sharkman Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Hodad said: Yeah. You can’t argue that Russia has been more aggressive than the American Empire. And you can’t break free from your programming about Russia to actually consider the Ukraine war and why Russia hasn’t taken it completely over. They were stopped? Please… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, sharkman said: Yeah. You can’t argue that Russia has been more aggressive than the American Empire. And you can’t break free from your programming about Russia to actually consider the Ukraine war and why Russia hasn’t taken it completely over. They were stopped? Please… whatever! Russia is an oligarchy! there is no valid elections. Putin jails/kills anyone who threatens his power. the wealth gap in Russia is off the map! Russian soldiers are astonished to find that Ukrainians have indoor toilets! so yeah, when a free thinking people decide whether they want to be part of the Russian empire or the Western empire... they pick the Western empire! and then the economy of the Western empire grows in stead of the wealth of a few Russian oligarchs. so screw Putin! this is a land grab. he wanted the whole thing! his first assault was an attempt on Kiev. soon Putin apologists will be making excuses for the Taliban! Kim Jong Un! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 16 minutes ago, godzilla said: whatever! Russia is an oligarchy! there is no valid elections. Putin jails/kills anyone who threatens his power. the wealth gap in Russia is off the map! Russian soldiers are astonished to find that Ukrainians have indoor toilets! so yeah, when a free thinking people decide whether they want to be part of the Russian empire or the Western empire... they pick the Western empire! and then the economy of the Western empire grows in stead of the wealth of a few Russian oligarchs. so screw Putin! this is a land grab. he wanted the whole thing! his first assault was an attempt on Kiev. soon Putin apologists will be making excuses for the Taliban! Kim Jong Un! That’s all irrelevant propaganda. At least come up with some relevant propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 9 hours ago, sharkman said: The title of this thread is inadvertently more accurate than you realize. Putin’s war. On freedom. He’s doing more for freedom than anyone else in the world. And if you can’t see that yet, surely you can see that the US has attacked more nations than Russia has in the last 50 years. Why is that? You failed to post ANYTHING which substantiates ^this claim. Why is that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 7 hours ago, godzilla said: whatever! Russia is an oligarchy! there is no valid elections. Putin jails/kills anyone who threatens his power. Where is the opposition in Ukraine? Where is the freedom of the press? Quote the wealth gap in Russia is off the map! Russian soldiers are astonished to find that Ukrainians have indoor toilets! 🤣 There are no toilets in Russia? There are no homeless in Canada and the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 (edited) 10 hours ago, sharkman said: Yeah. You can’t argue that Russia has been more aggressive than the American Empire. And you can’t break free from your programming about Russia to actually consider the Ukraine war and why Russia hasn’t taken it completely over. They were stopped? Please… What would do you live in? Lol That's truly absurd. The USA has not expanded it's territory a bit, despite having smoke opportunity and power. And YES, the Russian forces were stopped. Do you not have access to international media? Russia has a GDP just north of Spain's, and the rust bucket military apparatus to match. You said something so batshit, flat-earth crazy there's only so much one can do right it, Mr. Coyote. Edited February 8 by Hodad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 9 hours ago, sharkman said: That’s all irrelevant propaganda. At least come up with some relevant propaganda. hows this? if there's one thing i hate is a hippy peace activist commie! yeah, thats right, i'm now the hawk and "conservatives" are the hippy commie peace activists! who knew that day would come? hahaha! Putin is an international terrorist. is that propaganda? he's actually a loving guy who likes to cook cabbage rolls? he has no idea who keeps poisoning his political rivals? if only he could find out who blew the wings off of Yanokovych Prigozhin plane? he cares about the hundreds of thousands he's butchered? hope Putin gets a bullet in the head soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, Hodad said: What would do you live in? Lol That's truly absurd. The USA has not expanded it's territory a bit, despite having smoke opportunity and power. And YES, the Russian forces were stopped. Do you not have access to international media? Russia has a GDP just north of Spain's, and the rust bucket military apparatus to match. You said something so batshit, flat-earth crazy there's only so much one can do right it, Mr. Coyote. It's quite simple, really. Take as much time as you need. How. Many. Countries. Has the US bombed, hit with military strikes or drone attacks in the last 50 years. Now count up the number of countries Russia has done the same with. The US has been far more aggressive than Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 34 minutes ago, sharkman said: It's quite simple, really. Take as much time as you need. How. Many. Countries. Has the US bombed, hit with military strikes or drone attacks in the last 50 years. Now count up the number of countries Russia has done the same with. The US has been far more aggressive than Russia. The USSR gobbled up half of Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 46 minutes ago, Rebound said: The USSR gobbled up half of Europe. Hey that was 75 years ago. Well outside of shark's cherry picked 50 year timeline. LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, sharkman said: It's quite simple, really. Take as much time as you need. How. Many. Countries. Has the US bombed, hit with military strikes or drone attacks in the last 50 years. Now count up the number of countries Russia has done the same with. The US has been far more aggressive than Russia. The US hasn’t taken any territory and claimed it as its own since the Mexican War in 1848. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, sharkman said: Has the US bombed, hit with military strikes or drone attacks Couldn't you just smell the liar? How many countries has the U.S. invaded, without any just cause, unilaterally and in a blatant violation of international law, to subjugate and/or annex? The three Baltic states Finland Poland Romania Czech Republic Hungary Afghanistan Lithuania (after declaring independence) Moldova Georgia Chechnya (after declaring independence) Georgia again (2008) Ukraine (2014-2022) Ukraine again (2022 - ) Are you counting, still? Is this USA? Check your glasses. There's a cause! Ai-ai so threatened! Pathetic, worthless excuses of a brutal, murderous psycho bent on capturing, controlling and complete subjugation of his victims. This is who and what you're trying to excuse and explain: nothing less. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 (edited) On 2/4/2024 at 11:13 AM, Aristides said: I'm not the one engaging in revisionism. He was rotten to the core and Ukrainians finally gave him the boot. Yes. And brought in comic-boy who swore to the Ukrainians that he'd bring peace. It's all so tragically laughable now. Edited February 8 by Nationalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 55 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Yes. And brought in comic-boy who swore to the Ukrainians that he'd bring peace. It's all so tragically laughable now. Yeah, great argument by aris-stumped. "He's a bad man!! Bad man!!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 6 hours ago, sharkman said: It's quite simple, really. Take as much time as you need. How. Many. Countries. Has the US bombed, hit with military strikes or drone attacks in the last 50 years. Now count up the number of countries Russia has done the same with. The US has been far more aggressive than Russia. The US certainly exercises force, but I'm not sure you know what the word "aggressive" means. The US is active in world affairs. In the last 50 years it has often often played the role of peace maker or peace keeper or otherwise intervened in conflicts, often as part of a coalition. It has taken defensive action. It has taken retributive action. But it is not wantonly invading other countries. It is not conquering. It is not expanding. In short, it is involved in many conflicts, but it is not, as an aggressor, starting conflicts. The one very notable exception to this is W's invasion of Iraq. He definitely started that war--and without reasonable justification. It was entirely elective and is a huge black eye on the legitimacy of the US as force in the world for stability, freedom and peace. This doesn't mean that the military itself is perfect, or that I personally agree with all of the actions, objectives and aims of every intervention. But the US is not, generally, aggressive. And we certainly aren't trying to gobble up our weaker neighbors and steal their resources. You're welcome. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 9 hours ago, sharkman said: It's quite simple, really. Take as much time as you need. How. Many. Countries. Has the US bombed, hit with military strikes or drone attacks in the last 50 years. Now count up the number of countries Russia has done the same with. The US has been far more aggressive than Russia. We get that you’re an America-hating Russian stooge. Nearly all the countries which the U.S. intervened in were equipped with Russian weapons to begin with. But the U.S. military fought for freedom around the world. We failed in Vietnam, but we were trying to protect those people and the rest of Asia from brutal communist dictatorships. I’m proud to be an American. I love my nation and what we’ve done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hodad said: The US is active in world affairs. In the last 50 years it has often often played the role of peace maker or peace keeper or otherwise intervened in conflicts, often as part of a coalition. It has taken defensive action. It has taken retributive action. But it is not wantonly invading other countries. That's all the good stuff you get to hear about, which they love to crow from the rooftops. There are many other, far less good things they do in other countries as well. Superpowers, 'n all. 3 hours ago, Hodad said: This doesn't mean that the military itself is perfect, No of course not. That's why pencils have erasers. But I will take a world under US hegemony over the god-damned commies, that's for sure. Land of the free. Plus we get Mickey Mouse... Edited February 8 by OftenWrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 10 hours ago, sharkman said: It's quite simple, really. Take as much time as you need. How. Many. Countries. Has the US bombed, hit with military strikes or drone attacks in the last 50 years. Now count up the number of countries Russia has done the same with. The US has been far more aggressive than Russia. meh. It's not that black and white. And btw - russia has bombed or attacked or provided the weapons for attacks for more than you might think. But you probably can't count defence or retaliatory attacks. Afghanistan for example was in response to 911 where the us was not the aggressor. Honestly i think russia might edge it out if you take away retaliation attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: That's all the good stuff you get to hear about, which they love to crow from the rooftops. There are many other, far less good things they do in other countries as well. Superpowers, 'n all. No of course not. That's why pencils have erasers. But I will take a world under US hegemony over the god-damned commies, that's for sure. Land of the free. Plus we get Mickey Mouse... All fair points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 10 hours ago, myata said: Couldn't you just smell the liar? How many countries has the U.S. invaded, without any just cause, unilaterally and in a blatant violation of international law, to subjugate and/or annex? The three Baltic states Finland Poland Romania Czech Republic Hungary Afghanistan Lithuania (after declaring independence) Moldova Georgia Chechnya (after declaring independence) Georgia again (2008) Ukraine (2014-2022) Ukraine again (2022 - ) Are you counting, still? Is this USA? Check your glasses. There's a cause! Ai-ai so threatened! Pathetic, worthless excuses of a brutal, murderous psycho bent on capturing, controlling and complete subjugation of his victims. This is who and what you're trying to excuse and explain: nothing less. Is this the last 50 years? No. 10 hours ago, Aristides said: The US hasn’t taken any territory and claimed it as its own since the Mexican War in 1848. I wasn’t referring to taking territory. Can anybody read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, Rebound said: We get that you’re an America-hating Russian stooge. Nearly all the countries which the U.S. intervened in were equipped with Russian weapons to begin with. But the U.S. military fought for freedom around the world. We failed in Vietnam, but we were trying to protect those people and the rest of Asia from brutal communist dictatorships. I’m proud to be an American. I love my nation and what we’ve done. I have a very low opinion of Putin. My wife’s old college roomie is married to a Russian in his early 50’s. He was at risk of being drafted and fled Russia through Norway. Both sides are drafting older men, and women too, that’s disgusting as far as I’m concerned. The bigger question for me is, why are both sides grinding their people into dust? WHY? Because the official reasons do not add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 14 minutes ago, sharkman said: Is this the last 50 years? No. I wasn’t referring to taking territory. Can anybody read? Well then it isn't an empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 52 minutes ago, sharkman said: I wasn’t referring to taking territory. You pick and choose your reality? We were talking about aggressive states and regimes that are bent on invasion, suppression and occupation of other countries. What country has the U.S. occupied after Germany in WWII? Putin and his dictator buddies, scores. Who is the aggressor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 8 Author Report Share Posted February 8 49 minutes ago, sharkman said: The bigger question for me is, why are both sides grinding their people into dust? WHY? Are you seriously this ... what was the polite word? Can one be? Nazis invaded Poland and France so why did Poles and French fight them? If they landed in Britain, why would Churchill pledge to fight them in the cities and on the beaches? Who can be this naive? What other "story" do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, myata said: You pick and choose your reality? We were talking about aggressive states and regimes that are bent on invasion, suppression and occupation of other countries. What country has the U.S. occupied after Germany in WWII? Putin and his dictator buddies, scores. Who is the aggressor? Okay, how many nations has the US either bombed, drone striked, removed the president or leveled crippling economic sanctions on since WWII? Start with Germany, Italy, France, etc., Japan. Then move onto Korea, Vietnam, half of South America with deposed leaders through the CIA. Then there’s Lebanon, Granada, Honduras, Chad, Iran, Iraq, Panama, Columbia Bolivia, Peru. Here, read this list(leave off the operations before 1940): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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