Is Leftism a kind of Religion?

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Funny video. The battle with Drake and the t-bagging part were hilarious. 

yeah, Ninja is 100% credible

I don't envy Drake at all

that is an utterly meaningless degenerate lifestyle

he has all this money, but he spends it on nothing of any real worth

Ninja meanwhile,  is too cool to hang out with total dorks like Kanye & Drake

Edited April 17, 2023 by Dougie93

[WestCanMan]

Not bad as a far as rap goes lol. 

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

...conservatives are small gov't and lie sparingly, and that's the main difference.

Perhaps, but here's the rub; as the self-proclaimed moral adults in the room conservatives carry a far greater ethical weight of duty to demonstrate their commitment to truth and decency.

When a conservative lies it's as if a priest has diddled a child. Yes, it's so shocking society suffers mass PTSD.

The HUGE difference is that conservatives should know better...as self proclaimed as they maintain they are in this regard.

[Americana Antifa]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah - posting a wikipedia page that doesn't actually address the issue doesn't make your argument.

The page explains pretty clearly where this theory comes from. Its an updated version of the "cultural bolshevism" conspiracy, with the references to Jews being slightly less obvious.

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You either call people a nazi directly or if you think it's going to be hard to sell that you call them a nazi indirectly by claiming they think exactly like  a nazi or that they've elected nazis.  Everyone's a nazi to you except your own tribe - the conservatives, men, whites, definitely the jews, any non-woke media or talk personality, virtualy everyone.

You're strawmanning because you can't argue against my point. The "cultural marxism" conspiracy is a nazi theory. Not everyone who repeats it is a nazi, but the theory itself is heavily based on one of the foundations of nazism.

[Americana Antifa]

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

“86.7% of the people who are dying of covid are vaxed,

Out of which population? And out of that population, how many people are vaccinated?

Percentages are relative.

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and deaths went up by 30% after the massive vaccination campaign.”

Source?

 

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

The page explains pretty clearly where this theory comes from. Its an updated version of the "cultural bolshevism" conspiracy, with the references to Jews being slightly less obvious.

You're strawmanning because you can't argue against my point. The "cultural marxism" conspiracy is a nazi theory. Not everyone who repeats it is a nazi, but the theory itself is heavily based on one of the foundations of nazism.

No it isn’t.  You’re committing the fallacy of over-generalization by saying, Nazis criticized Marxism, therefore criticism of Marxism is Nazism.  It’s like saying, Hitler was a vegan, therefore all vegans are Hitlers. Just because criticizing Marxism was an attribute of Nazism doesn’t mean that everyone who criticizes Marxism is a Nazi.  That’s basic logic. Don’t be stupid.  

Edited April 18, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

The page explains pretty clearly where this theory comes from. Its an updated version of the "cultural bolshevism" conspiracy, with the references to Jews being slightly less obvious.

Nope. Sorry - it's completely bunk and irrelevant.

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

You're strawmanning because you can't argue against my point. The "cultural marxism" conspiracy is a nazi theory.

Sorry punkin - all you're doing is taking everything that touches on communists or socailsim and branding it as 'cultural marxism' and trying to pass it off as nazi.

Nope.

Hey - did you know welfare was a nazi social practice? You support welfare rigth? Now... i'm not saying YOU'RE a nazi but,,,,,,''https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_Welfare

It's a dumb trick played by dumb people. It's just your way of calline people nazis.

if you're going to peddle that kind of stupidity then you really need to start hanging around with 8 year olds or younger who might believe that crap.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

No it isn’t.  You’re committing the fallacy of over-generalization by saying, Nazis criticized Marxism, therefore criticism of Marxism is Nazism.  It’s like saying, Hitler was a vegan, therefore all vegans are Hitlers

LOL - great minds it would seem... 

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - great minds it would seem... 

it explains why intelligent people are being shouted off campuses and speaking events.  We started affirming stupidity in the name of not offending anyone.  The problem is that good and bright people have lost their jobs and reputations as a result.  Cancel culture is a real threat, but the lunatics have been allowed to run the asylum and they’ve fired any opposition. 

Edited April 18, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Americana Antifa]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

No it isn’t.  You’re committing the fallacy of over-generalization by saying, Nazis criticized Marxism, therefore criticism of Marxism is Nazism.  It’s like saying, Hitler was a vegan, therefore all vegans are Hitlers. Just because criticizing Marxism was an attribute of Nazism doesn’t mean that everyone who criticizes Marxism is a Nazi.  That’s basic logic. Don’t be stupid.  

Criticizing marxism is fine. I criticize marxism too. But the cultural marxism conspiracy theory is a nazi theory. And you won't address that, because you know it.

[Americana Antifa]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nope. Sorry - it's completely bunk and irrelevant.

Sorry punkin - all you're doing is taking everything that touches on communists or socailsim and branding it as 'cultural marxism' and trying to pass it off as nazi.

Examples?

Let's see how you deflect from this. 

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Hey - did you know welfare was a nazi social practice? You support welfare rigth? Now... i'm not saying YOU'RE a nazi but,,,,,,''https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_Welfare

 

I also drink water. Did you know the nazis drank water? Seriously, google it.

[TreeBeard]

17 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Criticizing marxism is fine. I criticize marxism too. But the cultural marxism conspiracy theory is a nazi theory. And you won't address that, because you know it.

Not likely.  
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory
Although similarities with the Nazi propaganda term "Cultural Bolshevism" have been noted, the contemporary conspiracy theory originated in the United States during the 1990s.^[5][6][7]

[Americana Antifa]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Not likely.  
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory
Although similarities with the Nazi propaganda term "Cultural Bolshevism" have been noted, the contemporary conspiracy theory originated in the United States during the 1990s.^[5][6][7]

The article also says: Minnicino asserted there were two aspects of the Frankfurt School plan to destroy Western culture. Firstly, a cultural critique, by Theodor Adorno and Walter Benjamin, to use art and culture to promote alienation and replace Christianity with socialism. This included the development of opinion polling and advertising techniques to brainwash the populace and control political campaigning. Secondly, the plan supposedly included attacks on the traditional family structure by Herbert Marcuse and Erich Fromm to promote women's rights, sexual liberation, and polymorphous perversity to subvert patriarchal authority.^[5] Minnicino claimed the Frankfurt School was responsible for elements of the counterculture of the 1960s and a "psychedelic revolution", distributing hallucinogenic drugs to encourage sexual perversion and promiscuity.^[5]

Cultural Marxism is heavily based on Cultural Bolshevism. The only differences are the setting, the time period, and the references to Jews are less obvious. But in both conspiracies, there's a shadowy cabal of Marxists (Jews) from the Frankfurt School that have infiltrated the media and academia in order to subvert society by promoting gender non-conformity. And supposedly this will lead to the Jews/Marxists taking over.

 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Criticizing marxism is fine. I criticize marxism too. But the cultural marxism conspiracy theory is a nazi theory. And you won't address that, because you know it.

No I think you’re talking out of your ass.  It’s got nothing to do with Jews and it’s not a conspiracy theory.  You need to learn about critical theory, post-modernism, and feminism in order to understand what’s being called out as “Cultural Marxism” in the sense described in cultural commentary.  It’s really just a rebranding of Marxism, which reduces everyone and everything to a material commodity in a class struggle.  Radical feminists such as the Redstockings, for example, believed that the state should take over reproduction to break patriarchal oppression and liberate women.  It involves belief in the supremacy of the state in all affairs and the elimination of the family unit.  Liberate people from family and nature through technology such as birth control and test tube reproduction.  End the domination of the owners of production by having the state take over private business and have a vanguard of the Proletariat manage production in a technocracy that allocates resources based on analysis of data collected by the state.

Read theorists like Derrida who wrote about how uncertainty/sophistry is a condition of language because there’s no transcendental signified, no “Truth”, etc   As Foucault said, knowledge is power and the dominant narratives of our culture illustrate how language is used to assert dominance.

If you think about Post-Modern terms like Late Capitalism, we already have a society that socially engineers behaviour to meet state goals in many areas, from public health to distribution of capital (earnings/profits) based on metrics established by the state.  Even private companies are backstopped by the central banks which are always working in close collaboration with international policy bodies like the IMF, Bank of Settlements, World Economic Forum, etc.  Behind the scenes of elected governments is a great deal of unaccountable central planning.  It looks in some ways like socialism but it has fairly unaccountable elites centrally deciding much of what goes on in modern developed countries.  There’s nothing conspiratorial about it.  This is basic Noam Chomsky.  The elites could be called a Vanguard of the Proletariat, but as in communist countries, they always protect themselves and enjoy more capital than anyone else.

The criticism of cultural/social traits such as Cultural Marxism and Nihilism is that when everyone is simply an input in the production of capital, without souls and under total control of the state, individuals have no recourse to a higher authority than government.  They don’t matter as individuals because they only matter for what they contribute to the “society” at large.  Families are inconvenient to the state because they carry authority.  Religious belief is also considered a threat to the state.

Marxism and socialism (its euphemistic twin) are unrealistic and destructive because they pretend that human nature doesn’t exist and inevitably lead to worse forms of unaccountable top-down oppression.  The Soviet Union had a beautiful sounding constitution but the rights were always watered down in the name of centrally planned goals like Stalin’s Five Year Plan.  They always lead to the gulag and a “cultural revolution” that destroys what people have created and built using accumulated knowledge and wisdom.  They also destroy incentive and creativity.

It’s arguable that we’re in a form of cultural revolution now as free speech and meritocracy are thrown out in the name of identity politics goals.  That’s why people are up in arms about ideas like Critical Race Theory, because it’s just a rehash of Marxism where a designated identity group are the oppressed workers.  It’s very convincingly argued that it’s just another iteration of Marxism, because its founder Derek Bell was a Marxist and it uses the language of class struggle, replacing class with race.  Many thinkers were Marxist half a century ago.  

The ignoring of science is another aspect of cultural Marxism, as is the erosion of religious rights.

As much as I think we have to be wary of Marxism, I think fascism is a real concern, but it’s not what you seem to think it is.  Fascism is totalitarian control by the partnership of business and the state.  Think of ESG and UN “sustainability goals” and how big business uses this rhetoric to dominate workers and sell goods with the blessing of governments.

You have to be wary of all forms of oppression from all political stripes. Unexpectedly, the traditionally liberal parties are purveying a lot of this fascistic behaviour.  That’s partly why the system is so consolidated.  It uses flowery progressive language.  

Edited April 18, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Examples?

This current one should do nicely. Or pretty much every other time you have used that. I especially loved 'Jordan peterson isn't necessarily a nazi but he uses nazi propaganda".

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Let's see how you deflect from this. 

LOL - as i have often said, deflect is one of those words you use when you feel you're entirely losing the discussion Delfect, "get back here with those goalposts', and a few others   When it gets REALLY bad you post pictures

Here's a hint kiddo - that's not the proper use of the word, it wouldn't fit this instance

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

I also drink water. Did you know the nazis drank water? Seriously, google it.

Exactly. Which is precisely what your entire argument is for the 'nazi theory' idea you've been desperately foisting.

And I LOVE that NOW you pretend you understand it's foolish

Nazis didn't like commies - now YOU don't like commies - ergo you must be using nazi propaganda.

This is one  of the first logical fallacies people learn in school -  All cats have four legs, my dog has four legs, therefore my dog is a cat. Yet you expect us to buy it. And clearly nobody does.

I'd tell you to get back under your bridge for being a troll, but if you're going to be THIS childish perhaps back under the see saw on the playground would be more appropriate

[Americana Antifa]

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This current one should do nicely. Or pretty much every other time you have used that. I especially loved 'Jordan peterson isn't necessarily a nazi but he uses nazi propaganda".

So your actual claim, which you're trying to deflect from, was: "all you're doing is taking everything that touches on communists or socailsim and branding it as 'cultural marxism' and trying to pass it off as nazi."

Jordan Peterson doesn't simply talk about communism and socialism. He talks about "cultural marxism." 

 

Now I'm willing to give Peterson the benefit of the doubt that he's not a nazi because he doesn't know what he's saying because his brain is soup. But the fact remains that he is promoting nazism when he promotes the central idea of nazism.

 

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - as i have often said, deflect is one of those words you use when you feel you're entirely losing the discussion Delfect, "get back here with those goalposts', and a few others   When it gets REALLY bad you

We both know that's not true. You just don't like when I call you out for deflecting or moving the goalposts. That and whataboutisms are pretty much all modern fascists have now. The modern Right has given up on making coherent arguments.

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

post pictures

Here's a hint kiddo - that's not the proper use of the word, it wouldn't fit this instance

Exactly. Which is precisely what your entire argument is for the 'nazi theory' idea you've been desperately foisting.

And I LOVE that NOW you pretend you understand it's foolish

Nazis didn't like commies - now YOU don't like commies - ergo you must be using nazi propaganda.

I never said I didn't like commies. I just disagree with communism. I do drink water, though, which the original nazis definitely did.

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This is one  of the first logical fallacies people learn in school -  All cats have four legs, my dog has four legs, therefore my dog is a cat. Yet you expect us to buy it. And clearly nobody does.

I'd tell you to get back under your bridge for being a troll, but if you're going to be THIS childish perhaps back under the see saw on the playground would be more appropriate

You posted six smilies in this post. Are you crying? I have this image of you like twisting your face to try to smile as you're getting angrier and angrier.

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

No I think you’re talking out of your ass.  It’s got nothing to do with Jews and it’s not a conspiracy theory.

Do you believe that marxists have infiltrated the media and universities? Do you think they're promoting gender non-conformity, such as feminism, homosexuality, and trans identity? Do you think the marxists are also promoting Atheism?

Try not to be an hysterical snowflake like every other conservative and actually answer the questions.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

So your actual claim, which you're trying to deflect from, was: "all you're doing is taking everything that touches on communists or socailsim and branding it as 'cultural marxism' and trying to pass it off as nazi."

Jordan Peterson doesn't simply talk about communism and socialism. He talks about "cultural marxism." 

 

Now I'm willing to give Peterson the benefit of the doubt that he's not a nazi because he doesn't know what he's saying because his brain is soup. But the fact remains that he is promoting nazism when he promotes the central idea of nazism.

 

We both know that's not true. You just don't like when I call you out for deflecting or moving the goalposts. That and whataboutisms are pretty much all modern fascists have now. The modern Right has given up on making coherent arguments.

I never said I didn't like commies. I just disagree with communism. I do drink water, though, which the original nazis definitely did.

You posted six smilies in this post. Are you crying? I have this image of you like twisting your face to try to smile as you're getting angrier and angrier.

Cultural Marxism is not the central idea of Nazism.  Get real.  They did talk about Bolshevism a lot because the Russian Revolution was a major cultural force in Weimar Germany.  Germany almost became communist, like many Western European countries.  You’re trying to make mainstream right commentators out to be monsters for using terms that you claim are Nazi, but it’s such a shallow and fallacious argument that no reasonable person can take seriously.  It doesn’t surprise me though.  There’s definitely a push in western culture today to see white supremacy everywhere.  Sorry to disappoint you, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.  

[Zeitgeist]

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Do you believe that marxists have infiltrated the media and universities? Do you think they're promoting gender non-conformity, such as feminism, homosexuality, and trans identity? Do you think the marxists are also promoting Atheism?

Try not to be an hysterical snowflake like every other conservative and actually answer the questions.

You think that these descriptions are Nazi, but the ideas are self-proclaimed by the leaders within the movements themselves.  That’s where you miss the boat.  The Redstockings said about their beliefs what I just summarized.  You seem to want to pretend that reality is something other than what it is, which explains your anti-scientific beliefs in transgenderism.  I see a pretty complete picture actually.  You don’t like facts like biology because they disagree with the revolutionary world you want to inhabit.  You’re definitely a phenomenon of the times.

 

Edited April 18, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Americana Antifa]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Cultural Marxism is not the central idea of Nazism.  Get real.  They did talk about Bolshevism a lot because the Russian Revolution was a major cultural force in Weimar Germany.  Germany almost became communist, like many Western European countries.  

The cornerstones of the original nazism were the cultural bolshevism conspiracy theory, Lebensraum, Pan-Germanism, and Nordicism.

Today's nazis aren't really concerned with the three latter things. Imperialism has fallen out of favor, Austria is happily its own country, and the existence of the Nordic race has been debunked by modern science, plus most modern nazis wouldn't qualify as Nordic.

However, cultural bolshevism has been rebranded as "cultural marxism." And like the original nazis, today's neo-nazis construct all of their political stances around this doctrine.

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You’re trying to make mainstream right commentators out to be monsters for using terms that you claim are Nazi, but it’s such a shallow and fallacious argument that no reasonable person can take seriously.  It doesn’t surprise me though.  There’s definitely a push in western culture today to see white supremacy everywhere.  Sorry to disappoint you, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.  

I didn't say anything about white supremacy. And it's not my fault that so much of modern conservatism is based on a nazi theory. It's not just that they use the term, it's that they use the theory.

Edited April 18, 2023 by Americana Antifa

[Americana Antifa]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You think that these descriptions are Nazi, but the ideas are self-proclaimed by the leaders within the movements themselves.

So that's a yes to all the question you were too much of a poos to answer. Why are conservatives such cowards?

Where did this movement of marxism come from? Was it the Frankfurt School?

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You seem to want to pretend that reality is something other than what it is, which explains your anti-scientific beliefs in transgenderism.  I see a pretty complete picture actually.  You don’t like facts like biology because they disagree with the revolutionary world you want to inhabit.  You’re definitely a phenomenon of the times.  

I already explained the difference between gender and sex. You're just pretending you don't understand because fascists don't care about reality.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

The cornerstones of the original nazism were the cultural bolshevism conspiracy theory, Lebensraum, Pan-Germanism, and Nordicism.

Today's nazis aren't really concerned with the three latter things. Imperialism has fallen out of favor, Austria is happily its own country, and the existence of the Nordic race has been debunked by modern science.

However, cultural bolshevism has been rebranded as "cultural marxism." And like the original nazis, today's neo-nazis construct all of their political stances around this doctrine.

I didn't say anything about white supremacy. And it's not my fault that so much of modern conservatism is based on a nazi theory. It's not just that they use the term, it's that they use the theory.

What an uninformed stretch.

Also, I don’t think Marxists are promoting atheism, silly.  Marxists are atheists.  Have you read any Marx?   Yeesh.  “Religion is the opiate of the masses.” Marx

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

So that's a yes to all the question you were too much of a poos to answer. Why are conservatives such cowards?

Where did this movement of marxism come from? Was it the Frankfurt School?

I already explained the difference between gender and sex. You're just pretending you don't understand because fascists don't care about reality.

Oh really, you don’t even know the timeline for these writers.  Marx came well before the Frankfurt School.  Unfortunately I can’t give you more time because you simply have too much to learn.  It’s okay.  Keep reading.  

[Americana Antifa]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

What an uninformed stretch.

Also, I don’t think Marxists are promoting atheism, silly.  Marxists are atheists.  Have you read any Marx?   Yeesh.  “Religion is the opiate of the masses.” Marx

Deflection. The question was if the marxist who supposedly run the media and academia are promoting Atheism.

[Americana Antifa]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Oh really, you don’t even know the timeline for these writers.  Marx came well before the Frankfurt School.  Unfortunately I can’t give you more time because you simply have too much to learn.  It’s okay.  Keep reading.  

Another deflection. I must say, for someone who is opposed to feminism, you act like your view of a woman.

The marxists who supposedly run our media and universities, where did they come from? Were they from the Frankfurt School?