Ban Pro-Palestinian Demonstrations

[Army Guy]

14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

OK fine.

No need to try and convince me of any of the BS going on over there. I do not care for one or the other.

Yes, Justins numbers are the same as Hamas so, like I said, we all agree with Justin and what he does and says. No apples to oranges, Justin is in charge, just as hamas is in charge.

In my opinion, nuke the entire area and it will solve the thousands years old problem.

I'm not trying to pi%% you off, and i do think you care or you would not have bother to post...this issue it is hard to stay objective, and both sides have committed crime's...

Justin does not use his military to make policy and enforce it...such as launching rockets next to schools or homes...nor does he use them to get rid of people they don't like...ones a terrorist and ones a dummy...

 

 

[ExFlyer]

6 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I'm not trying to pi%% you off, and i do think you care or you would not have bother to post...this issue it is hard to stay objective, and both sides have committed crime's...

Justin does not use his military to make policy and enforce it...such as launching rockets next to schools or homes...nor does he use them to get rid of people they don't like...ones a terrorist and ones a dummy...

 

 

You completely misunderstand or misinterpret.

I truly do not care and I respond only when someone tags me or retorts to me like I am responding to you..

I disagree. Justin does use his military. Not launching rockets (although he does provide them to others) but he does use it to enforce his policy and processes and ideology.

Edited December 29, 2023 by ExFlyer

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

The one where 1200 people were killed and 200 taken prisoners?

Oh yeah, kill 20,000 and destroy thousands of homes, hospitals, schools and refugee camps to show Israeli is bigger than Hamas.

Yup, 20,000, primarily civilians and women and children killed is regrettable.

 

You pick and choose the parts in your favor in any post and then ignore the parts which are not.

I said Hamas started it by most violent crime (gang rape of defenseless women) and killing unarmed civilians. For these acts they should be shot once between their legs and once between their eyes.

I also said that Israelis are not responsible for civilian deaths because Hamas use civilians as human shields. Unlike Hamas, Israelis don't target civilians but they are killed because coward Hamas fighters are hiding among them.

Edited December 29, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[Moonbox]

35 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Once again these numbers come form Hamas and are unreliable.. but lets say for a second they are double those numbers what does it prove, what is your number in the sand, before you take some form of action....what is the number to get other nations to act...I'm afraid that if this does not play out fully, meaning hamas is destroyed, it's leadership dismantled this conflict will go on forever and the final numbers will be much higher than they ever would be if we finished this fight and wiped out hamas...Do you really think that hamas is good for the average Palestinian, would they be better off with them gone...would it give the people that want peace a chance at making this happen...

Hamas numbers aren't just unreliable.  They're completely worthless.  With Iranian funding, they started a destabilizing conflict they knew without a doubt would invite a heavy response.  Now they're decrying, emphasizing and almost certainly exaggerating the civilian casualties they're doing everything in their power to amplify, in a conflict of their choosing and making. 

[ExFlyer]

13 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You pick and choose the parts in your favor in any post and then ignore the parts which are not.

I said Hamas started it by most violent crime (gang rape of defenseless women) and killing unarmed civilians. For these acts they should be shot once between their legs and once between their eyes.

I also said that Israelis are not responsible for civilian deaths because Hamas use civilians as human shields. Unlike Hamas, Israelis don't target civilians but they are killed because coward Hamas fighters are hiding among them.

I do not pick and choose. I stated facts. Do you dispute them?

Yes Hamas started it but they did not continue for 2 1/2 months after  like the Israelis are.

Fact is, Israelis are responsible for civilian deaths. They bomb indiscriminately at hospitals, schools, refugee camps. They have the equipment and manpower to do selective and precise attacks but they rather send bombs and rockets.

There are no "good guys" in this affair. Both are to blame and both are culpable. One started it but after 2 1/2 months, ya gotta wonder what is the real purpose of the continuation of one the sided Israeli hostility?

Argue with someone else now. I am and have been playing devils advocate long enough. I do not like either side.

 

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Now they're decrying, emphasizing and almost certainly exaggerating the civilian casualties they're doing everything in their power to amplify, in a conflict of their choosing and making.

This apparently pro-science highly-rated source says otherwise.

No evidence of inflated mortality reporting from the Gaza Ministry of Health

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext

[Moonbox]

12 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Yes Hamas started it but they did not continue for 2 1/2 months after  like the Israelis are.

Sure they did, and still are.  They're still holding hostages.  They're still fighting, still firing rockets into Israel.  The fact that they're doing so as an insurgency hidden within the civilian population they're supposedly "elected" to govern paints a clear picture of what their priorities are.  

That doesn't make Israel the good guys here, or excuse their carelessness and indiscriminate force, but there's no reasonable reality where Hamas remains the governing authority in Gaza after what's happened. 

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

25 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 I do not like either side.

 

Then enjoy watching them killing each other.

The only side I cared and angered me was watching defenseless women gang raped or assaulted by Hamas fighters. For that I want Hamas completely destroyed and all its fighters dead. I have NO tolerance for violence (rape, assault) against women.

Edited December 29, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[Moonbox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

This apparently pro-science highly-rated source says otherwise.

No evidence of inflated mortality reporting from the Gaza Ministry of Health

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext

This is a pretty flimsy source, offering cursory extrapolation and assumptions based on what limited information the UN does have.  The death toll may be as bad as reported, but the point is that it's exactly what Hamas wanted, and to call their claims and reporting reliable is a grand joke.  

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This is a pretty flimsy source

Not according to https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-lancet/

Do you use a different means of checking for media credibility and bias?  Perhaps you could share what it says about the Lancet.

Have you noticed how commentators are pointing out that the biggest threat to democracy not to mention world order is that finding mutually agreeable sets of facts or sources of from which we can draw upon to argue our points is just about impossible? This is why we're so seriously fu cked and the future looks so dark.

[Moonbox]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not according to https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-lancet/

Do you use a different means of checking for media credibility and bias?  Perhaps you could share what it says about the Lancet.

Did you read what the article you posted even said?

Did you read what I said?

I explained my criticism of your source, and it was very specific to how they drew their conclusions based on the very limited information they had, rather than any sort of sweeping judgement on the journal itself. 

Edited December 29, 2023 by Moonbox

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Sure they did, and still are.  They're still holding hostages.  They're still fighting, still firing rockets into Israel.  The fact that they're doing so as an insurgency hidden within the civilian population they're supposedly "elected" to govern paints a clear picture of what their priorities are.  

That doesn't make Israel the good guys here, or excuse their carelessness and indiscriminate force, but there's no reasonable reality where Hamas remains the governing authority in Gaza after what's happened. 

 

That I agree with.

As to why they are still governing well, I would think it is pretty difficult to have any type of elections while this is going on. I don't think anyone is governing the palatinates right now.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Then enjoy watching them killing each other.

The only side I cared and angered me was watching defenseless women gang raped or assaulted by Hamas fighters. For that I want Hamas completely destroyed and all its fighters dead. I have NO tolerance for violence (rape, assault) against women.

I don't enjoy killing by anyone.

You are an absolute arse to even say such an 1diotic thing.

I am very sure you never watched anyone being raped and are blowing smoke out of your righteous arse.

I suspect. you are OK with innocent civilians and women and children dying in the bombings of hospitals schools and refugee camps. It's OK by one side but not the other??

You are such a simple minded individual , you have no credibility.

[Legato]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I don't enjoy killing by anyone.

You are an absolute arse to even say such an 1diotic thing.

I am very sure you never watched anyone being raped and are blowing smoke out of your righteous arse.

I suspect. you are OK with innocent civilians and women and children dying in the bombings of hospitals schools and refugee camps. It's OK by one side but not the other??

You are such a simple minded individual , you have no credibility.

Which are where the Hamas cowards hide.

[eyeball]

 

46 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Did you read what the article you posted even said?

Yes I did, and I note it immediately starts off by admitting the difficulty in establishing accuracy. It nonetheless appears to put a lot it more effort into establishing it the best it can compared to detractors who simply call bs for political purposes, just like the Lancet says in the first sentence.

[ExFlyer]

43 minutes ago, Legato said:

Which are where the Hamas cowards hide.

Cry me a river.

So, collateral deaths of citizens and women and kids is OK by you. Where tactical strikes could be done but bombing and rockets is easier so it's OK by you. What a jerk!!

Bottom line, arguing with me or trying to make me see your way is a huge waste of your effort. I care nothing about either side but, will wind you up as often as you keep coming at me LOL

Edited December 29, 2023 by ExFlyer

[Legato]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Cry me a river.

So, collateral deaths of citizens and women and kids is OK by you. Where tactical strikes could be done but bombing and rockets is easier so it's OK by you. What a jerk!!

Bottom line, arguing with me or trying to make me see your way is a huge waste of your effort. I care nothing about either side but, will wind you up as often as you keep coming at me LOL

Which river do you want to argue with.  There are a few I could mention. Most would be suitable for those with eyes wide shut. But of course you don't care so why argue in the first place?

[Moonbox]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes I did, and I note it immediately starts off by admitting the difficulty in establishing accuracy. It nonetheless appears to put a lot it more effort into establishing it the best it can compared to detractors who simply call bs for political purposes, just like the Lancet says in the first sentence.

Perhaps, but better than nothing still isn't good.  In this case they're extrapolating from a tiny sample size with variables not just unexplained but impossible to control.  At best, this article is saying, "From what exceedingly little we actually know, Hamas might not be exaggerating." 

It could be true, but then what that tells is that Hamas and its sponsors are accomplishing exactly what they set out to do, which was to create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, destabilize the region, and make Israel look bad.  Israel certainly has a hand in making themselves look bad as well, but the nature of atrocities committed on them to start the conflict was likely calculated to elicit exactly this sort of response.  

 

[ExFlyer]

53 minutes ago, Legato said:

Which river do you want to argue with.  There are a few I could mention. Most would be suitable for those with eyes wide shut. But of course you don't care so why argue in the first place?

There you are again LOL

In case it did not get it through your minuscule brain, here it is again

"Bottom line, arguing with me or trying to make me see your way is a huge waste of your effort. I care nothing about either side but, will wind you up as often as you keep coming at me LOL "

I don't argue...I just shove the key up your butt and wind it up. That has gotta hurt and you still come back for more LOL

 

 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

what that tells is that Hamas and its sponsors are accomplishing exactly what they set out to do, which was to create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, destabilize the region, and make Israel look bad. 

Exactly.

The long-term goal of Hamas, Iran, and all of the rest of the three N gang signatories from Khartoum is the eradication of Israel from the map. 

The deaths of 20,000 Palestinians and the destruction of their homes is a blip on the radar to them. What they want is every square inch of the ME under islamic control and 20,000 or 500,000 human lives is no price at all to pay. The dead bodies are a propaganda payday to them. 

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Israel certainly has a hand in making themselves look bad as well, but the nature of atrocities committed on them to start the conflict was likely calculated to elicit exactly this sort of response.  

I think that Israel partly needed Oct 7th because the outside world didn't understand what they were up against until they saw what Hamas was actually all about.

We weren't allowed to talk about that in NA for fear of retribution from the politically correct police, but now its out in the open for all to see. 

Palestinian supporters could talk about "kids" who were imprisoned by the Israelis, etc, but you couldn't say exactly why they were in jail before Oct 7th. But the stockpiles of weapons in Palestine was real. The intent to carry out a terrorist attack of epic proportions was real. The threat of genocide that the Israelis claimed to be facing wasn't paranoia: 10,000 bombs fired at civilian targets within Israel proves that.

We know what Palestinian "kids" look like now because we saw them spitting on the corpse of a dead, naked Jewish girl in the back of a pickup truck on Oct 7th. "Palestinian kids in Israeli jails" are 17 yr olds who have been raised to kill as many Jews as possible, and to enjoy doing it. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

In this case they're extrapolating from a tiny sample size with variables not just unexplained but impossible to control.

Which they would have also experienced when assessing casualty numbers during previous ground offensives - these previous numbers apparently proved to be fairly accurate reinforcing the reason the Lancet has seen no evidence to suggest deaths have been inflated this time around either.

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It could be true, but then what that tells is that Hamas and its sponsors are accomplishing exactly what they set out to do, which was to create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, destabilize the region, and make Israel look bad.

Unfortunately it's also worked wonders at spreading divisiveness around the globe - even Israel's premier sponsor is torn over what and who supports what or why.

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Israel certainly has a hand in making themselves look bad as well, but the nature of atrocities committed on them to start the conflict was likely calculated to elicit exactly this sort of response.

There's dupes on both sides.

And naturally being a democratically elected party and all Hamas canvassed their constituents for their support? In a pigs eye.

I bet there's only a small handful of Gazans to this day that have a clue about what precipitated this round of violence. I suspect whatever they might have learned since Oct 7 is written off as bs the same way bs is written off everywhere else. And why shouldn't it be?

Speaking of Israel's sponsors never mind the credibility of war casualty numbers - it wasn't that long ago their biggest sponsors used comic book drawings to drum up support for a war that killed...who knows how many human beings/shields/filthy animals/fill-in-blank-here? No one's ever agreed there either, least of all the biggest killers that participated in the invasion of Iraq.

Nowadays instead of comic books and military porn there's YouTube vignettes and atrocity porn to keep the world infotained.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The long-term goal of Hamas, Iran, and all of the rest of the three N gang signatories from Khartoum is the eradication of Israel from the map. 

And Israel also says everything between the river and the sea on the very same map is theirs.

Tit for tat is how things have rolled over there forever.

[Legato]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

There you are again LOL

In case it did not get it through your minuscule brain, here it is again

"Bottom line, arguing with me or trying to make me see your way is a huge waste of your effort. I care nothing about either side but, will wind you up as often as you keep coming at me LOL "

I don't argue...I just shove the key up your butt and wind it up. That has gotta hurt and you still come back for more LOL

 

 

Ha yes the name calling trying to buffalo a similar response. Having multiple posts and saying you care nothing is rather disingenuous don't you think? Nobody is "coming at you". That is a fiction of your imagination.

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, Legato said:

Ha yes the name calling trying to buffalo a similar response. Having multiple posts and saying you care nothing is rather disingenuous don't you think? Nobody is "coming at you". That is a fiction of your imagination.

Back again? LOL

Can't stay away LOL

Oh and no "name calling" ,just stating facts, as usual

Only stating what I said again and again and again because folks like you don't like what I said the first time. It is the same each time. LOL

Edited December 30, 2023 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

And Israel also says everything between the river and the sea on the very same map is theirs.

 

Nope.  They have and are willing to discuss alternatives.

Palestine is not.

If Gaza laid down its arms and came to the table tomorrow looking for a peaceful two state solution, pretty soon they'd have their own country

If israel laid down it's arms tomorrow we'd have the second holocaust.

Simple facts, demonstrated by history. 

Sorry there's no 'tit for tat' here.   Just a group of tatholes who will settle for nothing less than the genocide of the Jewish people.