CdnFox Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/most-canadians-who-plan-to-vote-liberal-doing-so-to-stop-conservatives-from-winning-poll-1.6737176 Most Canadians who plan to vote Liberal doing so to stop Conservatives from winning: poll Most Canadians who plan on voting for the Liberal party are more motivated to stop the Conservatives from winning the election rather than endorsing the party's vision and leader, according to a new poll released on Monday. Meanwhile, the opposite is true for most Conservative supporters. The non-profit Angus Reid Institute conducted an online survey from Jan. 16 and 17 among a representative randomized sample of 1,620 Canadian adults. The margin of error is +/- 2 "While there certainly is a significant amount of distaste for Trudeau among the Canadian public, that does not appear to be the strongest motivating factor for those who intend to vote for the Conservative Party," according to the Angus Reid report. Instead, three in five (62 per cent) Conservative supporters said they are more likely to vote because they back Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre and the party's vision rather than wanting to prevent another term of government led by Justin Trudeau. These voters make up a quarter of the electorate overall. Meanwhile, three in five (63 per cent) Liberal supporters said they are more motivated to prevent a Conservative government rather than to support Trudeau and Liberal policies. See next post for why this is important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 So - here's what that means. The pieces are there for a complete liberal collapse and blow out A huge percent of liberals are ONLY voting liberal because they don't like the cpc. That's actually pretty stupid but that's not the point. The point is that this in teh past has lead to blow outs. IF polling suggests that PP is WAY AHEAD as the election day approaches - what often happens is that these liberal voters decide it's too late and there's no point and stay at home. Meanwhile conservatives who are excited about pp will tend to get out and vote for him anyway because they're excited to do so. This can have the effect of leading to a massive crash at the polls for the liberals WAY beyond the predicted polling . Voter turn out plays a huge role as the opponents of doug ford found out last election. If most liberals are only voting liberal to keep PP out - and the polls tell them that PP is going to win and there's no point - COULD we be seeing a collapse similar to kim campbells disaster for the PC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Thats one of the pitfalls of being a democratic country, one never really knows what is going to happen come election night.... That being said there are a lot of broken stuff in Canada, most of it due to liberals policy or inaction on their part, can the country survive another 4 more years of justin, Liberal voters would have no one to blame but themselves, if things got worse...which they will if we go be the last 8 years of his PM ship... On the good side NDP and BLOC will have decreased their power base, lost most of their voice in parliament for the most part...and it still does not mean the liberals will win a majority...and without it , and not having ndp or Bloc numbers to boost it over the majority of numbers...nothing will get done... and perhaps pushing a non confidence vote, a guy can dream right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) My gosh, the Conservatives are barely conservative. What a bunch of sucks this electorate has become. It really feels like a one party system. Gross. Edited January 26 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: That being said there are a lot of broken stuff in Canada, most of it due to liberals policy or inaction on their part What did Conservatives break? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: What did Conservatives break? Nothing. The current people in power are the liberals and ndp. They're the ones who did the breaking. I can make you a list of things they've broken but we'll be here a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 4 hours ago, eyeball said: What did Conservatives break? Give us a list....educate me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 27 Author Report Share Posted January 27 41 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Give us a list....educate me... Those two requests are probably mutually exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 58 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Give us a list....educate me... I asked you because of what you said. I get that you blame most of the breakage on other parties I was just interested in what you thought Conservatives contributed to the mess. But since you asked, public trust certainly dominates the list of things I think Conservatives did, for the very same reason as the Liberals, a lack of any real commitment to accountability and transparency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 43 minutes ago, eyeball said: I asked you because of what you said. I get that you blame most of the breakage on other parties I was just interested in what you thought Conservatives contributed to the mess. But since you asked, public trust certainly dominates the list of things I think Conservatives did, for the very same reason as the Liberals, a lack of any real commitment to accountability and transparency. Just a question when you captained your own fishing boat, and someone broke the law like brought on fish to small or to large who was responsible for that act according to the law was it the new guy or the captain...the last 8 years Justin has been our captain...Army works the same way, the guy in charge was responsible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 20 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Just a question when you captained your own fishing boat, and someone broke the law like brought on fish to small or to large who was responsible for that act according to the law was it the new guy or the captain...the last 8 years Justin has been our captain...Army works the same way, the guy in charge was responsible... I think I'll bookmark this. Should I wait until you say its appropriate before saying the same think when it's Poilievre's turn to take responsibility? Like you I'm looking forward to seeing the sun stop and reverse direction following his election. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 41 minutes ago, eyeball said: I think I'll bookmark this. Should I wait until you say its appropriate before saying the same think when it's Poilievre's turn to take responsibility? Like you I'm looking forward to seeing the sun stop and reverse direction following his election. You're a very unhappy person. Why are you so embedded with the federal Liberals when they've underachieved to the degree they have? What would make you happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said: You're a very unhappy person. Why are you so embedded with the federal Liberals when they've underachieved to the degree they have? What would make you happy? I would have been happier if no one else had voted for them too. It's not my fault its so funny how silly hating them makes you people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, eyeball said: I would have been happier if no one else had voted for them too. It's not my fault its so funny how silly hating them makes you people. Nothing's your fault . . . you've shown your distaste and arrogance for anyone willing to question and try to break the ever increasing seep of government into everyday lives. To use your overused term . . . 'you people' in reference to you eyeball, you're what's part of the big problem Canada has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: you've shown your distaste and arrogance for anyone willing to question and try to break the ever increasing seep of government into everyday lives. I guess you missed all the posts where I talk about flooding government offices and backrooms with cameras and microphones. Pretty much the exact opposite of what you just said. Quote To use your overused term . . . 'you people' in reference to you eyeball, you're what's part of the big problem Canada has. You clearly have me mixed up with someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 The perpetual sadness of Canadian politics: you can only choose the better between the bad. No you can't have that, sorry. You thought you had a democracy but we, the exalted and wise ones, always know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 27 Author Report Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I would have been happier if no one else had voted for them too. It's not my fault its so funny how silly hating them makes you people. Dude it's plain as day you voted for the libs and support them now. Unless you're going to claim you voted ndp in which case you voted for the libs and you support them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: My gosh, the Conservatives are barely conservative. What a bunch of sucks this electorate has become. It really feels like a one party system. Gross. If you want to govern you at least need to represent the will of a good number of the general public. Most staunchly conservative positions just don't fly with most Canadians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) 6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: If you want to govern you at least need to represent the will of a good number of the general public. Most staunchly conservative positions just don't fly with most Canadians. That’s why the country has declined, because after years of Liberal-NDP-woke indoctrination and pandering to radical special interest groups, most Canadians have become fearful of critical thinking and independent thought. Canada has to become both more fiscally conservative AND socially conservative. Too morally dubious, too much government overreach, too socialist. The populace has become weak and cowed under threat of cancellation, reduced to unthinking babies who are letting the state take care of them and tell them what they should think and do. Since 2015 Canada has become a radical left basket case. This is the kind of news people around the world hear about Canada today: https://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/surge-in-medically-assisted-deaths-under-canada-s-maid-program-outpaces-every-other-country/article_29028f96-bc6b-11ee-8f67-03bf29ac7d34.amp.html Edited January 27 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 30 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: That’s why the country has declined, because after years of Liberal-NDP-woke indoctrination and pandering to radical special interest groups, most Canadians have become fearful of critical thinking and independent thought. Canada has to become both more fiscally conservative AND socially conservative. Too morally dubious, too much government overreach, too socialist. The populace has become weak and cowed under threat of cancellation, reduced to unthinking babies who are letting the state take care of them and tell them what they should think and do. Since 2015 Canada has become a radical left basket case. we could smell the flowers in the gale when it died on the North Rock shoal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 46 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: This is the kind of news people around the world hear about Canada today: we literally reached the pinnacle of Western civilization Toronto the Good, 1971 - 2001 ; the Goldilocks Zone right before the fall into an abyss Alexander Muir weeps in lament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 49 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Since 2015 Canada has become a radical left basket case. Sounds so hopeless... And yet you picked a date exactly halfway through the 18 years or so that was half governed by Conservatives. Stop with the chicken little thinking. True Conservatives are optimistic and don't denigrate their fellow citizens, radicals do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: True Conservatives are optimistic and don't denigrate their fellow citizens, radicals do. True Scotsman Fallacy in reality tho Canadian conservatism was the most radical of them all Ulster Scotsmen Loyalist Orangemen of Upper Canada more British than the British in the face of the American republic at the gates Shock Troops of the Empire from Ypres to Mons, to win the Great War, in a Hundred Days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 37 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Sounds so hopeless... And yet you picked a date exactly halfway through the 18 years or so that was half governed by Conservatives. Stop with the chicken little thinking. True Conservatives are optimistic and don't denigrate their fellow citizens, radicals do. Interesting to hear that perspective from someone who calls everyone who disagrees with him “chuds”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Interesting to hear that perspective from someone who calls everyone who disagrees with him “chuds”. Hardner is an Laurentian Elite they don't believe that the rules apply to them I will at least give him credit for being Canadian therein as opposed to the Orwellian youth and so future in this land whom are completely detached from our history, and in fact reality itself INGSOC lives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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