Government funds Catholic schools but not other religion's schools

[blackbird]

Catholic schools are funded in Ontario, Saskatchewan, Alberta and the three territories and likely in Quebec.  Protestant or non-Catholic religious schools are not funded in Ontario.

This seems contrary to the Constitution and Charter of Rights in that one religion is given preferential treatment while others are discriminated against.  This has a huge negative effect on many non-Catholics because the cost of sending kids to private schools is very high.  So middle or low income earners would not be able to afford it in many cases without government funding the schools.  Yet everyone must pay taxes to pay for education.

This all follows the same agenda we saw with the Pope's PR trip to Canada being covered to the tune of 35 million dollars.  As much as Trudeau and liberals put on the act of trying to treat all religions the same and equally, it is obvious they treat one religion more equally than others.  Why is that?  The reason is obvious.  Most of the Liberals are themselves Papists and are using the system to the benefit of their own religion at taxpayer's expense.

Edited April 12, 2023 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

As much as Trudeau and liberals put on the act of trying to treat all religions the same and equally, it is obvious they treat one religion more equally than others. 

You think funding of Catholic public schools in Ontario started with Trudeau?

Also:

Why is this in the federal section?  These schools, and their funding, is a provincial responsibility.   Or did you not know that?

Edited April 12, 2023 by TreeBeard

[ExFlyer]

Education is a provincial jurisdiction. There are public (non denominational as opposed to protestant) and catholic.

As far as I know, not all provinces fund catholic schools like public schools.

What is interesting is that public schools in many municipalities are now offering prayer rooms for muslims.

In Ontario, it is a constitutional thing.  https://rdo-olr.org/the-constitutional-catholic-schools-issue-in-ontario-how-the-province-of-ontario-could-remove-its-obligations-to-fully-fund-catholic-schools-by-way-of-a-constitutional-amendment/

Also, in Ontario, you no longer need to be catholic or have a catholic parent to go to a catholic school

[TreeBeard]

42 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Education is a provincial jurisdiction.

Not acceptable!  How can one blame Trudeau then???

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

You think funding of Catholic public schools in Ontario started with Trudeau?

Also:

Why is this in the federal section?  These schools, and their funding, is a provincial responsibility.   Or did you not know that?

No, it is a federal issue in the sense it is happening in many provinces.  As I said if you had read it, it happens in Ontario, Saskatchewan, Alberta, the three territories, and probably Quebec.  So it is multi provinces or federal.  The Constitutionality will probably have to be ruled on by the federal Supreme Court, although I doubt they will be fair.  The Supreme Court is likely mostly Papists and is largely appointed by Papists.  Also I said Canada funded the Pope's visit for 35 million dollars which is also a national scam.  So it is both a provincial issue and a federal or national issue.  

Of course it didn't start with Trudeau, but he certainly does not condemn it as he should or try to change things.  He has lots to say about everything else that is going on in provinces.  Trudeau also paid 35 million for the Pope's visit. 

Edited April 12, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

As far as I know too, education funding is primarily a provincial matter.

Yes it is.  Part of the problem it is happening in many provinces and the federal government paid 35 million dollars for the Pope's visit.  The funding of Catholic schools is all part of the same problem of the federal and provincial governments using taxpayer's money to fund the Roman church/religion in Canada.  It's happening at provincial levels and the federal level.  If you look at the countries where Romanism was the major religion, like Mexico, central and south America, Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, etc. you will notice they are more backward, more crime with the drug trade, mafia in Italy, cartels in Mexico, poorer in general, and not as advanced as Protestant countries such as the UK and America.  How much of the wealth of central and south America and other countries was sucked out of those countries and made the Vatican the richest corporation in the world.

 

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

Is it due to historical factors?

Yes, it was allowed to develop over history.  But those in power did nothing to stop it, probably because of politics.  Canada does not have true separation of church and state and true freedom of religion if it favours and funds one particular religion above all the rest.

Edited April 12, 2023 by blackbird

[herbie]

I usually mock the "right" for their 1953 views, but an 1870 Manitoba school issue in 2023?

Just more of your anti-Catholic snivelling again.

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

I usually mock the "right" for their 1953 views, but an 1870 Manitoba school issue in 2023?

Just more of your anti-Catholic snivelling again.

So you accuse anyone of being anti-Catholic who questions government taking money from everyone else's pocket for your Papal system.  Yes, I am opposed to the criminal corruption going on.  To bad you have no sense of morality.

Edited April 12, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

Making taxpayers pay for the Papal system just another thing that proves it is not a Christian system.  

"16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

    Matthew 7:16-20

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

From your reference -> do you consider Catholics, Christians? 

I speak about the system in general which has a history of anti-Christian behavior with around 1,700 years of persecution of "heretics", anyone who questioned it (bible believers), Jews, etc., and almost all teachings are unbiblical.   Hundreds of years of the Inquisition.   I don't speak about individuals because there may be some individuals who are genuine believers.  Only God knows.  The problem is the system does not teach the true gospel but is a false system.  One would think anyone who believes the true gospel in the Bible would come out of it and reject it. 

[Zeitgeist]

Be careful what you wish for.  At least we have one publicly funded religious education system that’s constitutionally protected.  The Anglicans gave theirs up in Canada.  Half the provinces have given up the Catholic system.  It backfired in Quebec, as the only means they now have to protect their culture is to police language and attempt to strip religious rights from Muslims.  Canada is Marxist-nihilist enough and getting worse.  I value an education that values virtues and the whole person.  Tory tried to get elected as premier in Ontario on the promise of funding all religious schools but he lost the election. 

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Catholic schools are funded in Ontario, Saskatchewan, Alberta and the three territories and likely in Quebec.  Protestant or non-Catholic religious schools are not funded in Ontario.

This seems contrary to the Constitution and Charter of Rights

Catholic education is protected BY the constitution. The old one. Which was never superseded by the new one.

[blackbird]

Just now, I am Groot said:

Catholic education is protected BY the constitution. The old one. Which was never superseded by the new one.

Are you sure funding Catholic schools by the government is protected by the Constitution or just the right to have Catholic schools?   That is blatant discrimination against other religions and schools.

There should be no system that funds only Catholic schools.  That should be changed.

Wonder how they justify funding the Pope's visit for 35 million dollars.

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Tory tried to get elected as premier in Ontario on the promise of funding all religious schools but he lost the election. 

Of course if the majority supports funding one religion and excluding all others, that's what the people get, a corrupt system.  That has not produced a better society but a corrupt society as we see.  Canada is not a better place for it.

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Are you sure funding Catholic schools by the government is protected by the Constitution or just the right to have Catholic schools?   That is blatant discrimination against other religions and schools.

There should be no system that funds only Catholic schools.  That should be changed.

Wonder how they justify funding the Pope's visit for 35 million dollars.

I'm no expert on the situation, but from my limited understanding, and without getting off my arse to look into it, the Catholic church funded all the schools in Canada until the late 1800s. They ran most, if not all of the hospitals as well. 

If the gov't is giving to the Catholic schools, it's more like giving back to them. 

Just my two bits. 

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Of course if the majority supports funding one religion and excluding all others, that's what the people get, a corrupt system.  That has not produced a better society but a corrupt society as we see.  Canada is not a better place for it.

Anglican and Catholic education have constitutional protection in Canada.  It’s in our DNA.  So much has been lost already.  If anything, we need a Restoration in Canada.  The Canada of a decade ago was better than the Canada of today.  

[blackbird]

Trudeau received his secondary education at a Jesuit-founded college,  Collège Jean-de-Brébeuf.  It interesting to note this college was founded by the Jesuits and is operated according to their philosophy and principles.

Their website says:

"

Collège Jean-de-Brébeuf was founded by the Jesuits in 1928. Continuing the pedagogical tradition they have cultivated, we dedicate ourselves:

the integral development of the person, especially intellectual capacities;

the acquisition of knowledge and judgment;

the promotion of humanistic values.

Collège Jean-de-Brébeuf is one of the best educational institutions in North America.

Securities

The pursuit of excellence

Passion for knowledge and truth

The acquisition of rigorous intellectual training

The sense of surpassing

The development of autonomy

Self-knowledge

The ability to think

A sense of responsibility

The culture of critical and independent thinking

The maturation of judgment

The meaning of human solidarity

Attention to others

The search for equity

Responsible citizenship and participation in the progress of society

The search for the universal

Recognition of human unity and diversity

Openness to the world

The spirit of tolerance."

Mission | Brébeuf (brebeuf.qc.ca)    

             Of course all these principles are under girded by the one basic principle that the Roman church is the only true church and every individual should be subject to it.  That goes without saying.

             It does not mention the Bible or Biblical truth once.  Entirely a humanist ideology.  Nothing Christian about it. Entirely worldly.

Edited April 12, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

If the gov't is giving to the Catholic schools, it's more like giving back to them. 

Sort of like the FNs.  We will pay and pay forever.   In the 1800s, the population of Canada was very small and the number of Catholic run hospitals would have been very small.  Today there are countless Catholic schools and paying for that would be very expensive.  I don't really see how the taxpayers today owe the Catholic church anything.  They are the richest corporation in the world worth billions.  Just my two cents worth.  If anything the Vatican owes Canada billions for the money that has been paid to FNs for the residential school fiasco the last few years or so.  Government has paid billions while the Vatican has paid what?  Anything?

Edited April 13, 2023 by blackbird

[Zeitgeist]

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Trudeau received his secondary education at a Jesuit-founded college,  Collège Jean-de-Brébeuf.  It interesting to note this college was founded by the Jesuits and is operated according to their philosophy and principles.

Their website says:

"

Collège Jean-de-Brébeuf was founded by the Jesuits in 1928. Continuing the pedagogical tradition they have cultivated, we dedicate ourselves:

the integral development of the person, especially intellectual capacities;

the acquisition of knowledge and judgment;

the promotion of humanistic values.

Collège Jean-de-Brébeuf is one of the best educational institutions in North America.

Securities

The pursuit of excellence

Passion for knowledge and truth

The acquisition of rigorous intellectual training

The sense of surpassing

The development of autonomy

Self-knowledge

The ability to think

A sense of responsibility

The culture of critical and independent thinking

The maturation of judgment

The meaning of human solidarity

Attention to others

The search for equity

Responsible citizenship and participation in the progress of society

The search for the universal

Recognition of human unity and diversity

Openness to the world

The spirit of tolerance."

Mission | Brébeuf (brebeuf.qc.ca)

             It does not mention the Bible or Biblical truth once.  Entirely a humanist ideology.  Nothing Christian about it. Entirely worldly.

Again though, Protestants had publicly funded religious education that was constitutionally protected, but they let the prayer and religious education be removed much as provinces like Quebec and Newfoundland scrapped Catholic education.  Sadly the French and Irish populations gave up important aspects of their cultures in those provinces.  Quebec has followed France’s secularism and now leans on bills that ban religious expression for all because they can’t handle the fact that Muslims aren’t willing to give up their religious expression as easily.  I prefer the situation in Ontario, though I do question how Catholic the Catholic system is given the heretical blanket gender affirmation in school boards.  Our country is run by Marxist activists in the “Human Rights” tribunals and DEI officers of major organizations.

Edited April 12, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

From your reference -> do you consider Catholics, Christians? 

Pretty clear answer is 'no'

[suds]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Education is a provincial jurisdiction. There are public (non denominational as opposed to protestant) and catholic.

As far as I know, not all provinces fund catholic schools like public schools.

What is interesting is that public schools in many municipalities are now offering prayer rooms for muslims.

In Ontario, it is a constitutional thing.  https://rdo-olr.org/the-constitutional-catholic-schools-issue-in-ontario-how-the-province-of-ontario-could-remove-its-obligations-to-fully-fund-catholic-schools-by-way-of-a-constitutional-amendment/

Also, in Ontario, you no longer need to be catholic or have a catholic parent to go to a catholic school

Thanks for the excellent  link.  Regardless of what the UN's Human Rights Committee thinks, why would any Ontario politician purposely commit political suicide by taking away someone's educational rights that they've had for the last 200 years? I would prefer giving all religious minorities the same rights, except past events have indicated that course of action is political suicide also. Things are what they are for mostly political reasons and are not likely to change anytime soon.

Edited April 13, 2023 by suds

[blackbird]

45 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Pretty clear answer is 'no'

Tell us how Romanism gives people eternal life.  Let's be honest here.  Do you really believe any religion can save a person or sincerity or good works?  Tell us what you believe instead of beating around the bush.

"5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. " 2 Timothy 3:5 KJV

The problem with false religion is it deceives people and gives them a false hope.  False religion closes people's minds to the truth taught in the Bible.

Edited April 13, 2023 by blackbird

[August1991]

In Canada, education is a provincial jurisdiction. So. provincial governments can do what they want.

We are still a federal State.

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Our BNA Act (passed as a law in the British parliament in 1867, amended by Thatcher because Trudeay Snr asked her) has some references to religion.  

Edited April 13, 2023 by August1991

[herbie]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

So you accuse anyone of being anti-Catholic who questions government taking money from everyone else's pocket for your Papal system.

No just you. "Papal system", "Romanism" pretty much gives your whole lean away. Try moving to N  Ireland to restart the 'troubles'

[August1991]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

Catholic schools are funded in Ontario, Saskatchewan, Alberta and the three territories and likely in Quebec.  Protestant or non-Catholic religious schools are not funded in Ontario.

This seems contrary to the Constitution and Charter of Rights...

On the contrary.

In a civilised federal State, each provincial government organizes education in its own local manner.