Leftist brethren, if you would've known "sunny ways" would've meant struggling to make your mortgage payment, or purchase groceries due to Trudeau's policy, would you have voted for him still?

[West]

Discuss

[Guest]

I didn't.  What a waste of pixels.

[OftenWrong]

No one has been found that actually admits to having voted for JT.

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

No one has been found that actually admits to having voted for JT.

Like I said, what a waste of pixels.

[OftenWrong]

I'll guess the answer is "no", but in a contest would they pick conservative? Of course not. That leaves option B, Canada's shadow Prime Minister. Ot if that seems offensive then how about second class PM? You all know who it is. The Jagged Meatheaded Singer.

[Boges]

I thought the Bank of Canada was independent of the PMO. 

[Zeitgeist]

Overspending on government programs and interventionist government that over-regulates business and human behaviour is always unsustainable and inflationary.  We still haven’t figured out that you can’t really eat (spend) your way to losing weight (lower debt and cost of living).

[Michael Hardner]

On 8/18/2023 at 11:29 AM, Boges said:

I thought the Bank of Canada was independent of the PMO. 

Rather than blaming the Trudeau personally, I read this:

 

https://www.bankofcanada.ca/2023/03/understanding-the-reasons-for-high-inflation/#:~:text=about the decision.-,How global forces sparked high inflation,suddenly from services to goods.

[myata]

On 8/18/2023 at 11:29 AM, Boges said:

I thought the Bank of Canada was independent of the PMO. 

And capable of erasing the public debt and boost the stagnating economy all in one magical pass? Wow, what could people think.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Rather than blaming the Trudeau personally, I read this:

 

https://www.bankofcanada.ca/2023/03/understanding-the-reasons-for-high-inflation/#:~:text=about the decision.-,How global forces sparked high inflation,suddenly from services to goods.

Ummm - did you watch the video?  She says while inflation may have taken root globally it's localized canadian decisions that made it take off. She obviosuly avoids blaming the gov't directly but the forces driving inflation aren't the "global' ones anymore.

As even the bank has noted elsewhere, and as many other economist sources reference, inflation today is mostly due to trudeau's  carbon tax, monetary and fiscal policy, and the population increasing due to historically high immigration exceeding the supply chain's ability to deliver homes and such

On 8/18/2023 at 8:29 AM, Boges said:

I thought the Bank of Canada was independent of the PMO. 

It is not in reality - and that's true no matter who's in power.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Overspending on government programs and interventionist government that over-regulates business and human behaviour is always unsustainable and inflationary.  We still haven’t figured out that you can’t really eat (spend) your way to losing weight (lower debt and cost of living).

This is it in a nutshell.

Our eocnomy works in essence on a very simple principle - money changes hands when something of value is created.  Do an hours work, make an hour's pay.  Invent a widget - sell the widget on the market - get money for the widget.  A hat for a cat or  a cat for a hat but nothing for nothing. 

That creates a balance that tends to allow for the creation of wealth and prosperity without inflation.

When you dump unearned money into the economy in large amounts you upset that equation. And that creates inflation.

 

Trudeau created inflation two  ways - he dumped hundreds of billions in unearned dollars into the market, and then increased demand by pushing record immigration levels higher than the supply chain's ability to produce goods and services to sustain them.  THAT is why we have inflation.

[West]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Rather than blaming the Trudeau personally, I read this:

 

https://www.bankofcanada.ca/2023/03/understanding-the-reasons-for-high-inflation/#:~:text=about the decision.-,How global forces sparked high inflation,suddenly from services to goods.

I blame Trudeau for yet another tax on essentials with his nonsensical carbon tax

[Zeitgeist]

14 minutes ago, West said:

I blame Trudeau for yet another tax on essentials with his nonsensical carbon tax

Carbon taxes are taxes on existence, because we require energy to get what we need to survive.  If the government really wants us to return to an agricultural subsistence economy without lights, appliances, and powered farming equipment, we can do it and live like peasants in a poor developing country.  Canada’s standard of living would plummet.  That’s what carbon taxes incentivize.  It’s a race to the bottom on living standards.  No sensible modern economy would willingly do this to its citizens.  It’s scary where our government is taking Canada.

Edited August 20, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[West]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Carbon taxes are taxes on existence, because we require energy to get what we need to survive.  If the government really wants us to return to an agricultural subsistence economy without lights, appliances, and powered farming equipment, we can do it and live like peasants in a poor developing country.  Canada’s standard of living would plummet.  That’s what carbon taxes incentivize.  It’s a race to the bottom on living standards.  No sensible modern economy would willingly do this to its citizens.  It’s scary where our government is taking Canada.

Trudeau is a psychopath who enjoys utilizing his entrusted position of power to cause maximum damage on people's lives. Very sick person

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, West said:

Very sick person

Trudeau probably eats puppies.

If it's not one thing it's another with these people.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

.  If the government really wants us to return to an agricultural subsistence economy without lights, appliances, and powered farming equipment, we can do it and live like peasants in a poor developing country.

They're thinking about taxing fertilizer so don't be so sure  

Basically they've decided that the best way to save the planet is if everybody other than the liberal leaders die.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Trudeau probably eats puppies.

If he did, you'd be here demanding it's the only sensible thing to do and they rest of us are jerks for saying otherwise. 

If it's not one pathetic defense its'  another with you people

[CITIZEN_2015]

Trudeau's sunny days was actually was a tsunami in his second term.

No party should be elected for a second term.

That said I am not sure it was Trudeau's policies but rather events out of his and everyone's hands like the Pandemic and Russian brutal invasion of Europe.

Down with Russia.

Edited August 20, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Trudeau probably eats puppies.

If it's not one thing it's another with these people.

It seems to be that the mediocrity and general faults of every politician aren't enough to feed the anger cycle.  If someone isn't an evil CommieNazi, then they're not worth paying attention to.

And thus our generally boring politics drifts into holy war save the children apocalypse battle of the end times.

[ExFlyer]

30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It seems to be that the mediocrity and general faults of every politician aren't enough to feed the anger cycle.  If someone isn't an evil CommieNazi, then they're not worth paying attention to.

And thus our generally boring politics drifts into holy war save the children apocalypse battle of the end times.

The thread turned into a cornucopia for conspiracy theorists, one feeds the other.

[OftenWrong]

42 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It seems to be that the mediocrity and general faults of every politician aren't enough to feed the anger cycle.  If someone isn't an evil CommieNazi, then they're not worth paying attention to.

And thus our generally boring politics drifts into holy war save the children apocalypse battle of the end times.

Zeitgeist made some useful criticisms, which you and EB didn't pick up on. Choosing rather to go for the emotional content, and thus, one of your protege poo-poos whole thread. You leftist guys are like a tag-team, trying to obscure the useful criticism leveled at this government by invoking invisible boogeymen.

Yet you are not off topic. You have answered the question posed by the OP, indirectly.
The answer is clearly a resounding YES!!!
And for next time!!!

Edited August 20, 2023 by OftenWrong

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Zeitgeist made some useful criticisms, which you and EB didn't pick up on. Choosing rather to go for the emotional content, and thus, one of your protege poo-poos whole thread. You leftist guys are like a tag-team, trying to obscure the useful criticism leveled at this government by invoking invisible boogeymen.

Yet you are not off topic. You have answered the question posed by the OP, indirectly.
The answer is clearly a resounding YES!!!
And for next time!!!

Unfortunately this is a very common tactic on the left to excuse bad behavior. 

If a politician on the right does something,  It's OH my GOD that's ssooooo terrible, the right should be ashamed and we should elect someone else immediately!  Harper bad !

If a politician on the left does the same thing they say "yawn, everyone does that, besides its global,  why are you even talking about this it's SOOO petty.  Also conspiracy theory".

If the points he raised were truly invalid then they would have said so and why.  But instead, it's "eats puppies", "the right are always like this" and "they need a conspiracy theory or they're not happy'.  The point is never addressed.

[Michael Hardner]

42 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

1. Zeitgeist made some useful criticisms, which you and EB didn't pick up on. Choosing rather to go for the emotional content, and thus, one of your protege poo-poos whole thread.

2. You leftist guys are like a tag-team, trying to obscure the useful criticism leveled at this government by invoking invisible boogeymen.

 

1. The OP is a troll.  Zeitgeist made two main points: the one about overspending, which is valid but not new.  All governments have been mostly overspending since 2008. The other is something about the government wanting to give up electricity.  I don't have a protege.

2. The original poster is on ignore.  I'm not a leftist.  You're looking for an on-board alliance that doesn't exist.

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. The OP is a troll.  Zeitgeist made two main points: the one about overspending, which is valid but not new.  All governments have been mostly overspending since 2008. The other is something about the government wanting to give up electricity.  I don't have a protege.

@OftenWrong:  As you can see here yet again - dismissal.   Trudeau has borrowed more money than all other prime ministers combined and MOST of it was not related to covid - but it's dismissed as "well, ALL prime ministers do that so no biggie".   NO prime minister in history has ever done that of course.  But they attempt to dismiss it.

And then he tries to pretend that he's not on the left - which is patently ridiculous.  He's very obviously on the left and in fact DOES play the 'tag team' game often enough with others who are on the left.

Anything to distract from the actual topics. It would make justin look bad.

 

[Michael Hardner]

By the way, those of you who insist I'm leftist have yet to provide any examples. I provided a list of topics upon which I establish conservative credentials, which was dismissed as not specific enough.But yet the very same poster has never provided any examples themselves.

Beyond that, I feel to understand why this is of interest to the Chuds who just joined the board in the last year or two.  I suspect they get a kind of thrill out of throwing pebbles at old buildings also.

The other thing people could do is just address my points, and make this into a discussion board.

Edited August 20, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

By the way, those of you who insist I'm leftist have yet to provide any examples. I provided a list of topics upon which I establish conservative credentials,

The examples you supplied were all left wing examples. Not right wing.  At best some were sort of both.

And nobody needs to provide examples. We have all seen your comments, we all are quite aware you're firmly on the left.  It's a common enough thing these days - those on the left claiming to be on the right and insisting they'd vote conservative if only michael cheong  was leader   LOLOL

But if you want an example -  one was just mentioned. No right of center person would EVER suggest that the radical and unprecedented doubling of  our entire debt by one prime minister which will leave our productivity crippled and will harm future geneartions and has lead to radical increases in inflation and interest rates  is just " the same borrowing and overspending that all prime ministers do".  NOBODY on the right would claim that. Ever.

 

So - there's your example  and it's one of thousands.

BTW guys - how much would you like to bet he ignores that, claims that no example has ever been given again later and then if it's pointed to him he'll just say "oh that poster is on ignore and i missed it" despite replying to me many many times   Everyone's conveniently on 'ignore' when he doesn't want to address their points