Is Leftism a kind of Religion?

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the left right spectrum is secularism on the left, religion on the right

Not at all.

I don't have a single memory of believing in God or Santa Claus, nor of believing in leftist politicians.

Leftists are big gov't and only ever tell lies, conservatives are small gov't and lie sparingly, and that's the main difference. 

As far as I'm concerned Bill Clinton was the only useful leftist President or PM in my lifetime. 

I would pour water on Biden, Obama or Trudeau if they were on fire, but my support ends right there. 

Edited April 17, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Not at all.

I don't have a single memory of believing in God or Santa Claus, nor of believing in leftist politicians.

Leftists are big gov't and only ever tell lies, conservatives are small gov't and lie sparingly, and that's the main difference. 

As far as I'm concerned Bill Clinton was the only useful leftist President or PM in my lifetime. 

I would pour water on Biden, Obama or Trudeau if they were on fire, but my support ends right there. 

I'm talking about the origin of left & right, in the French Revolution

to the left in the National Assembly were the revolutionaries, to the right was the monarchy & church

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Second, socialism allows soft budgets, so there is no mechanism in place to discard inefficient production methods.

That's why we are paying incredible amounts of money for a public health care system.  It is inefficient and failing badly in many ways.  A bureaucracy that is there to protect the skin of the people running it first, the public last.  Then the powerful unions that put themselves first and are untouchables because they are backed by politicians who are out of control.  Unions and politicians that scratch each other's backs.

Edited April 17, 2023 by blackbird

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

As far as I'm concerned Bill Clinton was the only useful leftist President or PM in my lifetime.

Bill Clinton ran as two totally different Presidents

in the first term he ran as a left wing Democrat

but to win the second term, he flipped and became a de facto Republican 

Bill Clinton's chief strategist coined it "the Pivot"

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

A bureaucracy that is there to protect the skin of the people running it first, the public last.

Very true Humphrey

[CdnFox]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Bill Clinton ran as two totally different Presidents

in the first term he ran as a left wing Democrat

but to win the second term, he flipped and became a de facto Republican 

Bill Clinton's chief strategist coined it "the Pivot"

With respect to this specific issue I think he also realized during his first term that the horror he had given birth to with the subprime market where even LOOKING for a job was good enough to get a mortgage could only end one way and he tried to dial it back. But - dems had the bit in their teeth, it was very popular, they didn't think these days of milk and honey would ever end.

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm talking about the origin of left & right, in the French Revolution

to the left in the National Assembly were the revolutionaries, to the right was the monarchy & church

1) I don't even think of France's democracy when I think of ours, as we're based on the British system

2) I don't think of politics as a measure of how religious we should be, it's always about how much we should spend spend spend.

Be human = conservative. Be a patsy = liberal. 

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

As far as I'm concerned Bill Clinton was the only useful leftist President or PM in my lifetime.

I became politically aware round about 1979-80

my political heroes were Ronald Reagan & Margaret Thatcher

thus I am a Reagan Democrat, otherwise known as a Neoconservative

Neoconservative has gotten a bad rap because of George W. Bush

but W was not actually a Neoconservative

Neoconservatives invade Grenada, not Iraq

the only Neoconservative in the Bush Administration was Coin Powell

 

[Dougie93]

44 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

or Trudeau if they were on fire, but my support ends right there. 

well you were right about Trudeau

you said he was a Fascist, and I disagreed

but you called it

this is not even the Liberal party anymore, this is just corporate fascists in Woke sheep's clothing

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well you were right about Trudeau

you said he was a Fascist, and I disagreed

but you called it

this is not even the Liberal party anymore, this is just corporate fascists in Woke sheep's clothing

I don't even know if it's reasonable for me to hold out hope that he will lose the next election.

I feel like this is a horror movie where the bad guy keeps popping up alive. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't even know if it's reasonable for me to hold out hope that he will lose the next election.

I feel like this is a horror movie where the bad guy keeps popping up alive. 

I'm not betting against him, at least not with real money

the CBC & Co are just going to run on :  "PP is Trump !!!"

Canadian Trump Derangement Syndrome will then do the rest

Trudeau could easily surpass his father as the longest serving tyrant, er I mean Prime Minister

I remember when Joe Clark beat PET over "wage & price controls"

then six months later Joe Clark was going to adopt "wage & price controls'

then all of a sudden Joe Clark was "The Turkey"

and PET was back

"well welcome to the 1980's" ~ PET

the Trudeau's are Teflon in Canada, they are the Canadian royal family

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2677422713

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't even know if it's reasonable for me to hold out hope that he will lose the next election.

I feel like this is a horror movie where the bad guy keeps popping up alive. 

Heh

Well in fairness for elected pm's canada has a long standing tradition of giving them 2 full terms worth of time, and that's about 8-10 years. Which is right where justin will be at the next election. He MIGHT win again - it's possilbe - but its pretty unlikely.

The real question is will it be a majority or a minority.

[WestCanMan]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Heh

Well in fairness for elected pm's canada has a long standing tradition of giving them 2 full terms worth of time, and that's about 8-10 years. Which is right where justin will be at the next election. He MIGHT win again - it's possilbe - but its pretty unlikely.

The real question is will it be a majority or a minority.

Even with a minority gov't he still seems like he can just do whatever he wants. 

I'm worried that voters might leave the NDP because they feel like the Singh NDP is only an extension of the LPOC, and just cast their vote directly with the Libs. 

[Dougie93]

32 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I feel like this is a horror movie where the bad guy keeps popping up alive. 

I could see a Joe Clark - PET scenario happen all over again

PP barely gets over the line with a minority, Harper 2.0

Trudeau doesn't resign, he sticks around in opposition

PP can't actually can't just wave a wand and fix the deeply entrenched inflationary debt crisis

Trudeau gets reelected when the PP honeymoon is actually a bust

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm worried that voters might leave the NDP because they feel like the Singh NDP is only an extension of the LPOC, and just cast their vote directly with the Libs. 

indeed

being Trudeau's cronies makes the NDP irrelevant

the Liberals have outflanked them, stolen all their policies

who needs the NDP when these Liberals will give you anything the NDP might promise ?

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Even with a minority gov't he still seems like he can just do whatever he wants. 

It's not a minority tho - it's a pimp majority   The ndp sold their independence to the libs and now it's more like a 'minority wif bitcches" where it's not a minority at all.

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm worried that voters might leave the NDP because they feel like the Singh NDP is only an extension of the LPOC, and just cast their vote directly with the Libs. 

That certainly will be the lib angle to draw them.. Amazingly - right now the ndp is bleeding to the cpc. But the libs will pull their often  used and often successful ploy of "please ndp, you must join forces and vote with us to stop the terror of the evil conservative nazi's!!!!!!"

And that may work. Traditionally when we see these deals the jr partner in the deal suffers greatly next election.

However - sometimes when that happens it pushes the blue liberals into the camp of the tories. And there's strong indications that may happen here. People are worried about the deficit, they're worried about inflation and interest rates, they're worried about ever buying a home  Those are all CPC bread and butter issues and also ones that trudeau has a bad track record for.

Generally politicians are great campaigners OR they are great leaders. Rarely do they excel at both. Harper for example was a terrible campaigner. Obama - gerat campaigner but very mediocre leader.

I think PP is going to be one of those very very very rare ones where he does well at both. I think he's going to run a very solid campaign and really wow people and probably take a majority, and i think he'll do better than most as a leader. (tho trudeau is setting that bar pretty low).

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I could see a Joe Clark - PET scenario happen all over again

PP barely gets over the line with a minority, Harper 2.0

Trudeau doesn't resign, he sticks around in opposition

PP can't actually can't just wave a wand and fix the deeply entrenched inflationary debt crisis

Trudeau gets reelected when the PP honeymoon is actually a bust

Thanks.

Like I didn't already have enough nightmare scenarios already floating around in my head lol

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

indeed

being Trudeau's cronies makes the NDP irrelevant

the Liberals have outflanked them, stolen all their policies

who needs the NDP when these Liberals will give you anything the NDP might promise ?

The Libs are like English Ivy, creeping around them, strangling them out of existence. I gotta admit, it's kinda brilliant. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Thanks.

Like I didn't already have enough nightmare scenarios already floating around in my head lol

thing is, I remember being happy that PET was back

had nothing to do with politics

he was just larger than life, Canadian Caesar, the greatest Canadian celebrity of all time

I was young, impressionable, PET was the biggest star we had

only Aubrey Graham has surpassed him

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's not a minority tho - it's a pimp majority   The ndp sold their independence to the libs and now it's more like a 'minority wif bitcches" where it's not a minority at all.

Too funny.

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I think PP is going to be one of those very very very rare ones where he does well at both. I think he's going to run a very solid campaign and really wow people and probably take a majority, and i think he'll do better than most as a leader. (tho trudeau is setting that bar pretty low).

I was hoping for PP to lead us into the last election. I love that he can stick to his guns and fire back when he's presented with minefield questions from the MSM, instead of giving wishy-washy lib answer or going on his back foot. I preferred O'Toole over Trudeau but he wasn't the kind of leader I would have hoped for.

Brad Wall would be a good candidate too imo.  

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 

I tried to like Drake, him being Canadian and all... yuck.

I guess I'd be the worst music industry exec ever, because I would have told him to drive a truck or something. 

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I tried to like Drake, him being Canadian and all... yuck.

I guess I'd be the worst music industry exec ever, because I would have told him to drive a truck or something. 

I met him once

I have an army buddy from Toronto, a medic, who has movie star good looks and charm

so he was dating an actress who was on Degrassi

so I got invited to a VIP party and Drake was there

he wasn't famous yet, I didn't know who he was, I didn't watch Degrassi

I do remember that he had all the girls eating out of his palm

I was raised in the 6ix, so I like Toronto Hip Hop

 but Drake went to Forest Hill Collegiate in the Jewish neighbourhood

while I grew up on the Downtown Eastside, River & Gerrard

so I'm more gangster than Drake, he was a pampered rich boy compared to me

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but Drake went to Forest Hill Collegiate in the Jewish neighbourhood

?

Buh-bye street cred...

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while I grew up on the Downtown Eastside, River & Gerrard

so I'm more gangster than Drake, he was a pampered rich boy compared to me

Now I gotta sift through his lyrics to look for the victim status whining. 

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

?

Buh-bye street cred...

Now I gotta sift through his lyrics to look for the victim status whining. 

this is the funniest take on Drake, and Kanye too

this is my favourite rapper actually

Ninja,  of Die Antwoord, from South Africa

[WestCanMan]

31 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

this is the funniest take on Drake, and Kanye too

this is my favourite rapper actually

Ninja,  of Die Antwoord, from South Africa

Funny video. The battle with Drake and the t-bagging part were hilarious.