is in redefining EVERYTHING as an 'essential service', isn't it? Because the real essential services have been provided for many decades now. The new ones being offered up were not essential last year or any time in the last eight years. Yet now they're essential. They weren't essential under his father in the 1970s ad 1980s. But now they're essential.

Because the Liberals are way down in the polls and need to buy some votes.

And they're using borrowed money to do it.

Edited April 3 by I am Groot

[herbie]

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No - they're not obligations.  There is no obligation for the gov't to provide welfare, or social services etc. 

You really have a sick conception of what govt is. A viewpoint from 150 years ago.

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, herbie said:

You really have a sick conception of what govt is. A viewpoint from 150 years ago.

No i don't.  You just don't like it so you call it sick, but that speaks more about your mental health issues than mine.

[herbie]

Just heard the Polliwog on CKNW duck, dodge, lie and repeat his mealy mouth idea of what he thinks is a climate plan.
Oh he's all for LNG exports they'll help India reduce THEIR emissions. Well and good if one is clueless that BC isn't doing that right now. Worse lying that Trudeau is trying to stop us.

He likes small nuclear reactors and hydro, the 2 most expensive and longest to roll out. Could help a couple decades after anyone plans to actually start.

He'll Axr the Tax and give incentives to Green Companies, throw away a revenue source and hand money they no longer have to companies. All for sweeping it under the rug and pretending 'Carbon Capture' somehow reduces emissions.

I loved how he suggested "tidal wave" alternatives, demonstrating how little he knows about alternative energy methods.

Further proof the Tory plan is no plan at all, the intent is to delay, deny and shovel more of our tax dollars into business incentives, handouts and writeoffs. Helping YOU even less than the environment.

 

Edited April 3 by herbie

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, herbie said:

Just heard the Polliwog on CKNW duck, dodge, lie and repeat his mealy mouth idea of what he thinks is a climate plan.
Oh he's all for LNG exports they'll help India reduce THEIR emissions. Well and good if one is clueless that BC isn't doing that right now. Worse lying that Trudeau is trying to stop us.

He likes small nuclear reactors and hydro, the 2 most expensive and longest to roll out. Could help a couple decades after anyone plans to actually start.

He'll Axr the Tax and give incentives to Green Companies, throw away a revenue source and hand money they no longer have to companies. All for sweeping it under the rug and pretending 'Carbon Capture' somehow reduces emissions.

I loved how he suggested "tidal wave" alternatives, demonstrating how little he knows about alternative energy methods.

Further proof the Tory plan is no plan at all, the intent is to delay, deny and shovel more of our tax dollars into business incentives, handouts and writeoffs. Helping YOU even less than the environment.

 

So in other words you decided you hated what he said before you started listening and have come up with an interpretation that suits your bias.

Trudeau is trying to stop any more lng exports.

Hydro and nukes are the ONLY viable options. Wind and solar are suplimental only until we perfect energy storage tech. So you mean he likes using what we actually have avaliable. 

You're a fool.  You guys had 10 years to deal with climate change and 10 years on the other side of the conservatives for that matter and did nothing.  Carbon tax was an unmitigated failure and you were told in clear terms that it would be and why.

Now everyone hates your climate plan and doesn't want to pay money for climate change because you screwed it up so incredibly badly and hurt a lot of people doing it.

Go play with your lego, you had your chance to be adults and you blew it.

[taxme]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:17 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Yet again we hear funding announcements from a government that is driving up debt at record levels.  It’s so irresponsible and amounts to nothing more than bribing voters with taxpayer money.  $6 billion for housing, $1 billion for school breakfasts, countless billions for childcare and pharmaceuticals, including free birth control in a country with a collapsing birth rate.  How can anyone support this?

According to its latest fiscal projections, the federal government will spend $449.8 billion on programs and services in 2023/24—up 75.5 per cent (nominally) from 2014/15 when program spending was $256.2 billion. Adjusting for population growth and inflation, the Trudeau government has recorded the five-highest years (2018-2022) of per-person spending in Canadian history, and is on track to record a sixth. But have we seen a corresponding increase in economic growth?

“Canada has experienced an economic growth crisis for the last decade. One of the best ways to measure economic growth is to use inflation-adjusted per-person gross domestic product (GDP), which provides the broadest measure of living standards for Canadians. According to a recent study by Philip Cross, former chief economic analyst at Statistics Canada, between 2013 and 2022 Canada’s per-person GDP (inflation-adjusted) grew at its slowest pace since the 1930s. Moreover, economic growth in Canada has fallen well behind growth in the United States, showing that Canada’s stagnation was not inevitable.”

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/prime-minister-rejects-austerity-despite-massive-debt-and-dismal-economic-growth

We must be getting closer to an election? It's time to hand out some goodies. LOL.

And we must not forget that we now pay more for a liter of gas, and that Marxist Trudeau buffoon just gave him and his liberal ilk a big pay raise while the average Joe and Mary six Pack pay more taxes and are getting less for their money

I heard that the Marxist mayor of Toronto wants to introduce a new tax. It's called the rain tax. WTF? It ceases to amaze me as to where these Marxist politicians get the gall and the nerve to want to add more taxes to the already over taxed Canadian. Maybe MH can help me on this one, eh MH? You always like to pretend that you are a smart guy. 😁

[taxme]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:38 AM, CitzenConcerned said:

I disagree with the framing from the Fraser Institute.

What exactly is accomplished by increasing GDP and endless economic growth?

We are all now going thru a WTF moment or crisis here in Canukistan. The only things that our politicians are ever good for is raising or finding new taxes, create a bigger government, and take as many freedoms as they can away from we the peons. I hear that Trudeau will now be making over $400,000 a year. What a lucky guy, eh? 😇

[blackbird]

52 minutes ago, herbie said:

Just heard the Polliwog on CKNW duck, dodge, lie and repeat his mealy mouth idea of what he thinks is a climate plan.
Oh he's all for LNG exports they'll help India reduce THEIR emissions. Well and good if one is clueless that BC isn't doing that right now. Worse lying that Trudeau is trying to stop us.

He likes small nuclear reactors and hydro, the 2 most expensive and longest to roll out. Could help a couple decades after anyone plans to actually start.

He'll Axr the Tax and give incentives to Green Companies, throw away a revenue source and hand money they no longer have to companies. All for sweeping it under the rug and pretending 'Carbon Capture' somehow reduces emissions.

I loved how he suggested "tidal wave" alternatives, demonstrating how little he knows about alternative energy methods.

Further proof the Tory plan is no plan at all, the intent is to delay, deny and shovel more of our tax dollars into business incentives, handouts and writeoffs. Helping YOU even less than the environment.

 

What!  You don't believe in carbon capture, but you believe taxing Canadians will slow climate change?  Taxes don't do a thing except make the common folk poorer, while Trudeau and the elite give themselves raises.

[blackbird]

What the heck do school lunches have to do with the Federal government jurisdiction?  Schools are provincial jurisdiction.  Trudeau intrudes into almost every provincial matter he can find to try to sound good.

Why doesn't he concentrate on federal matters that really need solutions like the failing armed forces, and the failing or failed justice system that lets dangerous offenders back on the street right away to reoffend?

Edited April 4 by blackbird

[Perspektiv]

53 minutes ago, herbie said:

he thinks is a climate plan.

You can't change climate, with any plan that either government conjures up.

All one can do, is reduce Canada's microscopic contributions to the global issue the world over is facing. Fear mongering Canadians into bending over to be taxed more heavily, doesn't fix anything. Won't stop forest fires. Won't stop warmer temperatures.

In fact, it costs many Canadians, more. Doesn't reduce emissions, since over the last two years--they increased.

It pressures Canadians, alright--financially.

It redistributes cash for struggling Canadians, who are in this position due to the cost of living crisis. An out of touch government would put an expensive band-aid on such a problem.

One in touch with the pulse of his country, would keep the tax if it felt it was required, but would avoid increasing it, furthering the misery of many in the country that purely do not benefit from it.

[Gaétan]

The gifts that Trudeau offers to get elected will be taken from our salary or borrowed and will be seized by the provinces to give salary increases to civil servants to adjust salaries to the inflation that he has created by unnecessary health measures who killed thousands of people. Trudeau must be arrested by the police, tried and finally put in prison. He must also be judged for the weapons he sent to Israel for the genocide of the Palestinians.

[taxme]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What!  You don't believe in carbon capture, but you believe taxing Canadians will slow climate change?  Taxes don't do a thing except make the common folk poorer, while Trudeau and the elite give themselves raises.

All carbon taxes goes into general revenue. Those carbon taxes do not go towards fighting this so called climate crisis. The carbon taxes goes into the government coffers for the dictator in Ottawa to just blow away on many of his stupid Marxist multicultural and massive third world immigration programs and agendas. The guy is one sick and pathetic people kind. 😁