Why Canada is screwed and why nobody cares

[Legato]

20 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The day China achieves a critical technological advantage over the rest of world, watch out. It won’t matter where or who are you are, you will be personally affected. 

What? Digital Chinese Lanterns?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

What? Digital Chinese Lanterns?

With bluetooth!

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

What? Digital Chinese Lanterns?

You may need to get out more and see what is happening in the world these days. 

[Army Guy]

On 4/28/2023 at 10:43 PM, paxamericana said:

Iran seizing the oil tanker is one of the many symptom of a disinterested american power vacuum. Who rely on those transshipment of goods and material. Everyone but the american. You all should be greatful you got to grow up in a world ran by the best world police force actually. That period of hyper growth is coming to an end.

Good luck securing market access and not to mention needed raw material to sustain modern life let alone growth.

That's how geopolitic work. There is no rainbow and sunshine. Its about leverage and chest thumping. 

The 20th century economic model was based on population growth aka demographic dividend. That is no longer supported by modern trends. 

 

 

This picture speaks volumes, please note that our leader is not even in the picture, one more example of how irrelevant  Canada really is on the global stage...this was not always the case. 

[paxamericana]

On 3/28/2024 at 6:48 PM, Army Guy said:

This picture speaks volumes, please note that our leader is not even in the picture, one more example of how irrelevant  Canada really is on the global stage...this was not always the case. 

Well ever since Uncle sam defeated the soviet Canada became irrelevant. There's a potential for round two. I'll post about it in another post. Long story short it has to do with the chinese ambition in the artic. 

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Well ever since Uncle sam defeated the soviet Canada became irrelevant. There's a potential for round two. I'll post about it in another post. Long story short it has to do with the chinese ambition in the artic. 

Sorry my friend, Canada as a arctic nation has already proven it can not sustain for any long periods of time artic operations...US marines do more Arctic training than we do as a Arctic nation...This has everything to do with current governments, keeping our military in its current state is what makes most not all, but most Canadians happy...like anything to do with defense of North America, the US will need to do it on it's own...

[paxamericana]

Well if defense of the artic ever became an issue, I'm sure Canada could wring out some concession from the American. Probably less tarrif on your milk in exchange of US millitary access to some of your northern ports. 

[Nationalist]

On 4/29/2024 at 5:43 PM, Army Guy said:

Sorry my friend, Canada as a arctic nation has already proven it can not sustain for any long periods of time artic operations...US marines do more Arctic training than we do as a Arctic nation...This has everything to do with current governments, keeping our military in its current state is what makes most not all, but most Canadians happy...like anything to do with defense of North America, the US will need to do it on it's own...

Which they will happily do for access to the new global shipping lane.

Cha-Ching.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Pax Americana is in very deep trouble. To have any chance whatsoever against China and authoritarianism, America needs the rest of the West but Trump has decided he doesn’t want allies. In fact, he prefers the Chinese model of cowering satellites over a rules-based international order, largely created by his own country, where his power might be checked by small countries with right on their side. It’s an extraordinary act of self-immolation. 

Edited February 14 by SpankyMcFarland

[Videospirit]

Well, The United States could probably quit all of its alliances, go isolationist for a while, and than beg NATO to let it back in after China eats asia and it realizes it can't actually ignore China anymore, and it... probably wouldn't be too late to oppose China at that point.

But it's not a very great timeline, especially since it won't actually benefit the Americans to cut off the rest of the world economically.

[BeaverFever]

On 4/28/2023 at 2:16 AM, paxamericana said:

What the wider audience should take away however is that America doesn't need the rest of the world. Its quite the opposite.

Nonsense. America is a trading nation and it foisted globalization upon the world because its businesses grew too large to satisfy themselves with domestic markets and its wealth and insatiable appetite also means it needs to import goods and resources from around the world to feed domestic demand and production. 

 

 

On 4/28/2023 at 2:16 AM, paxamericana said:

You see, without american hegemony, the old school mercantilist/imperialist/colonial competition amongst european power that dominated the pre world war 2 era would arise.

There is this little thing now called the European Union. You should look it up. 

[Barquentine]

On 4/28/2023 at 3:16 AM, paxamericana said:

America doesn't need the rest of the world.

Maybe the most naive thing I've read on any of these forums.

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Maybe the most naive thing I've read on any of these forums.

You nailed it. 

They raised several generations of Americans who were fed jingoistic slogans instead of taught world history. 

And now you get comments like this. 

 

Does anyone realize that when these large international organizations were set up, the USA went out of their way to make sure they were at the middle of all of it? 

 

And now they're voluntarily going to give that up?

[herbie]

We don't need you Europe. We don't need you Asia. We don't need you Canada or Mexico. We don't need any of you.
All we need is our cuddly Trumpy Bear... wah wah blubber wah!

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

We don't need you Europe. We don't need you Asia. We don't need you Canada or Mexico. We don't need any of you.
All we need is our cuddly Trumpy Bear... wah wah blubber wah!

 

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Does anyone realize that when these large international organizations were set up, the USA went out of their way to make sure they were at the middle of all of it? 

 

And now they're voluntarily going to give that up?

Happily give it up too apparently. They're torching a level of influence they invested decades building, with both blood and treasure sometimes. Historians and economists will be kept busy for generations trying to quantify and tally up the cost of bad will being generated. They'll be suffering the consequences for decades.

 

[paxamericana]

The data is clear, Canadian wages are not able to rise but why is that?

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

The data is clear, Canadian wages are not able to rise but why is that?

But I already told you in plain English.

We have been bringing in inordinate number of immigrants. To put it in scale it would be like America bringing in over 10 million immigrants per year, and I'm talking lawful documented immigrants.

So the problem is that no matter how good your credentials as an immigrant you're not going to earn as much money as you would if you were Canadian born. There are a number of reasons for this and that's been studied and documented fairly thoroughly. Some people have it worse than others but no matter what the newcomers will always earn less than their counterparts who are Canadian born.

So that drags down the average wage. Let's say that you have two Canadians and they each earn $20 an hour.Obviously the average is $20 an hour.

Now add one immigrant but they only earn $10 an hour. The two natural born Canadians haven't changed their wage, they're still learning what they always have. But now the average wage is 16.67 an hour.

Most of the immigrants are working age adults. They are either students who work on the side or work in the summers or they are actual immigrants. There are only about 20 million working Canadians excluding highschoolers, the rest being retired or too young.  So every year that's 1 20th or 5 percent of the population growing who are lower wage earners. 

So wages aren't keeping up. 

There's another issue, and that's competativeness.  Up to 2015 we were toe to toe with the us in that regard but the trudeau years scared a lot of investment away and companies have not been putting the money into upgrades to make workers more competitive.  So we're slipping. Which means an hour of the average canadian's work produces less revenue than other nations and therefore there's not much room to pay them more. 

These are issues we'll have to address. Imagine you had biden for 10 years but he was even worse   That's what our economy looks like. 

[paxamericana]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So wages aren't keeping up. 

My prediction is that Canada will follow American pollitcs. You'll get your version of MAGA soon enough. 

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

My prediction is that Canada will follow American pollitcs. You'll get your version of MAGA soon enough. 

Well unfortunately we were about to but your version of mega shot our version of Mega in the head and caused our version of Biden to get elected because he thought that would be easier to negotiate with  If Canada ever screws you around and really FC you up, just remember that you had it coming  

It is quite possible that we will be able to recover from that, unfortunately what the left is very good at up here is pretending to steal the policies of the right to get elected, but then they have poor execution and kind of botch it up and things go downhill anyway. Which is why we're getting our asses kicked in the negotiations.

Frankly we're in trouble. As you point out our GDP per capita is dangerously low. That figured determines how much tax revenue is available for providing services and it's becoming Alarming unless we make cuts that would not normally be politically acceptable. We have inflation, on the surface it looks like we have low inflation if you take into account everything but because of the fact that we've had very high immigration the inflation has disproportionately hit food and lodging. I had to laugh the other day when Robo Smith was talking to someone who was thinking of moving to the states and he said boy I sure hope you can afford a million dollar home. A freaking shack up here it goes for a million dollars now, the average home price is more like three or four million. If someone owns a place they can afford to sell and buy two places in the states. The problem is not enough places in too many people

Productivity low in our taxes high and trump cutting taxes in the states it makes it hard for us to be competitive.

In the end we will get it sorted out but unfortunately probably not in time for at least one generation to have to go with a much lower standard of living than their parents had. They will spend a disproportionate amount of their time in their parents' basements because they can't afford to live on their own even if they're making good money. Their ability to save for the retirement will be severely hampered. And their services will probably become worse and worse.

It's unfortunate and it's kind of sad. People who are a little older of course are already in good shape so it doesn't hit them as hard but the kids are screwed. Best we can do is see if we can turn things around for their kids. But trump's little back stab made that even more challenging.

[paxamericana]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

the kids are screwed

My olive branch offer; statehood. 

[herbie]

Let's look at things objectively. 
Donald Trump alone has actually threatened Canada more in 6 months than the USSR did in 70 years.

We've actually fooled most Cdn conservatives into believing we're increasing defence funding to protect us from the Russians and Chinese.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, paxamericana said:

My olive branch offer; statehood. 

well I appreciate that you think that would be an improvement......

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, herbie said:

Let's look at things objectively. 
Donald Trump alone has actually threatened Canada more in 6 months than the USSR did in 70 years.

We've actually fooled most Cdn conservatives into believing we're increasing defence funding to protect us from the Russians and Chinese.

you realize that the us is currently supplying most of our equipment right? and that we just ordered a bunch of fighters from them?  

if you think that there's any way we can increase our spending enoughto put up an actual set-piece militaryeffort against the united states if they wanted to come across the borderyou are patently insane.

the best we could do would be endless guerrilla warfare where we sneak down across the lineand shoot up their people on a regular basis randomlywhile blowing up important infrastructure.

and if we didwant to put up a better fight against the americanswe would have already opened our own drone factory and development center.it's the only way we could fight back in any meaningful way.

instead we're looking at apcs,aircraft, ships and all of the other things that we will needto support europe.the best you can say is that we are no longer looking to be supportive of the us

and it was your side to insist it for years and years that there was no threat that we ever had to worry about so there's no point in spending money on the military

[paxamericana]

48 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

if you think that there's any way we can increase our spending enoughto put up an actual set-piece militaryeffort against the united states if they wanted to come across the borderyou are patently insane.

Now now, no need to get too excited. You’ll get your new driver license and taxes in the mail.

Don’t try, we’ll come for you. Herr @robosmith will be your new governor.

Edited Saturday at 10:06 PM by paxamericana